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[QUOTE]Originally posted by markellion: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] The fact is that the wars between various African groups were more than simply wars between Northerners and Southerners. That in itself is an oversimplification and example of racial bias. [/qb][/QUOTE]But there is something astounding here because there is almost an astounding lack of bias from the "northerners" and there are many more accounts of their extreme honesty but allot of other literature has been distorted This is also significant keep in mind the extreme ignorance of people about the geography of most of Africa, that combined with how extraordinarily well informed these Africans were of places outside of Africa and seemed very concerned about what was going on in the world. This almost screams conspiracy "Trans-Saharan Trade and the West African Discovery of the Mediterranean World" by Pekka Masonen http://www.smi.uib.no/paj/Masonen.html [QUOTE] The situation was perhaps similar to that in the early 19th century, when European explorers, who had penetrated the African interior in order to unveil her secrets, [b]were amazed at how well the West Africans knew what was going on in the outside world. When Mungo Park arrived in Segu on the Niger in July 1796, being the first European in this city, he was told that the British and French were fighting in the Mediterranean. The news probably concerned the battles that took place after the treaty of Basle which was made in April 1795, when Park was in his way to Gambia. In 1824, Hugh Clapperton visited Kano, being again the first European in this city, and he was surprised by Muhammad Bello, the ruler of Sokoto caliphate, who asked him detailed questions concerning the British policy in India and the religious situation in Europe. In early 1871, Gustav Nachtigal, the famous German traveller who had left Tripoli in 1869 in order to explore Central Africa, was told in Bornu that a war had broke out between franse and nimse, meaning Frenchmen and Germans. Considering that the Franco-Prussian war began in July 1870, the news had reached Bornu very quickly.[/b] Perhaps news of the great events in the medieval Mediterranean, like the fall of Acre in 1291 or the Turkish conquest of Constantinople in 1453, were heard in the capital of Mali as quickly. However, there are only few mentions in the contemporary Arabic sources concerning the transmission of news across the Sahara. [b]We know, for example, that Mansa Musa of Mali sent a delagation to congratulate the Marinid Sultan Abu 'l-Hasan for the conquest of Tlemcen. Since Tlemcen had fallen to Marinids in April 1337, the news most probably arrived in Mali with the traders who had left Morocco in autumn, which was the usual season of departure for the caravans to the south. The Malian delegation was sent to Fez probably in the following summer, when the caravans returned to the north. Similarly, another Malian delegation was sent to congratulate Sultan Abu 'l-Hasan for the conquest of Constantine in 1349. The prompt action on part of the Malian rulers proves that they knew well the political geography of Northern Africa, being fully aware of the consequenses of the Marinid expansion to central Maghrib....[/b] Similarly, it was another channel for West Africans to the outside world: [b]in 1594 a Portuguese navigator reported that he had in Senegal met many blacks who were not only capable of speaking French but have even visited France.[/b] In was only during the age of imperialism that the encounter of West Africans with other civilisations turned definitely from controlled relationship to collision.[/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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