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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] @Lioness Ramses III having E1b1a1-M2 is not important in a lot of conversations. It's mostly people like Rain King who keep spamming it. But to genetics enthusiasts, we just make a mental note and wait for clarifications and updates. In the meantime, Ramses III is just Egyptian, not West/Central African in any meaningful way. In the same way, it doesn't really matter that much that Tut has R1b. Tut is not European (or Chadic) in any meaningful way, just because he has R1b. In my opinion, you attach too much value to haplogroups by not recognizing that individual haplogroups fall low in the order of genetic importance or relevance. To have concrete ties to Bantu speakers, Ramses III would have to have substantial elevated West/Central autosomal DNA (compared to other ancient Egyptians), in addition to his E-M2. As far as Ramses III's autosomal DNA, look at his face. Ramses III does not look particularly shifted towards West/Central African people. Compare with Kemsit, for instance, who [URL=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Relief_Kemsit_Munich.JPG]who does look like she is shifted towards West/Central Africane[/URL], compared to contemporary Egyptians. But Ramses III fits with ordinary ancient Egyptians of that time. This tells you, that Ramses carrying E1b1a1-M2 is not important to his overall autosomal ancestry (otherwise his face and hair would have reflected it, just like Kemsit's face and hair reflect it). To give you another example, the Zenata Berbers below have: -E-M2, but they also have -corresponding autosomal ancestry from West/Central Africa that matches their E-M2 (see the grey bars opposite of the red arrows) [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/N684vA8.png[/IMG] [URL=https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0138453]Source[/URL] In their case, they will look mixed with West/Central Africans, because they have E-M2 + matching autosomal ancestry. They might look something like [URL=https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1089/984058122_dbcf4b31d7.jpg]this[/URL], while Zenata Berbers with E-M2 but with less corresponding grey ancestry will look [URL=https://i.imgur.com/niAn3tb.jpeg]more like this in phenotype[/URL]. They will not stand out from other Saharan Berbers in the way they look. Notice that the chart does not show such Zenata Berbers with E-M2 + dominant yellow autosomal ancestry. But you can be sure they exist. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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