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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] Okay, so I watched the video and to Doug the issue is not about black or African queens but [b]Nubian[/b] queens. In fact, they all seem to agree that Egypt was itself African and related to Nubia, but the focus of the lecture was on culture not 'race'. They make it clear that Europeans have traditionally viewed Egyptians as culturally 'Western' and thus the implication that they were of the same 'race' as them; however, the experts in the talk make it clear that the Egyptians showed more ties to their Nubian neighbors than to anyone else and that in the course of their development, influence went both ways. The Eurocentric ideal of Egyptians being "caucasian" and thus dominant power that "civilized" Nubia is has been totally debunked. The video presentation is roughly divided into two parts main parts with [URL=https://www.nms.ac.uk/collections-research/collections-departments/global-arts-cultures-and-design/meet-the-team/dr-margaret-maitland/]Dr. Margaret Maitland[/URL] doing her presentation on the mysterious [URL=https://www.nms.ac.uk/explore-our-collections/stories/global-arts-cultures-and-design/the-qurna-burial/]Qurna Queen[/URL] who may possibly of Nubian ancestry and [URL=https://nelc.ucla.edu/person/solange-ashby/]Dr. Solange Ashby[/URL] doing her presentation on 4 different Nubian queens across time-- Ashayet (c. 2000 BCE), Kerma 1053 (c. 1650 BCE), Amenirdis I (c. 714-700 BCE), and Amanishakheto (c. 50 BCE- 100 CE). It was a very interesting presentation and full of valuable info. I do agree that the title of the video is misleading in that it makes it seem that only the Nubians were black Africans and not the Egyptians, but the experts make it clear that's not the case. [/qb][/QUOTE]I am just saying if most of the Queens in the ancient Nile Valley were African then why start only with so called "Nubians"? If they were for the most part Africans in the ancient dynastic era before 1000 BC, what is the point of distinction then? It is like saying European Queens start with Queen Elizabeth in England when there were many other European queens before that. And all of her terminology is rooted in European colonial discourse using terms such as "C-Group" and so forth which has absolutely no relationship with any form of African self identity in the ancient Nile Valley. As for "Hathor Dancers" keep in mind that this is likely a remnant of the early cattle worship of places like Nabta Playa, which again is in Upper Egypt and reflective of the early precursors of Nile Valley civilization being in the South. Again, this narrative of "Nubia" excludes Nabta Playa, Wadi Halfa Wadi Kubbaniya and all that ancient history before 5,000 BC as part of this "A-Group, B-Group, C-Group" nonsense which has absolutely nothing to do with the actual history of the Nile Valley as a continuity of culture. And I don't see her challenging that and this is why the title claims one thing but actually does totally the opposite. It isn't challenging anything but staying firmly within the established colonial framework, like I said. And this is 70+ years after Diop actually challenged Egyptology in formal scholarly fashion. So in my eyes, she is just staying "safe" and not trying to rock the boat because Egyptology has no problem with Africans being in "Nubia" but that isn't the beginning of African history, kingship or queenship, which also goes beyond KMT itself. If she didn't want to actually talk about the history of black queens then she shouldn't have put it in the title. She should have just named it, history of Nubian queens and left it at that. Not to mention she never touches on Amun as the black god of Gebel Barkal and the father of the pharoah during the middle and New Kingdom. I mean all of that is standard Egyptology and nothing really special. This is why Gods Wife of Amun was so special in the sense of representing the next potential queen mother for Amuns seed (next pharaoh). All of that started long before the Kushite pharoahs and is fundamentally part of a pattern of African kings having multiple wives which goes back prior to KMT. The only thing special about KMT was that they left so many monuments in stone, but most of the traditions are African and origins long before that. And like I have always said on this forum, for all these so-called allies in the scholarly community, until they actually stand up in public in a formal setting and acknowledge the specific black African people in the ancient Nile Valley then they are just blowing smoke. Acknowledging "nubians" as black doesn't even count. Because doing that makes it seem that all those African scholars such as Diop, Dr Clarke and so forth were all simply quacks and frauds while "real scholarship" is different and just does some arm waving about the ancient Nile being African without being specific. IF she is afraid to say Tiye was a black queen or Ahmose was a black Queen then that tells me she isn't really trying to challenge anything. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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