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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Elmaestro: [QB] [b]@Beyoku[/b] Nevgen (web browser) attempts to assign some of them to V88 with lower confidence than general R1b. The desktop/batch version ofcourse, is inferior. Here's is [URL=https://pastebin.com/6uuUsEcB]all 154 unique STR calls per population for that study in the correct FTDNA order.[/URL] Anyone can go to town and copy and paste these. [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Mansamusa[/b]: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Elmaestro: Nothing is being thrown away... which is exactly the problem. [...] Based on your comments I'm guessing you, like me, viewed [b]major[/b] Levantine ancestry as more recent to the Nile valley (in relation to the formation of Kmt). My recurrent stance on the matter was that indigenous (North) African ancestry gradually became more and more obfuscated and hard to detect in more modern humans due to being absorbed by Non-Africans... And also due to us not having good representative samples of Ancient Africans. I believed that Ancient north Africa was on a West-East cline of related (ANA) ancestry, And this ancestry in it's pure form is "extinct," [b]but would look like non-African(SSA) components when observed in extant populations.[/b] As a result when we see Nubians scoring ~50% Jordanian_EBA I can hypothesize, that the bulk of that Ancestry is actually indigenous African DNA. Right now I've arrived at a fork. [b]If a born commoner from upper Egypt happened to carry a Levantine marker by the 18th dynasty, I feel its safe for someone regardless of their biases to inquire about it's commonplace. If thuya's Autosome resembled that of contemporary Nubaians but she carried K1 since way back then, This calls into question how I previously viewed This supposed levantine portion of the Nubian genome. If I was to say that Thuya's K1 is devorced from her actual Levantine ancestry (autosomally) then I'd have to push K1 back a few generations in Egypt. On the flip side, if her K1 is more recent, then her Autosome speaks to that of one who has actual substantial levantine ancestry.[/b] The latter will be reflected in many populations who inadvertently show admixture from the near east, such as the Ancient east African pastoralist, who without a doubt SHOULD have egyptian ancestry, The christian nubian samples who should have AEgyptian ancestry, the abusir mummies who should have AEgyptian ancestry, and the contemporary North East African populations. [...] [/QUOTE]It certainly is anxiety. The kind of anxiety induced from adopting the shabby approach of the largely White genetic blogosphere, who have declared traditional historical and archaeological data and scholarship as outdated. What on earth is so remarkable about a royal from the 18th dynasty having a haplogroup that is not typically SSA? Do we not already know that this 18th dynasty mummy is like two generations removed from the Hyksos period? Are you really arguing that some random K haplogroup from the Bronze Age is better explained by a mass Israeli migration in the neolithic period into the Nile Valley (for which there is not a scrap of evidence) than by the well-documented intermarriage of Asiatics into Egypt from since the end of the Middle Kingdom period to the end of the Second Intermediate period? [/QUOTE][b]the issue is well stated[/b]... address it. Don't ask me irrelevant questions. I've not the patience. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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