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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] ^ The Tutsi ARE Bantu in that they speak a Bantu language-- the same one as the Hutu-- to whom are they are closest related to. That said, language and culture are different from physical population. The last time the Tutsi genomics was discussed was [URL=https://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=010788;p=2#000058]here[/URL]. The tragic irony is that the attempted genocide of the Tutsi was based on the lie of their foreign "Hamitic" origins. By the way [QUOTE]Originally posted by Elijah The Tishbite: [qb] I agree that those East African crania may not cluster with Bantus, but they do cluster with Bantu populations like Tutsi, and with Nilotics who both have faces that are have little to no prognathism and straight noses. These East African remains also have tropically adapted limb ratios. Where do y'all say this look came from? [/qb][/QUOTE]I think if one wants to properly assess genetic relations via crania, then nonmetric traits are the best way to go. Speaking of which, getting back to the issue of Ethiopians and Somalis, at least for the latter case we have dental non-metric data from [URL=https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.24052]Irish 2020[/URL] showing the [URL=https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/80b6cb09-d6e4-4eb3-859d-68c80a33662a/ajpa24052-fig-0005-m.jpg]following[/URL]: [IMG]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/cms/asset/b932d8e6-52df-4407-a243-74eea233bd09/ajpa24052-fig-0002-m.png[/IMG] The Somali position is intermediate between Southern Africans and North Africans, with the latter having more "Eurasian" autosomal affinities. The Kikuyu are intermediate between the South African samples and the West African samples, while Senegambians as a West African sample is intermediate to North African samples and other West African samples which confirm Irish’s past analyses. Past studies show that in contrast to Ethiopians, Somalis do not cluster as closely with North Africans but are marginal to them, yet their intermediate position to South Africans makes me think of a genetic study showing how many Somalis carry a substratum of hunter-gatherer ancestry associated with click-speaking groups like the Hadza. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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