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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb] None of what you just posted contradict what I posted and further confirms that these lineages were brought by north africans in Europe not by some fancy black population.[/qb][/QUOTE][b]LOL[/b] Who said anything about "fancy"? I merely said these North Africans were black! Your fallacy that black equates to Sub-Saharans only is senseless considering that blacks are indigenous to ALL of Africa including North and that the Sahara desert did not always exist anyway! [QUOTE][qb]E-m81 is specifically north african no matter if it descends from E-m35 therefore this Hg being found in europe necessarily implies a migration from North Africa not SSA. (Same could be said about E-m78, Iberomaurusians had it yet were not similar to nubians) and why can't I find the quote you posted in the paper?[/qb][/QUOTE]Irrelevant. Both E-M78 and E-M81 descend from E-M35 which originated in Sub-Sahara thus these subclades were brought to North Africa by Sub-Saharans! [QUOTE][qb]So again where are your evidence of a native black population in coastal north Africa? [/qb][/QUOTE]The Egyptians and Libyans! I already shown you historical evidence in other threads like [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=009496&p=3#000120]here[/URL] but apparently no matter how many times you see it you deny it anyway. Here it is again: Herodotus: "[i]it is in fact manifest that the Colchians are Egyptian by race... several Egyptians told me that in their opinion the Colchians were descended from soldiers of Sesostris. I had conjectured as much myself from two pointers, [b]firstly because they have black skins and wooly hair[/b][/i].." Aristotle: "[i][b]Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians.[/b] But those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two."[/i] and "[i]Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because of that the body of itself creates, because of disturbance by heat, like loss of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations…[/i]" Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): '[i][b]This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin[/b]. . . his hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not a freeman.[/i]' Aeschylus in 'The Suppliants', Danaos, fleeing with his daughters, the Danaids, and pursued by his brother Aegyptos with his sons, the Aegyptiads, who seek to wed their cousins by force, climbs a hillock, looks out to sea and describes the Aegyptiads at the oars afar off in these terms: '[i]I can see the crew with their [b]black limbs[/b] and white tunics[/i]' and '[i]In ships, stout-timbered and dark-prowed, they have sailed here, attended by a mighty [b]black host[/b], and in their wrath overtaken us'[/i] Diodorus Siculus: "[i]The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians `are one of their colonies,35 which was led into Egypt by Osiris. They claim that at the beginning of the world Egypt was simply a sea but that the Nile, carrying down vast quantities of loam from Ethiopia in its flood waters, finally filled it in and made it part of the continent.[/i]" Ammianus Marcellinus: "[i]the men of Egypt are mostly [b]brown and black[/b] with a skinny and desiccated look.[/i]" [b]The Egyptian race according to the Judeo-Christian authors of antiquity[/b] Rabbi Yuda ben Simon in a Midrashic text: Abraham says to his wife Sarah, "[i]Now we are about to enter a place (Egypt) of ugly and [b]black people[/b][/i]" In a Midrash: "[i][b]The black people[/b] will come out of Egypt, Kush will stretch its hands to God[/i]" Church Father Theodore of Mopsuestia says about the Shulamite bride in the 'Song of Songs': "She was [b]black like all the Egyptians[/b] and Ethiopians." Church Father Origen Adamantius says of the Egyptians: "[i]They are the [b]discolored (black)[/b] posterity of Ham[/i]" [/QB][/QUOTE]
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