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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by BrandonP: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] Goldenberg explains that the Land of Canaan was inhabited by a variety of peoples and tribes though its "Hamitic" identity was ascribed specifically to natives in the southern areas around the Negeb and Edom who were described as "dark-skinned" or "kushi". This well could be a memory of Natufian descendants in the area. [/qb][/QUOTE]Makes sense. There's also the Shulammite woman in the Biblical "Song of Songs" book who describes herself as "black, but comely". She could very well be one of those Natufian descendants you mentioned. [/qb][/QUOTE][IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/04/35/V55ZOgjP_o.png[/IMG] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_Songs Song of Songs The most reliable evidence for its date is its language: Aramaic gradually replaced Hebrew after the end of the Babylonian exile in the late 6th century BCE, and the evidence of vocabulary, morphology, idiom and syntax clearly point to a late date, centuries after King Solomon to whom it is traditionally attributed. It has parallels with Mesopotamian and Egyptian love poetry from the first half of the 1st millennium, and with the pastoral idylls of Theocritus, a Greek poet who wrote in the first half of the 3rd century BCE; as a result of these conflicting signs, speculation ranges from the 10th to the 2nd centuries BCE, with the language supporting a date around the 3rd century. ______________________________ @Djehuti It's highly usual for an ancient text like the bible for a person to say that they are a color or for someone else to say they are a color We might find references to "black skinned" but it it is highly rare to find a statement like this: "I am black" or "She was black" and not have any reference to skin in the statement (although in modern times this happens all the time and is how millions of people identify themselves - as a color) But looking at this Solomon verse it seems fair to assume that whoever wrote it when describing a person as "black but..." means that whatever group they are from they would not call themselves black, otherwise she would not be pointing out that she was black, they would all be or most of them We don't know exactly how the person would define "black" who wrote this verse in Song of Solomon. Would it be safe to assume, that if by Middle Eastern location that whoever wrote this is a person some shade of brown? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [IMG]https://n7.alamy.com/zooms/6cc1280d39324daebfe3368bc384bdeb/yemen-yemeni-man-hwd6ea.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://borgenproject.org/wp-content/uploads/9723498747_3712fd992f_z-1.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]So in your estimation could people as dark as these young, if they lived in the time that Song of Solomon was written could they have written a statement that excluded them from being black? I think it's safe to assume that whoever wrote Song of Solomon was not part of a group of people that were as light was the average Western European My question is what is the darkest they could have been and still not have called themselves "black"? [IMG]https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.sciencephoto.com%2Fimage%2Fc0046229%2F800wm%2FC0046229-Hamar_Woman.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=2dce1fedcc00ebd63594d6f06cfef733a99b16734c37cc048b1455403e4fda83&ipo=images[/IMG] https://www.pinterest.com/pin/236720524134093402/ Hamar girl near Turmi. Omo Valley, Ethiopia © Johan Gerrits She is not the darkest Ethiopian or the lightest but her skin tone is common I'm wondering when the Song says "black, but comely" if she would be dark enough from the perspective of whoever wrote that Her skin is pretty close to be similar to those Arab men So I'm wondering to what group being black would be and exception to, but there are also metaphoric possibilities so we don't really know how literal it is [QUOTE] [b]Lamentations 4:7-8 7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire: 8 Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.[/b] [/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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