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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Elmaestro: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by BrandonP: [qb] This might be off-topic, but since you guys mentioned mate-guarding as a phenomenon... I think "mate-guarding" is something a lot of heterosexual men across ethnic lines do. The White supremacist male paranoia about Black or other men of color preying on White women is the most infamous example, and it remains pervasive enough for the porn industry to pander to it with all the "cuck" porn out there, but I also know from personal experience that Black separatist men can be the same way toward White men and Black women. Trying posting a picture of a White male/Black female couple in a Black speculative-fiction fan community and you will see what I mean. Not all or even most of the Black male posters in those groups are separatists, yes, but you can't deny pro-Black spaces attract Black nationalists like meat attracts flies. Sometimes it's not even "their" women whose honor these mate-guarding men claim to defend. I've seen Black women post comments about how some of the Black men who talk shit about Black women nonetheless target White men who date Black women, as well as Black men commenting about White men in Asian countries getting angry at them for dating Asian women, as if those White dudes thought that only they had the right to date Asian women. It's like these dudes have no qualms about dating across ethnic lines themselves but won't tolerate other dudes doing the same. In fact, you could make an argument that some of the White supremacist men who made such a big deal about Black men preying on White women after Emancipation were inspired by White male slaveholders' treatment of their Black female slaves. Regardless of ethnicity or culture, too many straight men in this world absolutely have a problem with being possessive toward women and territorial towards male competition, as if they were stags locking antlers and chasing each other off. It brings to mind the evolutionary psychologist claim that it's in the reproductive interest of male animals to impregnate as many females as they can while keeping away any competition. Regardless of how much credence you place in evolutionary psychology, it is an uncanny resemblance of how a lot of straight men in patriarchal cultures think. [/qb][/QUOTE]You can't expect complete repression of innate human tendencies. And if that was possible you'd have to ask what we'd lose in doing do. Building what we consider "Societies" isn't particularly necessarily but we tend towards doing so for same reasons we tend to mate-guard. There's no sociological way to wash it away without sacrificing something we conventionally view as healthy. Not a justification for honor-killing or anything. However, honor-killing (as a result of failure to mate-guard or to prevent interracial or cultural relations by eliciting fear) within itself is a biproduct of failure to reconcile with human tendencies. --anywho, this point is a bit off topic. I'll respond to you question about G25 in a bit. It's just that I posted about it quite a few times on this site. I want to reference my previous postings. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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