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R1b-V88, common to Toubou, Siwa Egyptians and (possibly) Amarna
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shebitku: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by ElMaestro: So, at least in africa we have one of those cases where a mt haplogroup (U5b) is clearly linked with a paternal Haplogroup (V88). With that Assumption we can guess that [b]V88 have been in Egypt for atleast 4000 years. Which gives us a margin of about 4.5 thousand years for earlier dispersal. Couple that with the fact that deeply diverged V88 lineages are in Siwa, I can estimate that Egypt was one of the earlier terminals for V88[/b][/QUOTE]If V88 has been in Egypt for atleast 4000 years, I presume it's reasonable to say that the Siwans are infact a remnant of an ancient Egyptian population, not slave descendants, as some would have you believe. [QUOTE]Originally posted by DougM: The Toubou are Africans and R1b-V88 even if it originated in EUrope, doesn't make them any less African, no more than E1b in Europe makes them less European.[/QUOTE]V-88 is definitely a African lineage today even though ultimately it doesn't originate in Africa. The Toubou also are definitely Africans, but are they "black" Africans? You will notice that somebody like Albinolass doesn't want to touch any of these more "robust" Hamites with a 500m stick since many of them resemble exactly what he considers to be the "true Nigger". [/QB][/QUOTE]
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