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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by mightywolf: [qb] Yemen is quite diverse, with a large, long, and well-established Afro-Arab community. Afro-Arabs are Arabs of full or partial Black African descent. As a result, you can find Horner or Yoruba-like ancestry among Yemenites. Moreover, showing extremely tanned Bedouins, Afro-Yemenites, or visibly SSA-admixed individuals doesn‘t prove that the haplogroup J is African. [i]Presenting images of random Yemenis and deciding that they are "indigenous" is not a scholarly approach.[/i] Once again, there is a sizable Afro-Arab community all over the Arab Peninsula... [/qb][/QUOTE]It’s not just Yemen but the Arabian peninsula in general that is quite diverse, though I should warn you that not all the black inhabitants of that region are “Afro-Arab”. Arabia lies along the same latitude as not only Egypt but Sudan and Eritrea with the Arabian plate once being connected to the Nubian plate. [IMG]http://africa-arabia-plate.weebly.com/uploads/2/5/8/0/25802803/2195601_orig.jpg[/IMG] So it should not be surprising that the indigenous or even aboriginal populations of the region should be no different in complexion from Africans across the Red Sea, even if they may not be of recent African ancestry. We have these descriptions of some Arabian tribes from early Western explorers: “[i]The inhabitants of this part of Arabia nearly all belong to the race of Himyar. Their complexion is almost as black as the Abyssinians,[/i]”-- Baron von Maltzan, 'Geography of Southern Arabia' (1872) “[i][the Hamida are] small chocolate colored beings, stunted and thin… with mops of bushy hair… straggling beards , vicious eyes, frowning brows … armed with scabbards slung over the shoulder and Janbiyyah daggers…” a people “of the great Hejazi tribe that has kept his blood pure for the last 13 centuries…[/i]”-- Sir Richard Burton (1879) “[i]The people of Dhufar are of the Qahtan tribe, the sons of Joktan mentioned in Genesis: they are of Hamitic or African rather than Arab types…[/i]”--Arnold Wilson, [i]The Geographical Journal[/i] (1927) “[i]the most prosperous tribe of all the Hamitic group, possessing innumerable camels, herds of cattle and the richest frankincense country. They resemble the Bisharin tribe of the Nubian desert. Men of big bone , they have long faces long narrow jaws, noses of a refined shape long curly hair and brown skin.[/i]”--Richmond Palmer (1929) “[i]Mahra is the Arab name for the Bedouin tribes who are different in appearance to other Arabs, having almost beardless faces, fuzzy hair and dark pigmentation – such as the Qarra, Mahra and Harasis… Also on “…the Qarra, Mahra and Harasis with parts of other tribes. The language is derived from the language of the Sabaeans, Minaeans and Himyarites. The Mahra with other Southern Arabian peoples seem aligned to the Hamitic race of north-east Africa… The Mahra are believed to be descended from the Habasha, who colonized Ethiopia in the first millennium BC[/i]”-- David Phillips, [i]Peoples on the Move[/i] (2001) “[i]European observers have made much of their physical resemblance to Somalis and Ethiopians, but there is no historical evidence of any connections.[/i]”-- E. Peterson, 'Oman’s Diverse Society: Southern Oman' “[i]Mr. Baldwin draws a marked distinction between the modern Mahomedan Semitic population of Arabia and their great Cushite, Hamite, or Ethiopian predecessors. The former, he says, ‘are comparatively modern in Arabia,’ they have ‘appropriated the reputation of the old race,’ and have unduly occupied the chief attention of modern scholars.[/i]”-- Charles Hardwick (1872) “[i]Among ‘these Negroid features which may be counted normal in Arabs are the full,rather everted lips, shortness and width of nose, certain blanks in the bearded areas of the face between the lower lip and chin and on the cheeks; large, luscious,gazelle-like eyes, a dark brown complexion, and a tendency for the hair to grow in ringlets. Often the features of the more Negroid Arabs are derivatives of Dravidian India rather than inheritances of Hamitic Africa. Although the Arab of today is sharply differentiated from the Negro of Africa, yet there must have been a time when both were represented by a single ancestral stock; in no other way can the prevalence of certain Negroid features be accounted for in the natives of Arabia.[/i]”-- Henry Field, [i]Anthropology Memoirs Volume 4[/i] (1902) “[i]The Cushites. the first inhabitants of Arabia, arc known in the national traditions by the name of Adites, from their progenitor, who is called Ad, the grandson of Ham.[/i]”-- F. Lenormant (1922) “[i]There is a considerable mass of evidence to show that there was a very close resemblance between the proto-Egyptians and the Arabs before either became intermingled with Armenoid racial elements.[/i]”-- Elliot Smith, [i]he Ancient Egyptians and the Origins of Civilization[/i] (1923) “[i]In Arabia the first inhabitants were probably a dark-skinned, shortish population intermediate, between the African Hamites and the Dravidians of India and forming a single African Asiatic belt with these.[/i]”-- [i]Handbook of the Territories which form the Theater of Operations of the Iraq Petroleum Company Limited and its Associated Companies[/i] Many European explorers have described the aboriginal populations variously as either “Hamitic”, “Veddoid” or even “Negrito”. The Mahra are just one of several South Semitic speaking groups still left in southern Arabia. By the way, all of the pictures I posted are NOT ‘Afro-Arabs’ but peoples from different Arabian tribes. [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Modern_South_Arabian_Languages.svg/500px-Modern_South_Arabian_Languages.svg.png[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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