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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [QB] [QUOTE] So according to you, whites no longer spread misinformation and lies about history and anthropology? That is purely hypocritical especially in this day and age of social media where the internet is full of misinformation and half truths of all stripes, but according to you it is only black people that do it. And somehow that absolves Europeans of their history of lies and distortion? I am not saying that you have to agree anything that isn't based on fact or isn't a reasonable theory based on facts, but you are acting like this is a blacks only issue. When the fact is that Europeans created these racial models and those models are still being used by many within and without of academia in many ways. So if you are going to criticize the use of such models then you have to start with the Europeans by making this model in the first place and spreading it. [/QUOTE]The myth about Black Olmecs (and other alleged black precolumbian American civilisations) is mainly spread by black people today, even if there are exceptions. Especially on social media. But of course there are misinformation from whites about many other subjects. All peoples are able to spread misinformation about different things, even if the subjects vary. [QUOTE] Thor Heyerdahl died is what happened, but he accomplished what he set out to do which is to show it was possible to sail across the ocean in a reed raft. And there are others that have taken up where he left off, which means that plenty of Europeans and others still see this theory as a possibility. That doesn't mean evidence wont be found of African contact or that everybody outside of Afrocentrics have abandoned the idea altogether. Also, as far as serious scholarship goes, the last person to promote this theory was Ivan Van Sertima who is also dead. Meaning that in general, the theory is still a theory but the evidence for direct African contact has not been found at least that I know of so there isn't a lot of scholarship on it any longer. It is still a theory, but to this day, it was never an Afrocentric, regardless of whatever anonymous Afrocentrics you claim to be promoting it. And why are you talking about anonymous internet Afrocentrics anyway? Who introduced Olmecs into this thread? [/QUOTE]Thor Heyerdahl did a lot of things, some things had more scientific credibility than others. Yes he died, and he belonged to a an older generation. Seems that most archaeologists, historians, linguistics and others do not support all of his ideas. Ivan van Sertima is well known and among those who work with American archaeology, anthropology and genetics (I know personally people who have worked with archaeology in the Americas for many years, one in 25 years) his ideas are not directly accepted. Already many years ago there were written articles that refuted many of his claims. There is a lot of archaeology done, especially in Mesoamerica, and an African presence would have been discovered at least in some of the meticulous archaeological and anthropological investigations and research that is conducted there. But of course there are speculations, there will always be. Then it of course differ which kind of speculations, and how it goes from speculation to pure fabrication like in this video. There are a lot of over the top stuff on the net and in books and articles by certain authors. Because It Matters - Black Indians were already here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRNT5M3YNM Some of the "Afrocentrics" (in the lack of better names) are maybe not so anonymous, like Clyde Winters who is well known online (also here on ES with his Mande Olmecs). And people like David Imhotep have also promoted speculations about these things. And they have a number of followers on social media, some anonymous and others not. Social media have kept many ideas alive that otherwise few would have heard about. But as I said not only African Americans promote pseudo history and wild speculations, such things one can see among most peoples. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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