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[QUOTE]Originally posted by LoStranger: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb]It's problematic since the use of this term is profoundly oversimplifying certain realities and misleading. Moreover, it can be employed in deeply racist ideological discourses seeking to appropriate the heritage of other populations.[/qb][/QUOTE]I don't disagree with this and this is precisely the reason why modern anthropologists have abandoned using terms like "Black/White/Negroid/Caucasoid to describe especially ancient populations. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb]As I have emphasized many times, there is no reason to associate populations solely based on a shared dark skin color if they do not share a genetic heritage, culture, or even certain anatomical traits.[/qb][/QUOTE]Again I think what is truly at the heart of this issue is what is biologically an African and what is not. Association with skin color of course is problematic since there are SO many populations outside of Africa with darker skin colours. That's why I think it's important to emphasize skin colour [b]AND[/b] "Africaness" (genetically) [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb]The term "black", as understood today, is defined not only by dark skin but also by particular hair types and distinctive physical features.[/qb][/QUOTE]This part I disagree with. That's not what the term "Black" means that's what the term "Negroid" means. This is why I can't fault Afrocentrics for playing the "African Skin color game" because it's no different to what Europeans did. Notice how people had no issue with defining "Blackness" by Negroidness however when people expand Blackness to in-cooperate non-Negroid populations of Africa then all of a sudden folks don't like it. [b]Remember when folks use to refer to the Nubians as "The Black slaves of Non-Black Caucasoid Egyptians"[/b] I'm sorry but they shouldn't have started this game if they didn't want to play it all the way. Like don't pick up your ball and leave now that folks have found a way to fight back against these classifications that black people didn't even start. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb]That's why today you have populations with very dark skin in North Africa, Arabia, or India, yet no one considers them black, and they can be distinguished quite well. In genetics as well.[/qb][/QUOTE]I partially agree with this point. While different skin colours and features can span many different populations. The major difference is those populations you mentioned particularly Arabia and India aren't Africans. The genetic and biology of North Africans are not as a cut and dry of course but large portions of their ancestry are also Non-African even in (Ancient times). It's sort of like how you can get some phenotype crossover between West/Central Africans and Melaniasians/Ogne obviously these people are not Africans despite them sometimes resembling West and Central Africans. because they lack African DNA. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb]it is quite straightforward to differentiate a component shared by many Eurasian and North African populations from that found in West or Central Africa.[/qb][/QUOTE]Yes that's true but the keyword here is Eurasian Of course an African can't claim any Eurasianess because it's an ancestry which came outside of continent. However I employ the words of Keita: There is more then one way to be [b]African[/b] Again if folks have an issue with West Africans claiming Ancient Nubians through the lens of "Pan-Blackness" then folks need to show that same concern with other groups too like Nilotes, Pygmy's Sandawes and San Bushmen since they're genetically different to West and Central Africans. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb]A Berber with light skin from the remote mountains of the Atlas is genetically and physically closer to these Nubians than a West African, and yet, with the label "black", one would think the opposite... [/qb][/QUOTE]Berbers with fair skin are largely Eurasian descended and have been for a long time honestly. What a West African shares with a Nubian [b](if they in fact turn out to mostly genetically African)[/b] is that they're both [b]indigenous[/b] Africans. BTW before you mention the Eurasian genetics of Nubians. There's just too many holes in Ancient African genetic substructures at the moment. These populations as well as Ancient Egyptians could very well have copious amounts of Ancestral North African genetic markers. Also let us not forget Basal Eurasian which is another genetic marker that could be within groups like Ancient Egyptians, Nubian, Horners. could very well be African we just don't know yet. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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