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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Forty2Tribes: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: ...Lioness is all over the place[/QUOTE]My point was that people can theorize an African origin without frequency, diversity and ancient burials. [QUOTE]you should quote varies things to support each argument you make and put article title and DATE also in case URL fails. You posted a diversity map with a lot of colored dots but I saw nothing that linked those to specific haplogroups and the colors did not match the indications of the other chart. Now you are saying other stuff so you need quotes and article title : [/QUOTE]The map shows human geneotypes that developed in Africa yet many of them are more frequent, would model as more diverse outside of Africa and would be found in the oldest Eurasian burials. Since all of the European genotypes were born in Africa this means that all of the ancient European burials would have them. Do you see what I mean now? [QUOTE] keep in mind also article is 12 years old. You can do confirmation bias and stop at the first thing you like or try to find what current opinion is and consider the origin may not be resolved Look at the wiki and look at the bottom references to journal articles for something more recent. there is a lot of stuff there, dont just stop looking at articles because you found one you like politically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C-M130 [/QUOTE]No study that I know has ever found C in Africa. Nat Geo use to have it on their heat maps. The reason the study modeled an African origin is in relation to the clades that are near Africa. They probably have knowledge of an overlapping chromosome relationship with Africans and East Asians too. [IMG]http://blog.nationalgeographic.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/M130.jpg[/IMG] Kinda looks like D [IMG]https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2020-02/1581757850_3_-haplogroup_d_y-dna_migration.jpg[/IMG] The age of the article is irrelevant. Unless you have a study with different results what difference does it make? They were hyper-focused on C. Its not like they found a bunch of unresolved CF. This isn’t confirmation bias. I'm using two different examples. C doesn't have African clades. I wouldn’t expect Wiki to predict an African origin without an instance in Africa. Picture them claiming an African origin with zero frequency lolz. D0 is like 10 people. I'm surprised Wiki has an African origin for D. One had zero people and the other has 10. Its the same logic and technically there probably is more C in Africa than D. We both found maps with C but I have never seen a map with D. [QUOTE] But its just a theory [/QUOTE]Nobody is saying it isn’t. The origin of haplogroups are typically theoretical since we weren’t there to see them mutate. My point was that people can model an African origin without frequency, diversity and ancient burials. [QUOTE] So with this distribution why should people of African descent care if 70,000 years ago the D founder was in Africa?[/QUOTE]If(theory) C and D can do it without frequency, diversity, and burials so can J. [QUOTE] So what about haplogroup J ? I would say it's not impossible that originated in Africa. So if you are an African person of haplogroup J then you might consider the possibility. But if your haplogroup is E or A or B or R1b or whatever it doesn't have much to do with you. This is how I see it. And anything having to do with civilizations we know about is many thousands of years more recent So that aspect doesn't go many thousands of years earlier to prehistoric people Here is C Europeans are more African on average than these C carriers [/QUOTE][IMG]https://media.tenor.com/vyry29U5QrQAAAAM/vid-stickers-uploads.gif[/IMG] Point remains. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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