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Anyone familiar with any research about Bell Beakers and their African Connection? I am curious if R1b may have found its way out of Africa into Europe via this culture.
Forty2Tribes Member # 21799
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I remember an mtdna study on them and they had a lot of Ls. Anyone have a link for that?
quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: Anyone familiar with any research about Bell Beakers and their African Connection? I am curious if R1b may have found its way out of Africa into Europe via this culture.
This reality is discussed in this paper
Y-CHROMOSOME R1 WAS INTRODUCED TO EURASIA BY KUSHITES
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The Kushites lived in Africa and Eurasia. Kushites originated in Africa. Researchers have observed that many of the Caucasus hunter-gatherers (CHG) and early European farmers (EF) populations carried R1a and R1b clades, and cultivated millet, which was not cultivated in Central Asia and the Middle East until 1000s of years after it was cultivated at Nabta Playa in Africa, and in the Ukraine by CHG and EF populations . Interestingly, the CHG carried the R1b1, and R1b1a lineages. Some researchers claim that these clades are “distant relatives” of V88, and that V88 is the result of a back migration from Eurasia to Central Africa. The archaeological evidence, on the other hand, lacks any corroboration of a back migration from Eurasia. Instead, the archaeogenetic evidence indicates that Niger-Congo speaking Africans from North Africa and the Saharo-Sahel, called Kushites in the historical literature early settled Crete, Iberia and Anatolia, and that these Africans introduced R1b, the Bell Beaker and the agro-pastoral cultural traditions into Eurasia during the Neolithic. See web page
Clyde Winters Member # 10129
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: Anyone familiar with any research about Bell Beakers and their African Connection? I am curious if R1b may have found its way out of Africa into Europe via this culture.
"African populations has resulted in the existence of a variety of genomes carried by these populations since the origination of anatomically modern humans in Africa over the past 200,000 years (200ky).
Today the Black Variety is referred too, in the archaeogenetics literature as Sub-Saharan Africans. Between 3200-2900 BC, African culture and people began to migrate into Iberia and introduced megaliths and the Bell Beaker culture (Lahovary, 1963). Spanish researchers accepted the reality that the Iberia Peninsula owed the major parts of Neolithic Iberia to African immigrants (Lahovary, 1963; Macwhite, 1947). MacWhite (1947) claims there was a close relationship between Iberia and Britain. These researchers admit that Portugal and Brittany were settled by Megalithic Africans who founded respectively the Mugem and Teviec sepultures (Lahovary, 1963; MacWhite, 1947).
Olalde et al., (2017) discuss the spread of Bell Beaker culture across Europe 27 kya. These researchers found limited genetic affinity between individuals from Iberian and central Europeans. Olalde et al., (2017) concludes that migration probably played an insignificant mechanism in the spread of R1 within the two areas.
The Neolithic British farmers were genetically similar to Neolithic Iberians dating between 3900–1200 BCE (Olalde et al., 2017; MacWhite, 1947; Mathieson et al., 2017). The British farmers were replaced by farmers of the Beaker culture (Olalde et al., 2017). Eighty-four percent of the Beaker Bell Steppe migrants carried R1b (Olalde et al., 2017).
Bell Beaker appeared in Iberia around 2700 BCE (Cardoso, 2014; Olalde et al., 2017; Müller and van Willigen, 2001). It is interesting to note that while most people in the Iberian Beaker complex carried the G2 and I2a2 haplogroups (Olalde et al., 2017; Mathieson et al., 2017). Iberians during this period also carried R-V88 (Kivisild, 2017; Mathieson et al., 2017).
In summary Late Neolithic Bell Beaker tradition expanded from the Taqua region of Iberia to Ireland and Scandinavia between 2800-2700 BC. Haak et al., (2015) reported carriers of R1b1 (R-L278) at Samara and in Spain. " web page
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the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by Forty2Tribes: I remember an mtdna study on them and they had a lot of Ls. Anyone have a link for that?
two articles are listed at the bottom of that link under "Further Readings" and Clyde also mentions these articles
Elmaestro Member # 22566
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: Anyone familiar with any research about Bell Beakers and their African Connection? I am curious if R1b may have found its way out of Africa into Europe via this culture.
They didn't.
Kehf el Baroud was a bellbeaker site... there's another by Ifri_Amer Moussa Morocco but I'd look into the former first.
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