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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] ^Did you notice that your paper has the Herto boy with recent humans, while the Herto adult is with so-called 'archaics'? That's exactly the evidence I wanted to see confirmed (see my second post where I said I'm waiting for clarification). Will have to go over it closely, to make sure I get everything from it. I also want to see if they elaborate on this massive morphological distance between these two Herto fossils and the fact that this means that adult Herto isn't in our lineage, at all. (imagine if Oase I is not ancestral to later Europeans/Eurasians, how far removed Herto must be given how similar he looks to the photographs of Kabwe in the 2003 White et al paper. [In the White et al paper the Herto adult, to me, looks like a cross/hybrid between the photographs of Qafzeh 9 and Kabwe, while Herto boy looks like neither and closer to us living humans]). [QUOTE]Yes, I concur but do you agree with the general idea that Niger-Congo speakers and (southern)Nilo-Saharan speakers tend to cluster together metrically while northern (Nubian) Nilo-Saharans, Afroasiatics and some Niger-Congo (Tutsi) speakers cluster together?[/QUOTE]The way I see it, some groups out of the language groups you mention, are the most distinctive (physically) out of the other members in their language groups. Nilotes are the most distinctive out of Nilo-Saharans, southern African Bantu speakers are the most distinctive out of Bantu speakers in certain ways, and so on. I can't think of a good group among West/Central Africans right now, that is distinctive among non-Bantu Niger-Congo speakers, but I'm pretty sure West Africans have such a standout group as well (standout defined as morphologically unique to some degree, like Nilotes, but not due to Eurasian ancestry, as the case of some Sahelian groups). But the point is, if you look at it like this, you shouldn't get anything resembling that Froment graphic where populations are close. But you might get that if you don't have a representative sample of language groups and leave out the distinctive members of each language group. For instance, based on their genetics it wouldn't surprise me if Luo representatives of Nilo-Saharan speakers would group close to Niger-Congo speakers. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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