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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: Did you not make that post above that blacks in the Nile Valley are the result of sub saharan slave trading? Why are you running? You created the thread and somebody asks you for proof now you are running? What happened. Where's all that data you got? Is this what you got? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb] A very interesting article from the Archéo-Nil journal : "Origines du peuplement de l’Égypte ancienne : l’apport de l’anthropobiologie" by Alain Froment : [QUOTE]"[...]"[...] a multivariate craniometric analysis of 384 world populations is presented. [b]It shows that the Egyptian population presented a great variability, and confirms the general opinion on the polymorphism and the geographical gradient concerning the shape of the skull: the populations of Lower Egypt are very close to those of the Maghreb, and those of Upper Egypt resemble those of Nubia, the latter being close, but not identical, to those of Sub-Saharan Africa.[/b] [/QUOTE]Mixed unions in the XVIIIth dynasty (which again confirms what I thought) : [QUOTE] The first king of the XVIIIth dynasty, Ahmosis, had married his sister, [b]Ahmes-Nofertari, described as Ethiopian[/b] , who was then regent, then goddess; their son Amenophis I conquered Ethiopia. We have the mummy of Nofertari: curly hair, small mouth, thin lips, straight and slightly lowered nose slightly lowered, short without being flat with wide wings, of dimensions 47 x33 mm (CHANTRE 1904, p.71). [...] [b]The queen of the reformer Tiyi, wife of Akhenaten, of Amenophis is of commoner and Nubian origin (see her famous effigy in the Egyptian Museum of Berlin, miscegenation N°211834), which proves that miscegenation was widespread.[/b] [/qb][/QUOTE]Sounds like to me there were always blacks in the Nile Valley in those two quotes. So where is the proof that black skin is foreign to Upper Egypt and the Nile Valley? Still waiting. [/QUOTE]No the topic wasn't about slavery in Egypt and running from what ? Lmao the quotes you post highlight that they were similar to modern egyptians which you describe as "arab" what's even more funny is that the ancient samples we have are genetically close to arabs than any other population XD the second quote show that nubians could reach high position in egypt's society so posting "queen nodjmet" as a proof of black egyptian is misleading since she could have had nubian ancestry. As for slavery since you ask for it : [QUOTE]For Zayed (Unesco 1980 p. 141) there were in the Middle Kingdom villages of Nubian settlers as far as the Fayum. The composition of present-day Egypt has been modulated by a double flow in the opposite direction: the Mediterranean and Arab contribution, difficult to quantify but not necessarily important since the Islamization of Egypt was the fact of the 4000 horsemen led by Amr ibn el as, followed by a slow diffusion, [b]and the negro-African contribution of the slave trade to Muslim countries, which lasted from the Middle Ages to the present; Caillaud counted 40,000 slaves in 1826; around 1870 it was estimated that 20 to 25,000 of them, raided in the Upper Nile and as far as Chad, passed through Egypt each year (Hamon 1893, Revue de l'Orient 2: 228), a good number of them making a home on the spot[/b] [. ..] [/QUOTE] https://www.persee.fr/doc/arnil_1161-0492_1992_num_2_1_1166 [/qb][/QUOTE]Yeah like I thought, you talk a good game but when it comes down to it you are spewing hot air. Hair texture among black Africans in the Nile Valley: [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Beja_Child_with_sheep.jpg/732px-Beja_Child_with_sheep.jpg?20200217032156[/IMG] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beja_Child_with_sheep.jpg You made this thread to suggest that "Afrocentrics" were making up facts about the ancient nile valley using "hair" as proof. Prof of what? That black Africans cant have straight hair? Based on what? Sudanese with straight hair: [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/With_camels.jpg/673px-With_camels.jpg[/IMG] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/With_camels.jpg/673px-With_camels.jpg So called "Nubians" from Aswan with straight hair [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Egypt%2C_Assuan.jpg/647px-Egypt%2C_Assuan.jpg?20151029215641[/IMG] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Egypt,_Assuan.jpg So seriously what is your point? You certainly cannot argue that blacks in Sudan and Upper Egypt are slaves as they have been there since the beginning. But beyond that this is the kind of hair worn in the ancient Nile Valley: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/551111 https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/Y_EA2560 https://intarch.ac.uk/journal/issue42/6/3.cfm Which is nothing more than the common hairstyle of braids seen all over 'black' Africa. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:People_of_Aswan#/media/File:Egypt,_Bisharin_Man,_Assuan.jpg [/QB][/QUOTE]
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