posted 15 June 2004 03:24 PM            

I have read all you say and no it is not our place to judge you.. only god can do that... and how you live your life is not for others to tell you.

You have written here honestly and I am sure you have helped in your way for women to understand... if not excuse... what you do and why... so we should be thankful for that honesty. You say at this time in your life it is so hard for you to stop your extra marital relationships .... so I will ask you now if there is one change that you could make... Ahmed I ask you from my heart if you could stop the lies and dishonesty. If a women then chooses to enter a relationship with you, with her eyes open then so be it. As to your wife I am sure she is not stupid. Any Egyptian women must know it is going to be very hard for an Egyptian man to remain faithful if she only makes love with him twice a year. So in a way she has made her decision and in fact has herself put a big stain on your marriage. You clearly love each other and I truly hope you can both keep this all together for the sake of your childrens future happiness.

Life is life, it's never easy, it's never black and white.

posted 15 June 2004 03:29 PM            

You accused me of talking about myself well in a way I guess I am because my husband was sort of in your situation married to an Egyptian woman and fell in love with a Westerner. What did he do, he married me and both his first wife and I get along fine. He has never been with any other women than his two wives. She knows about me and I know about her. Nobody has been hurt, nobody has been lied too. He can say he is a good Muslim.

I am very, very proud of him and his honesty and integrity and so is his Egyptian wife. We were talking together about the qualities in him that we admired and both of us said his honesty. His friends are so impressed with the way life has worked out for him and all say it is because he has been honest that Allah has blessed him. Wouldn't you rather have that than the situation you are in.

posted 15 June 2004 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by ahmed2004:

...but realy i tried once to talk about with my wife[having another wife]she refused even the discussion about it!!!and then she was very depressed,and sad most of the time,
she gave me choises;to live with her as she is or to divorce her immediatly as soon as i think of getting another wife,
yes i confess may be some few egyptians womens would accept living side by side with another wife of her husband's life but unless not my wife,that's can be due to the way how she was raised,[she is the only daughter between four guys in her family]so she is ver stbburn person,when she say she do!!!
and she is very well educated so sociaty ,between her freinds and our relatives she cannot imagin the situation of living with another wife in my life,
from time to time she get worry about my life out side because she has doubts that iam doing that with the others!!,i have to confess i do calm her down,that she is the only one in my life,
but ofcourse i do what ever i want with another women!!!

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You really do need help from somewhere to see what you are doing to yourself and other people. May Allah bring it to you soon!!

posted 16 June 2004 08:56 AM            

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Originally posted by kamar:
Ahmed,you must understand this : much gir meet egyptian boy in their life,by chance,much girl love really this boy,with all they heart,and after???? you know that he is married, that he have only play with you....and all die in you.....
maybe you tell the true to girls you go but all the other boys what they lie without shame,what they lie only for having a passport,to have gifts,what they delude us without pity.....how do you see everything this?????
you believe me,all is very sad.....too much sad.....

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posted 16 June 2004 09:00 AM            

I wrote: RABENA YEHDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK mesh YEHEDAK ..haram aleik ya ragel!!!( have pity man)

Translation:
Rabena yehdeek: God calms you
Rabena yehedak: destroy you..

My post is still there so what did I write and wish?????

posted 16 June 2004 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by ahmed2004:
waw it seems all of you are angels and all the egyptian me are devil!!!honstly iam married and iam working by the tourism field,though my wife is not good in making love[i mean she cannot do it good all the time,and its out of her hands because of circumcision]but i love her so much because she is very kind women looking carfuly after me and my kids,,,,but at the same time i cannot control my self of having sex with forngners womens,,!!!yes i know all of you will think iam doubled man,,no iam not,,because most of the womens,whom i had sex with them doesnot care if iam married or not,,
yes i lie,but my lies depend of the women's age and beauty,if she is 20 to 27 i tell her iam not married,,,then i have sex with her,,,in case she is 27 till 32 i tell her iam divorced and i have kids,,if she is 33 till 39 i tell her iam married but i have some problems with my wife,!!!
second it depend of her beauty if she is very beautiful then i lie what i maintioned before if she is not then i can tell her the truth that iam married and most of the time they accept though they know iam married,,,which means[womens acting not due to the morality as you want to show how you are martyrs!!!!but they behave as the chances which they get according to their beauty and the atmosfeers,,,,,,
at the same time iam using orfi married which i think its right[halal]
but i would like to tell you that i have never accept any gifts or money from the forngers womens,because easly i have a very high income,,so no need and most of the time i pay every thing when she is coming again to me,,and i never had sex with aguly women or with over ages womens[by the way when iam saying over ages ,for me it means over 39 years old,,,]
so welcome to egypt but you should be under that age,,,hahahha

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eih el-khara dah?
Have you ever thought that your miserable sex life may not be your wife's fault entirely
How would you like it if she sought satisfaction elsewhere? I mean she would still love you and be married to you because you are a kind man and all. Gameel mosh kedah?
FYI, orfi marriage is only halal when it is public, i.e. when your wife knows about it and approves of it. Secret marriage is 7aram.
It is physically possible to stop yourself from having sex with western (or non-western) women, science says so unless you have hormonal imbalance in which case as others have said, you need medication. So your lust must be just "danawa" and "faraghet ein". Maybe it's your upbringing, were you an only son? Do you think fooling around raises your status in society

And by talking about this you made it public info and fair game, so it's everyone's f*cking buisness, unless you regret it in which case just ask a mod to delete your responses.

posted 16 June 2004 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by ahmed2004:
still iam offering any beautiful young girl,who want to have plesure in egypt to meet me,,and donot look behind you to those people whom got all the chances of thier poor life,and now they only setting behind the net to complecate the other ppl lifes,,,
ya akh kimo [enta awsakh men el khara]hahahah

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Hope the beautiful Lorrena Bobit visits Egypt very soon and meets Ahmed2004

posted 16 June 2004 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by ahmed2004:
since i start this topic iam asking every boddy to dicuss by respictive way,but it seems no way!!and they insist to attacks me by very dirty way,,
so iam sorry to the other member,i decided to insult those people,who is under level,
SO KARINA ARE YOU STILL FEELING YOU ARE WOMEN?AND HOW MANY MEN CHEATED YOU?AND HOW OLD ARE YOU MISS?I THINK YOU LOST ALL THE LIFE CHANCES TO FIND AMAN LOOKING AT YOU,,AM I NOT RIGHT?

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HAHAHAH I lost all my chances? Wake up, dude, I am in my 20s

For your info,

Yes, I am feeling very much like a woman and feel true compassion for your WIFE, but sorry I cannot say it is not right or wrong, it is different in your case, because it is plainly WRONG. And no I was never cheated and I never cheated myself. Age makes no difference here. So concentrate on yourself instead of analysing why people respond to your little stories so negatively. it is about time to look in the mirror for you

posted 16 June 2004 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by mimohaswan@hotmail.com:
katrina,jutta3,monica,akshar,newcomer,ahmed 2004 please can we stop all these nonsense talks,and insulting each other,because we are here no to do so! but to share our experiences about egyptians and lovely egypt,
though iam not agree with ahmed and what he is doing,but honesly i found it a good chance
to read and have another experience,which i have never seen in my life,
actauly i admired the honesty of ahmed to tell all what he is doing to cheat the life[every boddy]
and i believe if we attacks every one comes with his or her own experience,which may be we donot like it or agree with,soon we will find our selves turning around at the same topics,and the same circle!!
ahmed as you choose to tell your life secrets,so please be a little ready to recieve some attacks,because its a very sensetive subject which you involved in it!!and please stop your attacks by turn,,
wish all of you the best[mimoh]

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posted 16 June 2004 12:38 PM            

but this isn't the same as telling them the truth, as you must know...otherwise you wouldn't have different strategies depending on a woman's age/beauty.

what i would like to know is, why do you feel you are not wronging a western woman?

i am assuming you lie to some (and say you are single) because if you said you are married, the young beautiful foreigners would not agree to have sex with you even for one night.

i think many of the attacks you received from foreign women is because the way you write...it gives the impression that you think you are not wronging the western woman...after all she agrees to have sex with you if you are single, so it's ok to lie and say you are single even if you are not.

you write that you are well-traveled.

but what i want to know -- do you understand western women's morality? do you understand that most western women do not have sex with married men?

you must or you wouldn't be lying to the pretty ones, no?

i think this is why you are receiving negative responses...because you write as if there is no wrong in lying. there is. western women may have sex for one night only, but they also have morals.

if a western woman only wants to have fun with you - she will not care.

posted 16 June 2004 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by akshar:

You know what you are doing is wrong. Against Allah, against the Koran, against your wife, against your children and against those Western women.

The woman that started this thread could be your wife.

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I repeat what I said before.

You can not continue to deceive yourself. What you are doing is wrong and it hurts people.

posted 16 June 2004 07:00 PM            

plus your wife not wanting to have sex with you sounds very strange. how do you know she isn't cheating on you? sex every couple of months? that's what i would suspect. maybe she found out of your infidelity and decided to commit some of her own.

posted 16 June 2004 09:06 PM            

Allah yisamehh el gamee3 ... mesh ma3aool kidah...khalee el ehteram howa eli yekssab fil akher..men gheir kalam gamed...

Shukran.

posted 17 June 2004 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by ahmed2004:
second it seems to you very strange that my wife does not like to make love very often,HONESTLY no,its normal,its a big problem at the bigening of our marriage,and we traveled alot to many doctore trying to find solution but it was not possible,,even by medecations!!so donot try to use your imagination more than this,,she is not doing that out side!!!!

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I think that the answer is simple to this dilema and you didn't need to visit any doctors. It is a well know fact that women can be repulsed by a man to the point where they would rather chew their own arm off than have sex with you. Maybe you are just damn bad at the horizontal mumbo and she is happy that you don't come near her.

I can't imagine that the women you get giggy with are classy. Although, to give you the benefit of the doubt, some classy women may want a bit of rough every now and again and use someone like you if they want to go slumming.

Can someone correct me if I am wrong but I saw a tv program the other day and the deaths from AIDS worldwide was 28 million people. Does this mean that all these souls were "cheap street whores" ? Does this mean that all those deaths and all those other nasty STD's floating around out there have nothing to do with "classy" people ?

posted 17 June 2004 03:25 AM            

There is an increasing number of babies being born that are HIV positive - passed on from their mothers who caught it from their AC/DC husbands.

[This message has been edited by Luxorlover (edited 17 June 2004).]

posted 17 June 2004 11:55 AM            

Sorry man, this is complete BS. I have seen, over the years, many Egyptian sleezebags in the US. Some of them were even sons of very high placed government officials (I won't name names). I have seen Egyptians that break women's hearts, cheat and scam other people, and even met a few that backstabbed their fellow Egyptians.

On the other side of the coin, some of the best foreigners I met were while I was in Egypt. They were my teachers, university professors, classmates and friends.

The problem with the resorts is a symptom of two things, problems with Egyptian Society and problems with tourists in general. I once heard of a study that found that most single people who go on vacation tend be far more promiscuous (meaning they are 'easy') than they are in their normal environment. They are visiting a place where no one knows them for a short period of time, and they feel uninhibited and unrestricted. They don't care if people judge them because they won't be around for long. This is true of everyone and not only egyptians or foreigners.

The second cause of the problem is the repressive nature of Egyptian society. Everything is a taboo, so they will go to the resorts to interface with people who don't function by the same rules. This can be a single man who wants to experience intimacy without the ties of marriage or a married man who wants to experience things his wife will not do for him (or things that his wife will not allow him to do to her).

posted 17 June 2004 07:05 PM            

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Originally posted by ahmed2004:
hi every one again,,when i told what iam ,and what iam doing, i didnot expect receiving offenses and insulting as many members through it up towards me!!!!
and iam not asking every body to behave the same as me,,!!! because i know iam cheating my lovely wife,!!but honestly iam not cheating the other womens because i have been in europe before and all of you know what you call there[one night stand]!!!i have been to many night cliubs and i picked up a beautiful women,[sometimes she picked me up,,,it does not matter!!because iam a hand some guy!!!hahah]and we go to her place to what ever we want,then morning we say good bye and thanks it was great time,,
iam telling you that just to say it happened every were,its your habits,which you learn it to us,,and iam not feeling she is unrespective women,whom doing that with me,,
please we are only talking so donot make isultes,and try to respect each orther as you talking about that,,and to the one who say[ashame on you]thank you,it seems you are very polite person,!!!,,salam my dear angels,,,,

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posted 17 June 2004 07:22 PM            

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Originally posted by ahmed2004:
hi exptincai
what realy makes me write my own expereince here,although i can see from the first moment that this forum is womenly,and i expect i'll recieve cruelty attacks by them!!but i did all of that and spread my story away to every one,because i saw a lot of them just repeatedly,explaining how they were victims,and hunted by some bad egyptian guys,whom they call them[gegols,or something like that]
so i just came up to show them an example,does not need the money ,visa,mobiles,or perfumes as they saying!!
iam not feeling proudy by what iam doing,but believe me i just came to share them my experiences,as iam working with tourists more than 11 years,i didnot came here to make them sad or to say iam not wronging some western womens,no i did!!
but also i want to add most of the time i DO NO need to lie,because they would not ask about my sitaution,as well i donot care about what they have behind their backs.
yes i did traveled alot in my life,and i do understand the europeans culture,and the life style over there!!
and still i do think,the women does not loose her morality and respect when she accept to have a nice time with me even she knows or doesnot know iam a married man!!!
[iam not giving lessons]but still i insist i can be a good person though i have one point in my life,!!!because the word morality has many different sides!!h
hope no more attacks,,ahmed

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posted 17 June 2004 07:28 PM            

If Yes, Why?

Are you Good in Bed?
What makes you think so?

posted 19 June 2004 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by ahmed2004:
been in europe before and all of you know what you call there[one night stand]!!!i have been to many night cliubs and i picked up a beautiful women,[sometimes she picked me up,,,it does not matter!!because iam a hand some guy!!!hahah]and we go to her place to what ever we want,then morning we say good bye and thanks it was great time,,
iam telling you that just to say it happened every were,its your habits,which you learn it to us,,and iam not feeling she is unrespective women,whom doing that with me,,

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Topic: How long would you be able to stay, without having sex.?

Anna
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Posted: June 16 2004,14:42

For me the longest was 2 years and a half.
Lately,I made it twice last year in December and once in April of this year then...who knows?

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I like my men like my chocolate.Dark and rich.

Ziad
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Posted: June 16 2004,15:08
Hmmm…
Does this correspond to your trips to Egypt…..
Interesting….

As for me, if I don’t have sex for longer than a week, I start getting withdrawal symptoms.

Anna
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Posted: June 16 2004,15:20

Yes Ziad,
It does! And good one!

Anna

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Posted: June 16 2004,21:09

I agree with you Lori but it comes a time that you become so horny and you really need to make it, and if the guy just attracts you enough physically , you go even with no feeling of love...

posted 13 July 2004 01:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Karah_Mia:
Somewhere between the brutal honesty and evil cheating behaviour issues a valuable point has been missed here: FEMALE CIRCUMCISION. I wonder if this 'black magic' is still practiced??? (PLEASE SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOO) Ahmed clearly mentions it as the reason his wife does not 'perform' up to his standards in the sack. Well, how can she, for Pete’s sake, if the most sexually sensitive part of her body has been chopped off???!!! Vaginal orgasm happens as often as we can find a partner who is willing to work with the G spot very thoroughly (which is obviously not the Ahmed's case, as well as most of the men all over the globe, sadly), so what are the females after circumcision to do with their unsatisfied partners (not to even mention their own drama)???

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The figures are that 97% of Egyptian women are circumsised. If you search on that subject you will find a thread where this was discussed.

posted 13 July 2004 05:58 AM            

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Originally posted by akshar:

The figures are that 97% of Egyptian women are circumsised. If you search on that subject you will find a thread where this was discussed.

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posted 13 July 2004 07:02 AM            

Fortunately the government is taking the trouble to discourage it in the lst year by screening a lot of advertisements about young girls. It was outlawed in 1996 after a girl bled to death but it is still a widespread practice and the legality of what happens is largely ignored. There are a few European women in Luxor who are compaigning to get the practise stopped completely but they are having little success in re-educating people. It is not strictly an Islamic practise as it is as prevelent in the Chistian community.

Perhaps in your family in Cairo things were different as there seems to be a massive difference between what happens in the north and the south. If that was what happened to the women in that family then they will be giving thanks each day and there would be no need for the government to worry about the awful infection statistics.

In the south the old traditions are still firmly in place. Women are cicumscised very early in life (from a few months to a few years). Many different reasons have been put forward but control seems to be the main function. Also their is a belief that it will keep the young women chaste and avoid the avoid sexual indiscretion that is prevelent in the West.

Why would man complain about his wife's circumscision making sex difficult if only a bit of skin had been removed and her enjoyment hightened? If a phaoraoh had 300 wives would he want their sexuality hightened with increased chances of them being unfaithful to him increased before their number came up? I doubt it. It is quite the opposite

Akshar is right. Most of the women in the south have been treated in this way. She knows from those in her family. My ex-partner always said he would not marry an Egyptian women who had not been done as she would always want sex from him even when he was old - like the European women do. 100% of the women in his family had been 'seen to' in this way.

The one argument with all of this is that the fact that arousement is in the head seems to have been ignored.

posted 13 July 2004 08:14 AM            

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) is forbidden by law in Egypt. It is therefore banned in public and private hospitals and clinics. The government has an active policy discouraging it. But, according to official statistics, about 96% of women in Egypt are still circumcised.

Together with the Egyptian authorities, organisations such as UNICEF, the Ford Foundation, UNDP and others are very active in researching and lobbying against FGM.

posted 13 July 2004 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Karah_Mia:
Well put Luxor. Thank you Ashkar; I shall look for the thread regarding this controversial subject. I agree 100% with the 'head first' arousal; however, I still enjoy the 'response' that follows...

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