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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey: Lioness has spent over a decade on this forum trying to imply that white skin, red/blone hair and blue eyes were indigenous to North Africa and Ancient Egypt. Implying this by mostly spamming pictures of blonde mummies, blue eyed Egyptian statues, and Egyptian depictions of blonde or white european like libyans. Now DNA science has disproved this, blonde hair and blue eyes is a late development in Europe subject to selective sweep in the last 5000k years. and truth be told it was the pre historic europeans who where dark skinned lol [/QUOTE]stop the BS. Other people, since page 1 people have mentioned blonds, me not once All you are doing is to try to pretend I did to try to discredit with fakery Any genuine critique of me will need to include a quote of me. The thread title is "When did North Africans acquire light skin color?" I don't care about that Nevertheless blue eyes in the region is kind of interesting. Sometimes dark skinned Africans have them also dark skinned [URL=https://www.livescience.com/20078-gene-mutation-blond-hair.html]Solomon Islanders[/URL] (as well as kids with 5-10% blond hair) and I noticed them on a brown skinned Libyan of the 18th dynasty and then Brandon showed a 12th dynasty image from Beni Hasan which seems to be Libyan and show a person with green or blue eyes. [IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/fe/a8/ung0deqB_o.png[/IMG] This is around 15Kya, North Africa Haplogroups maternal haplogroups H, U, R0, JT, J, T, These are considered originating outside of Africa That may have implications for physical appearance assuming that's important [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey: Blondes came to North Africa during the Bronze age collapse [/QUOTE]You're just making that up it may or may might be true. And if it is there could have been earlier periods also The Late Bronze Age collapse was a time of widespread societal collapse during the 12th century BC, between c. 1200 and 1150 The Vandal Kingdom or Kingdom of the Vandals and Alans was a confederation of Vandals and Alans, which is one of the barbarian kingdoms established under Gaiseric, a Vandal warrior probably born near Lake Balaton (present-day Hungary), though this is uncertain. He became king of the Vandals in Spain and the confederation ruled in North Africa and the Mediterranean from 435 to 534 AD. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa Bey: Now DNA science has disproved this, blonde hair and blue eyes is a late development in Europe subject to selective sweep in the last 5000k years. and truth be told it was the pre historic europeans who where dark skinned lol Now DNA science has disproved this, blonde hair and blue eyes is a late development in Europe subject to selective sweep in the last 5000k years. and truth be told it was the pre historic europeans who where dark skinned lol [/QUOTE]Bronze Age collapse 1,150 + now, 2024 = about 3,000 year ago If the selective sweep was 5000k and Eurasian DNA in North Africa goes back at a least to 15K there could have been some blonds and blue eyed within that going back to the 5,000 year point but it is unknown But this is assuming European genetics. The blue eyes and blond hair in the Solomon Islands are are caused by a different gene than the one that makes it occur in Europeans However Europe is much closer to Africa [IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/f4/b8/LZUejpI7_o.png[/IMG] Ok, lets say about 1960 BC + now, 2024 = about 4,000 years ago Doug, Yatunde thinks these are Europeans what do you think? I'm not sure about it. This stuff is basically guessing since all we know about the Libyans depicted in Egyptian art is only from their art and a little bit of Egyptian writing At minimum some of the Iberomaurusian are dated 10K others, 12-15K or perhaps even earlier. That data above if from Rym Kefi, they had samples from 23 Taforalt and 8 Afalou, whereas Loosdrecht study was only 7, all were U6 except one was M1 but his article had the Y-DNA which was E1b1b1a1 (M-78) Iberomaurusians may or may not have been dark, could have been caramels or anything but skin color ain't everything, it's just skin deep (not even to the deeper layers) [IMG]https://elimufeynman.s3.amazonaws.com/media/resources/San.jpg[/IMG] Some San here, Southern Africa Some are mixed with bantus which might make some darker But many are somewhat light like this, however with features unlike the 18th dynasty representations of Libyans or Europeans Yatunde, how long do you think many of these San people have been light-ish like this? I don't think it's due to Eurasian admixture, their features and hair don't look like it. Some have mixed with Europeans in recent times but probably less so with people like this apparently still living in the bushlands [IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/ce/2c/7Dk7Eehs_o.png[/IMG] Libyan from one of Tutankhamun's footstools https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/d6/99/edd6991c67f039359679d6ae6fa7aa34.jpg [/QB][/QUOTE]
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