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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by markellion: [qb] This gets all the more interesting. So from the above Cooley claimed that the Morabites absorbed the Ghanah empire but the Morabites were too backwards to have any effect on them... But later look what happens: "Veiled People" bellow is a translation of Morabites. "Medieval West Africa: Views From Arab Scholars and Merchants" [URL=http://www.amazon.com/Medieval-West-Africa-Scholars-Merchants/dp/155876304X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241409685&sr=8-1]Amazon.com[/URL] [QUOTE] Page 40 quote from Yaqut 13th century [b] The king of Zafun is stronger than the veiled people of the Maghreb and more versed in the art of kingship. The veiled people acknowledge his superiority over them, obey him and resort to him in all important matters of government. One year the king, on his way to the pilgrimage, came to the Maghreb to pay a visit to the commander of the Muslims, the veiled king of the Maghreb, of the tribe of Lamtuna. The Commander of the Muslims met him on foot, wheras the king of Zafun did not dismount for him. He was tall, of deep black complexion and veiled[/b] page 45 From Ibn Sa'id 13th century [b] In the same latitude is Zafun, which belongs to pagan Sudan and whose ruler enjoys a good reputation among (other) kings of the Sudan[/b] [/QUOTE]page 98 by Ibn Khaldun is talking about how Takedda and other cities were subject to the ruler of Mali of the "Sudan" [QUOTE] In the year 1353, in the days of sultan Abul 'Inan [of Morocco], I went to Biskara on royal business and there encountered the ambassador of the ruler of Takedda at the residence of Yusof al-Muzani, emir of Biskara. He told me about the prosperous state of this city and the continual passage of wayfares and said: "This year there passed through out city on the way to Mali a caravan of merchants from the east containing 12,000 camels." Another [informant] has told me that this is a yearly even. [b]his country is subject to the sultan of Mali of the Sudan as is the case at present with the rest of the desert regions known as [the land of] the veiled people[/b][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]Markellion, can please stop posting the same quotes from the same books over and over and over again? I mean you seem to use these same few quotes as the basis of almost all your arguments lately. Why not go buy the whole books and other books on Ancient West Africa. There are tons more than that that talk about the extent and power of black Africans at the time. But yes, there is much debate over whether the Almoravids actually conquered Ghana at all. The fact is that the wars between various African groups were more than simply wars between Northerners and Southerners. That in itself is an oversimplification and example of racial bias. And as posted elsewhere: http://www.archive.org/details/upenn-f16-0707_Black_Majesty http://www.archive.org/details/upenn-f16-0051_1951_1_French_Morocco http://www.archive.org/details/upenn-f16-0052_1951_2_French_Morocco http://www.archive.org/details/upenn-f16-0053_1951_3_French_Morocco http://www.archive.org/details/upenn-f16-0054_1951_4_French_Morocco http://www.archive.org/details/upenn-f16-0055_1951_5_French_Morocco [/QB][/QUOTE]
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