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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Fourty2Tribes: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Elmaestro: [qb] ^ Lol You guys were at least 2 thousand years short. If you don’t get it, the point is that there probably was Eurasian ancestry post dating these samples. But [b]autosomally[/b] we might be seeing ancestry falsely attributed to non Africans for the first time. What were the coalesced dates for the most frequent non african haplogroup in the lemba? [/qb][/QUOTE] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba_people [QUOTE] The Lemba T carriers belonged exclusively to T1b, which is rare and was not sampled in indigenous Jews of the Near East or North Africa. T1b has been observed at low frequencies in Ashkenazi Jews as well as in a few Levantine populations.[44] [/QUOTE]T1b [IMG]https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/T-tree.png[/IMG] Don't know when the coalescence age was. Good question. [/qb][/QUOTE]the above reference [44], posted below [QUOTE] [44]F.L. Mendez et al., "Increased Resolution of Y Chromosome Haplogroup T Defines Relationships among Populations of the Near East, Europe, and Africa", BioOne Human Biology 83(1):39–53, (2011) However, Jewish and Lemba T chromosomes tend to fall into different subclades (T1a and T1b, respectively), [IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/96/de/WnEpjnxA_o.png[/IMG] [/QUOTE]First column is T to the right the subclades of T Note the Lemba clade T- l131* is 17%+ in Lemba but doesn't correspond many types of Jews carrying T clade. (Iranian Jews highest about 22% of T1a not T1b) [QUOTE] and STR data show that [b]the closest relationship of Lemba T chromosomes is with a Turk (Figure 2).[/b] Of course, it is possible that Y chromosomal lineages that became prevalent in Lemba went extinct in current Jewish populations, or are at low frequency and have not been sampled. [/QUOTE]Turks began immigrating to South Africa during the 19th century. In 1889, the Ottoman Turks sent and maintained Honorary Consulates in Johannesburg and Durban. As per the T haplogroup The Lemba correspond to very low percentages in other non-Jewish groups, os percentages less than one percent and not to Ashkenazi either -However as we see in this chart Sephardic Jews from Bulgaria who are recorded 4.8% of that same clade L131* that the Lemba have (17.6%) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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