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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey: [qb] I would believe Dana first about the color of Muhammad peace be upon him... before any conclusions reached by any posters on this board. “…all the peoples settled in the Harra besides the Banu Sulaym are black. These tribes take slaves from among the Eshban to mind their flocks and for irrigation work, manual labor, and domestic service, [b]and their wives from among the Byzantines…[/b] ” Al Jahiz of Iraq born 776 A.D. on the tribes of the region of Northwestern Arabia found in Al-Fakhar al-Sudan min al-Abyadh. “Red, in the speech of the people from the Hijaz, means fair-complexioned and this color is rare amongst the Arabs. This is the meaning of the saying, ‘… [b]a red man as if he is one of the slaves’. The speaker meant that his color is like that of the slaves who were captured from the Christians of Syria, Rome and Persia.[/b] ” From Al Dhahabi of Damascus Syria, in Seyar ‘Alam al-Nubala’a, (Biography of Eminent Nobles) cited on p. 55, The Unknown Arabs, 2002, by Tariq Berry. “As for the black sheep, they are the Arabs. They will accept Islam and become many. The white sheep are the non-Arab Persians and the like. They will accept Islam and become so many that the Arabs will not be noticed amongst them.” From the 15th c. writer, El-Suyuti of Egypt, in Taarikh in El Khulafaa quoting Abu Bakr “a companion” of the Prophet’s interpreting his dream. Cited on p. 80, in The Unknown Arabs, 2002. The irony of history is that early Arab-speaking historians and linguists made a distinction between the Arabs in Arabia and the fair-skinned peoples to the north, and contrary to what may be fact in our day, [b]in the days of early Islam, those called “Arabs” looked down condescendingly on fair-skinned populations and commonly used the phrase “fair-skinned as a slave”[/b] when describing individuals in tribes in the peninsula that were pale in complexion. According to the text Iqd el Farid or the Precious Necklace of Ibn Rabbu or Rabbih of Cordoba (born 860 A.D. ), there were very few things as “rare” and “unthinkable” as a fair-skinned Arab. Of course, today due mainly to slavery and conversion of peoples to the “Arab” nationality, the opposite is thought to be true by many in the West. This is a good 20 minute video on the SLAVIC slave ( redundant) also helped to whiten north africa/levant arabia aka greater africa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU2KwlWL1Us #Slavic #Slaves #History Introduction to the Slavic Slave Trade [/qb][/QUOTE]The Saqaliba (Slavic) slave trade was indeed a major factor in the whitening of Arabia, with Saqaliba women being highly prized concubines. Again, the jury is out for me as for Muhammad being black since there are many Hadiths describing him as "white" and even his sahaba calling for a death penalty on those who call him black. The main point I want to make is that Muhammad did not even originate in Arabia but in a more northern area either Jordan or Iraq. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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