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[QUOTE]Originally posted by TubuYal23: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by SlimJim: [qb] Define black Egypt? Black is very vague and subjective.[/qb][/QUOTE]Actually 'black' strictly speaking is a description of skin color. Hence, you have Australian Aborigines, Melanesians, and peoples from India who are 'black' but skin color alone doesn't say much about genetic relation. What's funny is that Classical authors from Greece and Rome blatantly described the Egyptians as 'black' with terms like the Greek melanchro or Latin maure, and even Hebrew texts from early Judaeans called the Egyptians 'kushi' having the same meaning. So I find the very argument denying a black Egypt to be utterly absurd. This is why Eurocentrics nowadays or at least the smart ones no longer argue against the 'black' label but instead argue on definitions of genetic populations, thus black not necessarily meaning 'sub-Saharan' meaning "negroid". This is actually nothing more than a resurrection of the 'Hamitic Hypothesis' that is "black-skinned Caucasoids" [sic]! In fact, back in the hey-day of Egyptomania from the late 19th-20th centuries, with the French and British inventing the discipline of 'Egyptology', the early physical anthropologists of those days openly admitted that the Egyptian 'racial type' is "Abyssinian" i.e. [b]Ethiopian[/b] but that such a type was considered to be part of the "Caucasian" or "White race" as opposed to the "Negroid" or Black race. So despite the obvious heavy melanin content, they made the ridiculous assertion of 'blackened whites'. [b]LOL[/b] :D This is why I no longer engage in unscientific arguments of racial typology but would rather discuss scientific arguments based on biological affinities. And this is why you have a troll with the moniker of "Sudanese" who doesn't bother addressing the topic of this thread which is odontic traits but instead claims that not only Egyptians but ancient Kenyans were not black either and I take it, neither were ancient Sudanese! [b]LOL[/b] :D [/qb][/QUOTE]The continued denial is nothing but generational delusion. It's to the point where all the bogus theories and racism to the contrary has been thoroughly called out, like I wish there was a time machine tour of the Nile valley, that went from 10,000 to 4,000 years ago, or some kind of photo device that could peer back in time, so we can end this charade. But as you stated they'll just switch back to the tried and true "dark skinned Caucasian" bs, a seed planted for later usage long ago in the name of vile stubbornness, trying to convince themselves, with the tiniest of vague margins to keep fighting against the truth. [QUOTE] “We now recognize that populations of Nubia and Egypt form a continuum rather than clearly distinct groups,” Mr. Emberling writes, “and that it is impossible to draw a line between Egypt and Nubia that would indicate where 'black' begins.” [/QUOTE]or their calling Diodorus of Sicily a liar...it's always curious when so called scholar disagree with ancient people of their day. From their modern, biased jaded positions, when the topic of "black" Egypt is concerned. [QUOTE]They say also that the Egyptians [b]are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians[/b], Osiris having been the leader of the colony. 2 For, speaking generally, what is now Egypt, they maintain, was not land but sea when in the beginning the universe was being formed; afterwards, however, as the Nile during the times of its inundation carried down the mud from Ethiopia, land was gradually built up from the deposit. Also the statement that all the land of the Egyptians is alluvial silt deposited by the river receives the clearest proof, in their opinion, from what takes place at the outlets of the Nile; 3 for as each year new mud is continually gathered together at the mouths of the river, the sea is observed being thrust back by the deposited silt and the land receiving the increase. And the larger part of the customs of the Egyptians are, they hold, Ethiopian, the p95 colonists still preserving their ancient manners. 4 For instance, the belief that their kings are gods, the very special attention which they pay to their burials, and many other matters of a similar nature are Ethiopian practices, while the shapes of their statues and the forms of their letters are Ethiopian; 5 [/QUOTE]or [QUOTE] "Lycinus ([b]describing an Egyptian[/b]): 'This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin... his hair worn in a plait shows that he is not a freeman.' Timolaus: 'but that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt, Lycinus. All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood...' - Lucian (Lycinus) of Samosata [/QUOTE]I mean, it begs the question, are we to believe that all these equally ancient people were just making stuff up? Did they not see these people traveling on boats or on land in armies from the Nile Valley or Ancient Egypt? it's truly mind-bogglingly, that Eurocentrics will go as far as to deny the ancient etymology of the word "black" across multiple cultures and civilizations. When it's in reference to Ancient Egyptians and how the people of the time came upon them. And the notion that those people didn't comprehend differences in color among other groups, compared to their own - to be the height of absurdity. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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