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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by BrandonP: [qb] I thought it was Ramses I who founded the 19th dynasty? Seti I is Ramses I’s son and heir. [b]EDIT:[/b] I see Ramses I did have a father in the military named Seti, as well as a son named Seti I. Really confusing. [/qb][/QUOTE]Yeah I confuse myself by applying the 'I' title to Commander Seti [i]was[/i] technically the first. [URL=https://web.archive.org/web/20091024113007/http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/data1_files/data1.htm]Data Tables for New Kingdom Pharaohs[/URL] [i] SN-Mandibular Plane Subject SN to M Plane Seqenenre Tao 34 Ahmose I 27.2 Amenhotep I 33.7 Thutmose I 34 Thutmose II 37.4 Thutmose III 43.1 Amenhotep II 38.4 Thutmose IV 26.2 Amenhotep III 28 Smenkhkare 37.33 ---------------------- Seti I 32.22 Ramesses II 31.9 Merenptah 33.4 Seti II 41.9 Siptah 49 Ramesses III 28.9 Ramesses IV 31.8 Ramesses V 28.6 Ramesses IX (XI)33.4 In the study of Alexander and Hitchcock of Alabama populations, the AA norm for SN-Mand. was 34.4 compared to 32.0 for Caucasians. The average for the Pharaohs is 34.23. If one includes the New Kingdom Queens the mean is 35.83! (Alexander TL, Hitchcock HP. Cephalometric standards for American Negro children. Am J Orthod 1978;74:298-304) ANB Values (A point-Nasion-B point) Subject ANB Seqenenre Tao 6.22 Ahmose I 7.5 Amenhotep I 5.56 Thutmose I 10.46 Thutmose II 3.41 Thutmose III 6.1 Amenhotep II 5.5 Thutmose IV 5.84 Amenhotep III 6 Smenkhkare 5.41 --------------------- Seti I 5.49 Ramesses II 6.94 Merenptah 7.5 Seti II 3.7 Siptah -- Ramesses III 7.2 Ramesses IV 6.26 Ramesses V 3.14 Ramesses IX (XI)4.74 The values here are almost all very high. The mean is 5.9428, which exceeds the means obtained for persons of African descent in previous studies and far exceeds the means obtained for Caucasians (Downs WB. Variations in facial relationships: Their significance in treatment and prognosis. Am J Orthod 1948;34:812-840; Fonseca RJ, Klein WD. A cephalometric evaluation of American Negro women. Am J Orthod 1978;73:152-160; Steiner CC. Cephalometrics in clinical practice. Angle Orthod 1959;29:8-29).[/i] Mind you craniofacial traits are inherited from both parents though the stronger masculine traits come from the father. So what of queens?... [/QB][/QUOTE]
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