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dreamcatcher Member Posts: 250 |
posted 13 July 2004 04:34 PM
  
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Karah_Mia Member Posts: 549 |
posted 13 July 2004 04:53 PM
We have padded rooms here allright, however, we use them as a reward (the 'beauty sleep chambers') for good behaving patients; our mattresses are thrown on the floor and we share one blanket that we fight over every night. So far so good; only three deaths and few patients lost their limbs, but other than that, we are sooo happy to be here. With all due respect, we do not need the hating cases here; we sure have our psychosis, dementia, manic-depressive disorders, along with uncontrollable outbursts of schizophrenia (no names, no names), but we love each other deeeeply, you know. I mean it.  IP: Logged |
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dreamcatcher Member Posts: 250 |
posted 13 July 2004 05:21 PM
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Karah_Mia Member Posts: 549 |
posted 13 July 2004 09:27 PM
Dreamy, after reading a few of my posts here I have realized that they must be overdosing me on something. Or was it my recent lobotomy, although Dr. Willie assured me that more than 1/3 of my brain tissue have been put back into my skull after thorough cleansing performed with the help of always reliable 'Antibacterial Palmolive' dishwashing detergent in our kitchen sink, so I should be like new after all. I hope to see u soon at our therapy session; we analyze and discuss ES posts here, we like it a lot, just sometimes some of us fight and the limbs are lost and all, but no deaths so far, so we are kool.  IP: Logged |
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Karah_Mia Member Posts: 549 |
posted 13 July 2004 09:30 PM
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Umm Yunus Junior Member Posts: 7 |
posted 14 July 2004 05:52 PM
This is gonna sound real silly im new here, wot is an ORFI wife??? IP: Logged |
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akshar Member Posts: 1063 |
posted 14 July 2004 07:39 PM
quote: Bless your cotton socks, someone who doesn't know what Orfi is. I suggest you use the search function there are loads and loads of threads on this forum about Orfi. Once you have read through all of those you will be an expert too ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Samia Member Posts: 270 |
posted 20 July 2004 11:51 AM
Umm Yunus, in a nutshell, Orfi is what Egyptian men need, to be able to sleep with a European woman without hassle from the tourist police. It's a piece of paper from a lawyer. They will call it a 'marriage'. those of us that know better call it a f...ing paper. IP: Logged |
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cappa Member Posts: 128 |
posted 31 July 2004 01:46 PM
who cares about the orfi wife knowing abt the real wife or not...its YOUR MAN thats goin to sleep around, its not the orfi's fault...its your man that can't control his urges, can't keep his u know wt in his pants and maybe needs it chopped off.. IP: Logged |
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akshar Member Posts: 1063 |
posted 31 July 2004 03:55 PM
quote: You are so right. pieces of paper are not what a relationship is about. I am a part of the family acknowledged by all in laws and the local community. I think my marriage is a normal civli Egyptian marriage but frankly I dont care becasue my mother in law tells me that i am Mahmod's habiti, what more can anyone want ------------------ IP: Logged |
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katrina Member Posts: 873 |
posted 01 August 2004 01:22 AM
quote: Is there such thing as "normal civil Egyptian marriage"? Are not you tired of "feeding" us here with your fairy tales yet? IP: Logged |
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Natashiah Member Posts: 630 |
posted 02 August 2004 06:18 AM
quote: Im sorry ....I dont buy that everything is perfect story!I cant imagine having to share my bed with a man whom I know is sleeping with someone else.I cant handle it...besides Its hard enough finding a good man that apreciates you for being yourself.This is not from a religious point of view this is my personal feelings. IP: Logged |
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Karah_Mia Member Posts: 549 |
posted 02 August 2004 09:06 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Natashiah: [B]  ...personally if my husband(to be) would tell me that he wants to marry another woman...I will take my rights and ask for a divorce...Im sorry Im only human,with feelings and I will not share with anyone....PERIOD!If I cant have children...and he wants another to have it...there are millions of orphans who needs parents,need I say more. So true about the orphans situation, I am sick of watching zillions of ads everywhere in the US about fertility clinics, which offer treatments for couples having problems conceiving (maybe they would not have problems if they start having sex... As to accepting polygamy... very risqué subject since it depends on personal beliefs and, truly speaking, moral stamina... More in Europe than US there are thousands of women accepting mistresses of their husbands (not so hidden, I know that for a fact...) for the sake of children, steady income and status of being married vs. divorced that is still quite important in many countries all over the globe (ask my father...hee hee hee). Therefore I guess if all parties involved accept polygamy wherever it is allowed, their choice should be respected. IP: Logged |
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Luxorlover Member Posts: 1427 |
posted 02 August 2004 09:33 AM
Adoption is still not common in Egypt as men seem to want their own children but there have been a lot of advertisements on TV lately encouraging it. The angle they are using is that if you look after a child now, he/she will look after you when you are old. The adverts are good and well produced. IP: Logged |
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JOSHUA Member Posts: 110 |
posted 02 August 2004 11:31 AM
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Temporary Marriage "Narrated ‘Ali bin Abi Talib: On the day of Khaibar, Allah’s Apostle forbade the Mut’a (i.e. temporary marriage) and the eating of donkey meat." Bukhari vol.5 book 59 no.527 p.372 as well as Ibn-i-Majah vol.3 no.1961,1963 p.180,182. Bukhari vol.7 no.50,52 p.36,37 also discuss temporary marriage. Most but not all Sunni Muslims do not practice temporary marriages, while many Shi’ite Muslims feel free to do so. Mustahill (No Equivalent in English) A divorced woman cannot remarry the same man until she has consummated a marriage with someone else. Bukhari vol.7 book 63 no.186,187 p.136; Abu Dawud vol.2 no.2192 p.592-593 Note that if a man marries the same woman, he does not need to consummate a marriage with anybody. Mustahill / Muhallil: When a man "irrevocably" divorces a woman, she must consummate a marriage with someone else before they can get back together again. Ibn-i-Majah vol.3 no.1933-1936 p.165-168. There is no such strange rule for a man. Abu Dawud vol.2 no.2302 p.629 also discusses the disgusting role of a mustahil in Islamic society. Even for Muslim women who do not have to submit to a Mustahill, woman go through a lot in Muslim society. However, that is nothing compared to what a non-Muslim captive, slave girl, or even an "independent-thinking" wife can go through. [This message has been edited by JOSHUA (edited 02 August 2004).] IP: Logged |
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Blunt Member Posts: 115 |
posted 02 August 2004 11:49 AM
Personally: I killed mine. Easy: first you cut the balls while he is sleeping then it's a piece of cake.
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Karah_Mia Member Posts: 549 |
posted 02 August 2004 02:13 PM
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sonomod Member Posts: 97 |
posted 02 August 2004 07:13 PM
I wonder if an Egyptian man would go to the authorities or even to a hospital if his wife, casterated him or cut off his balls. Not to be disgusting, but I don't think there are many men in the west who would go on a talk show like Mr. Bobbit. Men any reflections? Would you go to the authorities? IP: Logged |
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sonomod Member Posts: 97 |
posted 02 August 2004 07:19 PM
would an Egyptian man be willing to seek medical treatment, let alone criminal charges against his wife? Not many men in the west would be willing to tell all on a talk show like Mr. Bobbit. Men any reflections? IP: Logged |
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Luxorlover Member Posts: 1427 |
posted 03 August 2004 03:32 AM
My Bobbit later had penile enhancement and became a porn start and a rich man - so - did she do him a favour? IP: Logged |
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aischa Member Posts: 130 |
posted 03 August 2004 04:30 AM
Dear Hanan, yes, you are right seeing this from your position, but - and this is the problem - most of the egyptian men who are working in hurghada and sharm or other tourists places do forget their families, their children, their proud. European women, who are coming to egypt for holiday they dont know what is orfi and they dont understand, that a married man could be a big liar. in europe, f.e. in germany, a man goes into a jail if he has a woman and children at home and marry an other one or lie - the minimum is 2 years! the situation for europen woman is complete different. they meet a egyptian man, fall in love and believe his words....not knowing that this man has a family at home. in europe we dont have men like this like you have in egypt. so its not possible to understand for this women, whats going on there! in hurghada f.e. you can find a lot of male prostitutes or gigolos who want to have sex with an european wife and at least money for a better life. they are dreaming for a better future, far away from the egyptian traditions. they are dreaming from a house, a car, and they do everything to get it! believe me, its not only you or other women in egypt who be so much hurted, its also the european woman who find out that the man the met and love is married and has a family. the truth is, that these men make a lot of problems of both sides - yours and the others. there is no woman in europe, who wants to hurt you, there is no one who wants theat you are suffering or loosing your health at least through such men, because we are women too. I can tell you hundreds of different stories and the reason is allways the same: money and free sex. .........and there are a lot of prostitutes in hurghada and sharm, who dont have not just one orfi wife or two.......no, they have five, six, seven or more, taking money and sex from each one. you, as an egyptian should make your voice loud and stop this ORFI-contracts - for you and the women in europe. lets help each other to stop this dirty games and lets help to stop this prostitutes, who are also a very bad reputation for egypt. take care of you from aischa with love quote: IP: Logged |
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Natashiah Member Posts: 630 |
posted 03 August 2004 06:20 AM
Aischa A lot of what you said is true...but most of the women find out and even after knowing the man is married they continue the relationship.Some of them prefer orfi to legal marriage because it is not as binding...soooo when they get fed up they can run away without any problems...or responsibilities.So its from both sides.Personally i think its degrading and I for one would never enter a marriage like that...I respect myself too much. IP: Logged |
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aischa Member Posts: 130 |
posted 03 August 2004 06:40 AM
natashia, yes, most of the women run away when they see, that they met a maried man. i understand women, who come to egypt, find the sun, the sea and the palm trees and a handsome and kindly man - and fall in love! but we all know, that these women, who came the first time in an arab country dont have any experience in islam, the culture, the religion, the tradition and at least what is ORFI. they believe the words from these guys and the oaths like: i love you, i miss you, i cannot live without you and i want to be marry with you. in all tourists centres of the world you can find such boys - but these boys are more honest. these boys asking for money and sex like a business and women who go there for sex, they know, what they do and want. egyptb (and also tunisia) is different. these boys are big liars, they swear and cry - and everything is a story. a few weeks ago, when i was in egypt, i sat in an internetcoffee, beside a man who wrote the same message to several addresses, all love letters with the same contents - this is no more funny! from aischa with love quote: IP: Logged |
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Natashiah Member Posts: 630 |
posted 03 August 2004 08:41 AM
Aischa Most of the ladies who gets involved these youngsters are much older than these men.I dont mean to put anyone down because Im foreign too ...but please dont get me wrong here. In the west...women and men do sleep around and its acceptable to do that and if they think about sleeping with someone...they consider that the person might have AIds or an STD and that they will have to use a condom.If they date and the woman keeps on paying for the dinners...she will leave him for fear that he is a parasite.....when they marry there are prenuptials and contracts and she wants to be sure that her future is secured etc.If the women is 50 she wont even consider looking at a guy half her age,because he could have been her son...But when they come to egypt they dont think....non of the above applies...WHY? But when things go wrong they complain,they hear so many stories etc. but still they go ahead. Yes Arabs in general are hotblooded but that is something that has been known for centuries.So if one is still under the impression that its the "Egyptian guys"...well think again. You mention Tunisia...dont forget Turkey....you will literally be chased by men and its all over the same...but its up to you to decide whether you want to be involved or not. PS.You make it sound if the western women are very innocent and dont know anything about life almost if they are virgins and now they come to Egypt just to be "deflowered" and have their innocence taken away from them.Half the women who are involved with these men are divorcees,single parents...only a few are youngsters without "baggage". IP: Logged |
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Karah_Mia Member Posts: 549 |
posted 03 August 2004 09:17 AM
Men can cry and be amazing drama queens all over the world. (However Egyptian men can be really convincing...LOL) Older women with emotional baggage know the deal, but relaxing atmosphere of exotic vacation loosens their connections between the brain cells and pushes into making decisions that can ruin their self-esteem along with wiping off their life savings. More often than not it is the last chance for those damsels to feel wanted, attractive (even the prune ones...LOL) and loved, and sometimes it is worth paying the price. Is there any logic in their actions?.. Sure not. But the illusion of romantic affair wins over common sense and then inevitable the reality kick happens that makes them whine... In life nothing is free but we know the price very well. We really do. IP: Logged |
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Luxorlover Member Posts: 1427 |
posted 04 August 2004 08:17 AM
Karah - quote - "But the illusion of romantic affair wins over common sense and then inevitable the reality kick happens that makes them whine... In life nothing is free but we know the price very well. We really do. "This is absolutely true. The reality kick comes later rather than sooner with some, but it does come in the end. The modal age difference between the women and the men is around twenty years but it can rise to fifty years and in one case I know of, nearly sixty years. Forty years is far from uncommon and all of these women make themselves believe that the men love them. The men of course will swear undying love and devotion all the way to the bank. The women say "He told me that he would still love me even if I did not have any money". The only time I have heard it work long term was when both accepted that it was a pure business deal. She was 84 when she died, he was in his thirties. They had been together for about 10 years. He went everywhere with her, slept in her bed and 'serviced' regularly. Whe she died she left half of everything she had to him and the other half to the church. He then took up his life again with more than he could have earned in a life-time. Both were happy. The men know that they are selling themselves - it is a business deal. I am not talking about the gigolos (although some could say it boils down to the same thing) but normal men who take up with just one European woman because they just cannot resist the temptation of such easy money. The women also know that they are buying the men. They just push it to the back of their mind and ignore it - until the reality check comes in and then they are devastated. The situation is different where the two people are of simialar age, have children together and there are no other wives involved. As karah said - nothing in this world comes free. The price to pay can be huge in emotional and financial terms. IP: Logged |
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Jutta3 Member Posts: 306 |
posted 04 August 2004 09:03 AM
quote: Every medal has two sides. Many european women prefer Orfi because it is not a recognized marriage in Europe,what means, that Orfi dont give any Rights for the husbands in Europe, regarding money etc. If you marry completely from the very beginning there is no step back, he can come to Europe, take every money you have, and leave again. So Orfi is indeed also a very special kind of security in the beginning of a relationship. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Penny Member Posts: 656 |
posted 04 August 2004 11:29 AM
quote: Jutta I think that's called having your cake and eating it. On the other thread I agreed with you that ORFI is the problem that allows all these dam stupid relationships problems to happen in the first place and without it and just one proper marriage law both European and Egyptian women would stop getting so badly hurt. We can't then turn round and say 'but ORFI is good because it protects our assets in another country'. IP: Logged |
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Jutta3 Member Posts: 306 |
posted 04 August 2004 11:34 AM
quote: No, sorry you misunderstood me. I am not "pro"-Orfi. And if there would not be a tourist-police who goes after men and women who are together in an apartment without a F..paper this would be great. And if there would be no Orfi at all many problems were wiped out. But as it is there, it is an alternative to the legal marriage wich is internationally accepted because in the first step it saves you from loosing all what you have in your home country. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Luxorlover Member Posts: 1427 |
posted 04 August 2004 03:22 PM
. sorry double posting [This message has been edited by Luxorlover (edited 04 August 2004).] IP: Logged |
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Luxorlover Member Posts: 1427 |
posted 04 August 2004 03:22 PM
All it is, is a 'shagging' certificate. Cohabiting cannot be allowed because it is considered immoral. If the women could not so easily sleep with these men then they would not get in so deep that they lose so much. IP: Logged |
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sonomod Member Posts: 97 |
posted 04 August 2004 03:34 PM
quote: Maybe, its a question for the ages. A topic that professors will use in the middle of long boring lectures for quite a while. I don't know. I can't imagine a real man happy about. IP: Logged |
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Luxorlover Member Posts: 1427 |
posted 04 August 2004 03:38 PM
It's that she threw it out of the car window and then they went back and found it that is the amazing part. Imagine being on your hands and knees in the long grass looking for your willy. The mind boggles. IP: Logged |
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