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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by beyoku: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Big O: [qb] Determining a genetic relationship is not the same as determining a person or people's phenotype. aDNA does not give information about what a person looks like, just assumptions. The osteological remains are what determine really how a person or people looked. Also aDNA does not tell you where you ancestors came. It is nothing more than assumption. For example E-M2 found in Ramses and son suggest what? That West African or SSA NC speaking populations migrated from their region into Khemet during antiquity? Or does it suggest that so called West, South, Central Africans originated in Northeast Africa, and dispersed? aDNA will never answer that question without context as Ausar points out. [/qb][/QUOTE]aDNA DOES indeed provide information on a persons Phenotype. There are genes for Eye Color, hair Color, Hair thickness, Teeth Shape, Skin Color, Hair morphology, [URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8375984/]and a host other physical features relating to face morphology as detailed here.[/URL] aDNA CAN tell you were a person "Came from". I am E1b1a1g1a1a1a, its quite clear that ancestor "Came from" Africa. We can compare my highly derived lineage to more basal ones like E1b1a* and E1b1a1* and look a the diversity of these lineages to trace the migration path of Y-chromosomes and Mtna. My Maternal marker is L0a1a2, its quite clear we can go back to L0a1a > L0a1 > L0a > L0 and see how this lineage originates somewhere in the South African to East African Rift Valley Corridor. There are also very specific mutations carried by humans due to environmental/disease adaptation and stress that are associated with very distinct regions: Regional Sickle Cell traits, Regional Lactose persistence variants, adaptation to high-altitude hypoxia...etc. If we had high resolution SNP and STR data from Ramessess III, it would be very clear what the nature of his E1b1a linage is, or if its even E1b1a in the first place. I watched Asar's 4 hour video. The main thrust of his argument can be summed up as follows: "Look Hawass said Egyptians were 'Dark skinned but not Negro', he is wrong, here is evidence that shows my outdated idea of Race from my cultural perspective is better than his outdated idea of race from his cultural perspective: Exhibit A, this white man said they were similar to Australians" :rolleyes: The whole dismissal of Genetics smells like Anti Intellectualism. He is providing them FUEL. Its ALWAYS the anti-intellectuals that dismiss Genetic research in favor of lookership to shoe horn themselves into populations around the globe. Asar KNOWS better, its good to see him come out and say "they ARE descendant of Ancients they just admixture". So many people cant even commit to say this and have a totally ethnocentric interpretation of North African demographic events and argue replacement. HE IS CORRECT on the cultural aspects. They are no longer Animists. They dont walk around with Ostrich plumes in the head [URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njIra_TTeNg]Like this.[/URL] . They dont farm naked and fish ass naked on papyrus reed boats. They dont use Wooded head rests anymore. They dont Bleed Cows and no more cattle insufflation like their ancient and modern pastoral kin. They no longer wear leopard skins. They no longer worship the "Old Gods". That culture is mostly gone and survives only in small linguistic remnants in Coptic and Egyptian Arabic. YOU DO have to reach out to other people who have a shared ancient culture to see how some of this stuff may have gone down, or see a modern interpretation of a feathered headrest, wooden pillow, leopard skin, women dancing naked. They no longer do these things due to modernization and Islam. A genetic basis for "Race" Does not exist. [/qb][/QUOTE]I agree that the genetic basis for "race" doesn't exist because race doesn't exist. However that does not change the fact that many people have exchanged genetics for cranial measurements in reinforcing "racial" distinctions in ancient North Africa. That is abundantly still the case. And the concept of "race" as we know it came from Europe as part of the evolution of modern anthropology, with the Nile Valley being a key topic. Old habits are hard to change and a lot of these ideas still persist to this day. The biggest outstanding problem in modern anthrpology and genetics is the fact that they stll have not identified what specific lineages participated in OOA. And when I say OOA I mean those genes found among those first entering the Levant, Southern Europe and Arabia from Africa and survived to go on to settle Eurasia. Because they haven't found that, their 'dna tree' doesn't make sense because logically at some point all Eurasian DNA should converge on a set of African DNA lineages in Europe, but they don't. And my guess is that this is party due how haplogroup assignment works and partly due to statistical models used to estimate age and common ancestors of various DNA lineages. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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