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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] The origin of a haplogroup is suggested by 1) location of highest diversity 2) location of highest frequency 3) location of oldest human remains carrier found [/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Forty2Tribes: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] ^^^ that map is not useful without the caption also needs article source and date. you heard Brother Ankh, it's time to source up [/qb][/QUOTE]This caption [QUOTE] Figure 1. A schematic view of the evolution of human biodiversity. Dots of different colors represent different genotypes, pie charts in panel E represent allele frequencies in five regions at the end of the process. Approximate dates for the five panels: (a,b), >60 000 years before present (BP); (c), 60 000 years BP; (d), 40 000 years BP; (e), 30 000 BP. A broader set of images is available at this site: http:// web.unife.it/progetti/genetica/Guido/index.php?lng=it&p=11. Collapse [/QUOTE]You see what I mean? [QUOTE] [/QUOTE]This study https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg201040 is saying C came from Africa. Wikipedia is saying D came from Africa yet neither has the frequency, diversity or old human remains.That image is from a generally unrelated FAQ yet it illustrates why Africa doesn't need to follow those rules. [/qb][/QUOTE]you should quote varies things to support each argument you make and put article title and DATE also in case URL fails. You posted a diversity map with a lot of colored dots but I saw nothing that linked those to specific haplogroups and the colors did not match the indications of the other chart. Now you are saying other stuff so you need quotes and article title : [QUOTE]Originally posted by Forty2Tribes: This study https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg201040 is saying C came from Africa. [/QUOTE] https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg201040 [b]2010[/b] Global distribution of Y-chromosome haplogroup C reveals the prehistoric migration routes of African exodus and early settlement in East Asia Hua Zhong, [b]Conclusions We demonstrated the phylogeographic distribution of one of the most ancient non-African Y-chromosome lineages, [/b]from which we inferred the prehistoric migration and expansion of the Hg C lineage. [b]We propose that Hg C was derived from the African exodus and gradually colonized[/b] South Asia, Southeast Asia, Oceania and East Asia by a single Paleolithic migration from Africa to Asia and Oceania, which occurred more than 40 KYA. The prehistoric northward migration of Hg C in mainland East Asia likely followed the coastline and is consistent with the northward migration of other East Asian Y-chromosome haplogroups. ____________________________ In other words they theorize (but don't prove) that the original C carriers were in Africa. However now they aren't and today people living in Africa don't carry C keep in mind also article is 12 years old. You can do confirmation bias and stop at the first thing you like or try to find what current opinion is and consider the origin may not be resolved Look at the wiki and look at the bottom references to journal articles for something more recent. there is a lot of stuff there, dont just stop looking at articles because you found one you like politically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C-M130 So looking at this 2010 paper conclusion they still call C a "one of the most ancient non-African Y-chromosome lineages" now read the whole thing and/or do a ctl + F and look up up some words, like "Africa" [QUOTE] "The phylogeographic distribution pattern of Hg C supports a single coastal ‘Out-of-Africa’ route by way of the Indian subcontinent, which eventually led to the early settlement of modern humans in mainland Southeast Asia. The northward expansion of Hg C in East Asia started ∼40 thousand of years ago (KYA) along the coastline of mainland China and reached Siberia ∼15 KYA and finally made its way to the Americas." The ethnically diversified populations in East Asia have been suggested as the descendants of ancient modern humans of African origin, having a significant role in subsequent migrations into Siberia and the Americas. [b]Hg C is prevalent in various geographical areas[/b] (Figures 1 and 2), including Australia (65.74%), Polynesia (40.52%), Heilongjiang of northeastern China (Manchu, 44.00%), Inner Mongolia (Mongolian, 52.17%; Oroqen, 61.29%), Xinjiang of northwestern China (Hazak, 75.47%), Outer Mongolia (52.80%) and northeastern Siberia (37.41%). Hg C is also present in other regions, extending longitudinally from Sardinia13 in Southern Europe all the way to Northern Colombia,32 and latitudinally from Yakutia24 of Northern Siberia and Alaska32 of Northern America to India, Indonesia and Polynesia, [b]but absent in Africa.[/b] [/QUOTE]So what is you conclusion now, Hap see came from Africa but none of it is in Africa presently so this means all these Asian people, China and so on are Africans? Don't get hung up on the semantics of the geography of continents. Don't worry about "African" and "Non-African" Look at your haplogroup and then look at the various places in the world it is in and the diversity The haplogroups don't care about the continent names [QUOTE]Originally posted by Forty2Tribes: Wikipedia is saying D came from Africa yet neither has the frequency, diversity or old human remains. [/QUOTE]wiki, haplogroup D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_D-CTS3946 it says: [QUOTE] Haplogroup D was formerly the name of the D lineage D-M174. Varying proposals exist regarding the origin of haplogroup DE, the parent of D, with some suggesting an African[2] and others an Asian origin.[3] But D-M174 was, and generally is, assumed to be of Asian origin and is exclusively found in Asia. [/QUOTE]^ this is only the beginning of several paragraphs talking about the various theories, Asian or African origin for D, they are not sure But, this is how it looks now (from the same page: [IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/03/0f/nUr6B5nQ_o.png[/IMG] So with this distribution why should people of African descent care if 70,000 years ago the D founder was in Africa? They left They can only guess remote origin of these older haplogroups Look at that map, where D evolved, Africa or Asia is unknown but like every other haplogroup is is mainly Africa but with slight variation. Suppose the first C or D carrier was in Africa, is that a score for Africans of today of some kind? If they were originally in Africa now they are not So what about haplogroup J ? I would say it's not impossible that originated in Africa. So if you are an African person of haplogroup J then you might consider the possibility. But if your haplogroup is E or A or B or R1b or whatever it doesn't have much to do with you. This is how I see it. And anything having to do with civilizations we know about is many thousands of years more recent So that aspect doesn't go many thousands of years earlier to prehistoric people [IMG]https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d44b31b2e91974309df68429047f3c6c-pjlq[/IMG] Here is C Europeans are more African on average than these C carriers [/QB][/QUOTE]
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