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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: Sure thing. As it comes to more recent skeletal remains, I've been looking into the Neolithic and Bronze Age remains in Yemen and Oman but I don't see any anthropological assessment. The few sources I've seen only briefly describe them as "Mediterranean".[/QUOTE]While looking into Arabian skeletal remains, be prepared to find lots of references to "Mediterranean" as well as reports/announcements of excavations that 'somehow' have no anthro assessments. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Askia_The_Great: I've dated Horners and other Africans here in the USA and on the continent. Horners in general are very insular which can be tough but.... If you have your shit together, not a bum, come correct and no hating ass man(especially for Somalis) you definitely have a chance. And I don't care what these weirdo Hamitic supremacists(THEM not ALL Horners especially Somalis) online say but Somali women are definitely "curious" about men of "West African descent." To be honest I find them(Somali women) easier than Ethiopian women specifically [b]when their men aren't mateguarding hard[/b]. Now marriage is a totally different story... As for me? I dated a lot of East Africans(not just Horners), only 1 West African(Ivory Coast), a Moroccan when I was a teenager([b]she was Americanized/nonreligious)[/b] and lots of South Africans in South Africa. I can also show pics. lol. [/QUOTE]Yes, the bolded makes all the difference in the world. Here in western Europe, to get involved in those situations you have to know how to move or you might as well avoid those situations. Google 'honor killings' to see what I mean. There was [URL=https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/5-chilling-details-amina-sarah-said-s-murders]one case in the US as well with an Egyptian girl and a black kid[/URL]. Her father killed her and her sister and the black kid had to go into hiding). Of course, it's mostly not that dangerous, but in my experience interference is always a lurking problem. As I told my friend who is into those "off limits" girls, you can't approach this like a normal date situation because people can come up to you out of nowhere, and they may not even know her. All they know is she looks MENA and that's enough for them. With the mixed girl there was no such issue in public because she looked like a mulatta (she looked a bit like Veil from Into the Badlands, if you want to know). This made it so I could let my guard down in public. If you feel this is going too off topic, you can PM me your response back. I do want to know how you deal with the part about outsiders interfering. [QUOTE]Not to ask a dumb question but I assume "Ethio-Somali" is [b]basically another word for "indigenous Northeast African"[/b] I assume? But yea the Afar region is more isolated especially compared to the Oromo region which borders "non-Ethio-Somali" areas. My brother in law's father who is Oromo(his mother is Amhara) looks more Nilo-Saharan than Cushite in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Correct. It's the NE African in Horners. Probably to get the true NE African you would have to include samples like Nuerat and Natufians and you'd also get a component that is slightly different in affinity (for instance, in the fst table, Ethio-Somali is pretty interemdiate, but I don't think the properly captured NE African component would be so intermediate). [QUOTE]I've constantly read that Somalis are the best representation of "Cushite" speakers in the region when it comes to samples. And yea [b]M1 is a very ancient lineage in that region and one of the best hints for indigenous Northeast African imo. Correct me.[/b][/QUOTE]I still have yet to put the pieces of the puzzle together regarding early mtDNA M1 (ie where it went after splitting frrom mtDNA L3 and M). But after the LGM/during postglacial times, I think it's safe to say that lineages like mtDNA M1 were part of the mtDNA pool of the populations from the Maghreb to the Rift Valley. The East African portion of this metapopulation that Horners, but especially Somalis seem to have mixed with, seem to have included populations that used backed blades (note: not backed blade[i]lets[/i] as in Egypt and the Maghreb). See quotes below of the blade (but not microlithic) industries, and note the timing coincides with the LGM and later, much like certain mtDNA M1a haplogroups: [i]In the Ethiopian section of the Rift Valley, the beginnings of the [b]local blade tradition[/b] using obsidian probably go back to more than 27,000 B.P. (Gase and Street 1978: 290) and [b]certainly to 22,675 ‡ 500 B.P.[/b] on the evidence of excavations at Lake Besaka (Clark, in press). At Laga Oda in the escarpment hills south- west of Dire Dawa, the microlithic industry, using most- ly chert, is 15.000 years old (Clark and Prince 1978).[/i] [i]In East Africa, there are dates in the 20,000*s B.P. for the fully microlithic industry using chert, quartz and obsidian, of backed blades, lunates and fan-shaped scrapers at Lukenya Hill (S.F. Miller, pers, com.) (Fig. 3, nos. 1-5). This locality, overlooking the Athi Plains near Nairobi in Kenya, also yielded, with a simi- lar industry, a fragmentary cranium of Modern Man dating to c. 17,700 B.P. (Gramly 1976). At [b]Nasera, in northern Tanzania, the earliest blade industry (Layer 4) has many backed blades[/b] and outils esquillés in chert and quartz and there is an amino acid racemisation [b]date on bone of 18,000 B.P.[/b] The same industry occurs also in Layer 5 which must, ipso facto, be even earlier (Mehlman 1977). What is probably the [b]same industry in obsidian and chert is present in the Naisiusiu beds at the Olduvai[/b][/i] The Microlithic Industries of Africa: Their Antiquity and Possible Economic Implications https://brill.com/edcollchap/book/9789004644472/B9789004644472_s020.xml [/QB][/QUOTE]
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