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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Big O: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Big O: [qb] What is a "Eurasian affinity" in terms of physical appearance relative to modern populations?[/qb][/QUOTE]That depends on what specific suite of traits one is using since Eurasians vary in terms of features. In this instance we are discussing non-metric dental that is odontic traits. Even here Eurasians vary. I suggest you take a look at my thread on [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=010059;p=1]odontology as indicator of genetics[/URL].[/QUOTE]But that to me this is where Western racial hypocrisy sets in. When it comes to Africa rarely are East African variants used as the reference population for Africa, and instead these African variants are treated often as non African despite being indigenous. When it comes Eurasia, with their vast completely arbitrary collective why are their biological templates never pigeon holed like Africa? How can Western Eurasians be a biological template when we KNOW that they have received MASSIVE amounts of African geneflow over the last 5,000 years. What discretion is used by researchers to imply that these Western Eurasians themselves have biological variants due to recent African geneflow? With that being said how on Earth can they be described as anything other than mulattoes of their respective region? [QUOTE][qb]Also the finding of Pleistocene Nubians having very close affinity to recent West African populations is indicative of what exactly? Where were the Somali/Ethiopic or modern Sudanese peoples during this time, and why is there no affinity towards them? [/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]To your question, the Pleistocene Nubians' affinity to West Africans is actually not that close at all since they are outliers due to possessing many archaic traits that West Africans do not have. This is why I question Irish's claim of West African origin for these Nubians.[/QUOTE]He reinforced that claim in the earlier study with the graphic that you posted back in 2013 though;' "In contrast, Irish and Turner (1990) and Irish (2000, 2005) noted that Pleistocene Nubians (in particular those of Jebel Sahaba skeletons) were as a group quite different from recent Nubians for dental discreet traits yet [b]shared great phenetic affinity with recent West African populations[/b] ." -- T.W. Holiday 2013 ("Population Affinities of the Jebel Sahaba Skeletal Sample") So he's been making this claim of West African affinity in pre-historic Nubia for quite a while now. I wouldn't imagine that it was a fluke when the researchers evidence keeps supporting this. Further [QUOTE] To your second question, Irish actually does not do a good job of including East Africans even other Sudanese in his studies. [/QUOTE]But as you can see in the quote from his 2013 study however, that there was apparently a head to head comparison between recent Afro-Asiatic and Nilotic speakers and modern West African groups. He finds that these modern groups in the East African region do not share close affinity with the Pleistocene inhabitants. Are we talking about a ghost population? And if so, did this ghost population share a common ancestor with modern day West Africans? Did they die off? Where are they TODAY? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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