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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Karem: [qb] "Not to mention since when did modern Egypt care about the ancient past? They sure didn't care about it in the 1700s and 1800s when Europeans invaded and took most of the artifacts. So who are they kidding?" People like Rifaa Rafi al-Tahtawi, Mustafa Kamil, Ahmad Lutfi al-Sayyid, Sami Gabra and Selim Hassan, just to name a few, were all interested in Ancient Egypt. 1700-1800's and even until 1900's Egypt was under colonial rule. "Egypt is an Arab republic and Arabs don't see ancient Egypt as "Arab history". This is complete and utter nonsense. Since the numerous invasions and colonization by various European powers explicitly for the purposes of stealing ancient African history, the country see ancient Egypt as an important part of their economy, so of course they will say this." [/qb][/QUOTE]The bigger issue here is that European powers were able to take much of the artifacts from Egypt, The Levant and Iraq because those lands were under Ottoman Rule and the Ottomans did not have much interest in keeping them for themselves. Arab regimes have long been known to treat prior history before Arab/Islamic invasion as against Islam. It is due to the way the process of Arabization/Islamization works. You don't have to be a "radical islamist" for this to happen. Islamic states historically all revolved around the religion as the basis for the state, which means Islamic/Arab history becomes the core of the history. Now in early Islam, scholarship was more liberal, especially in the Islamic Golden Age, but since then much of Islamic teaching has been devoted to the Quran and Islamic principles. The bigger issue is that obviously the ancient culture was an African culture created by African people. Non Africans would have brought obvious non African culture, tradition, gods and dress which you do not see in the ancient Nile Valley. Everything that has happened since the Persians shows that foreigners don't respect African traditions. So it makes no sense to claim that this ancient African culture would have come from Non Africans. Why would non Africans worship Khunum or Aset or Ausar as deities tied to Africa and the Nile? Why would they elevate inner Africa as Ta Netjer and not the Levant? Why would they depend on soldiers and police from other African lands and not Levantine and Asiatic soldiers? That just contradicts logic and facts. Most importantly the ancient society wasn't a slave society so they wouldn't have had "slave soldiers" which was a key feature of many Islamic armies in the Ottoman and Mamluk era. So those soldiers would have been afforded respect, power and prestige which wouldn't make sense if they hated Africans so much. Why would the color black be a sacred color is they hated blackness so much? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Karem: [qb] That depends on the political ideology of whose being asked. Egyptians who believe in a territorial nationalism are more likely to and do embrace their ancient past, where as those into Islamism might not. The French colonization of Egypt in 1798 was mainly concerned with preventing Britain access to India, and throwing off Mamluk rule. "Salima Ikram isn't even Egyptian, she is a Pakistani" To what extent does her race/ethnic identity matter ? [/qb][/QUOTE]Ideology plays a part but a lot of it has to do with money which in turn plays a big role in politics. And the country needs money from tourism. The country just built a huge new museum and they will need foreigners to help pay for it. Of course, it doesn't matter what the background of the scholar is, but again, the ideology is that the ancient Nile wasn't African. People may often have assumed that Salima was an Egyptian. To this day, the native Egyptians mostly are used as laborers in the field while most of the scholars are non Egyptian. This is why in order to get a degree in Egyptology you have to LEAVE EGYPT and go to Europe or America. That just shows you that the whole institution of Egyptology itself is based on a foreign colonial ideology and has nothing to do with any actual facts or evidence on the ground. And most of the digs and research on Egypt is done by European institutions and many of these scholars likewise paid by Europeans as well. So for the former director of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities to say the ancient culture and people weren't African, he may as well say they were European because that's who controls Egyptology. The only distinction in terms of politics is that the government of Egypt wants to keep any new artifacts found in Egypt in the country as part of national sovereignty. A lot of this started around the time of the discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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