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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] ^ The modern name of 'Nubia' comes from the current Nilo-Saharan speaking auto-ethnonym 'Nuba' and is purely coincidental to ancient Nubia/Nubt. To Doug, you seem to have an issue with certain writings that you cite from those scholars. Take it up with them. But in the meantime, the Egyptians did distinguish the land to their south as Ta-Nhsy which is what Greeks called 'Aethiopia' and Romans 'Nubia'. But getting back to my original point, the Egyptians did distinguish Ta-Seti khst, that is foreign, from Ta Seti the 1st sepat. Hence you have this petroglyph in Lower Ta-Nhsy dating to the 1st Dynasty showing a victory by Hor-Aha over the native foes. [IMG]https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fadbd0054e7da3f45d4129192fd90459-lq[/IMG] To complicate things slightly further here is a 2003 [URL=https://books.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/propylaeum/reader/download/289/289-30-78784-1-10-20170822.pdf]paper[/URL] explaining how Lower Nubia also underwent a similar process of unification via conflict with Sayala and Qustul once two separate polities before being unified but by then it was too late beause Shemau was already united. [/qb][/QUOTE]I don't know what the issue here is because there is no disagreement other than semantics, which is the point of the thread. There was no ancient "nubia" is a fact and the reason that I am calling it out is because scholarship on the subject links all of them together as one entity and really doesn't make a distinction. Ta Seti, Ta Nehesi , Nubia and Africa are synonyms in most scholarship. Therefore, to get to the ancient distinction between Ta Seti as the first nome and the older independent kingdom of Ta Seti and the later Ta Nehesu, you would need to use other means of distinguishing the two groups other than "Nubian". Other than that, I am not in disagreement with your point in general, other than the semantics of the term. Because everybody doesn't use the term 'Nubia' in the same way and that is why I don't use it. Like I have said many times before, nobody uses the term France for the same region 5,000 years ago. And that same logic applies to "Nubia" and coming to a better understanding of the actual cultural and political distinctions on the Nile in the predynastic and early dynastic. In the various papers I noted they all seem to say that Qustul, which is near the second cataract was the home of the so called "A-Group" which likely aligns with the original seat of power of Ta Seti. Qustul is near the 2nd Cataract. So it could be that an element of the A-Group was absorbed into the early dynastic state which became the first Nome, while remnants of the original Ta-Seti based in Qustul remained separate after dynastic unification. Which goes back to your point about Ta Seti the frontier or Ta Nehesi. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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