posted 12 September 2004 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by ausar:

The supposed Central Africans in the tomb paintings in the tomb of Horemheb are actually Southern Sudanese. You can identify them by tribal markings which are much like the modern Nuer people in Southern Sudan.

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I'm aware that these people may have been southern Sudanese but southern Sudan is pretty close to central Africa. We don't know for sure where those African captives originated from.

posted 12 September 2004 10:55 PM            

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Originally posted by ausar:
[ I doubt Kemetians called Greeks ?Kemetians?, simply because they adopted Kemetian values. Similarly, I doubt Kemetians would have conquered other people in far away lands, and then call them Kemetians, because those conquered people then decided to adopt the Kemetian culture. If we are going to approach your logic of geography, then we might as well just divide cultures into black or white, or brown, or yellow civilizations based on the biology of the initiators, in which case Kemetian culture would be a black civilization. In that case, even European civilizations, might as well be Asian civilizations and vice versa, because there is no clear cut demarcation between those two continents. Let?s face it, Ancient Egyptian civilization is exclusive to Africa, and to say otherwise is nothing but a delusion]

I will also disagree with your assertion that Kemetians would not consider assimilated foreginers Kemetians. People who assimilated into Kemetian culture were considered Kemetians[Egyptians] reguardless of their foregin origins. Of course the Kemetians saw unassimilated people in Asiatic countries as essentially non-Egyptian. Over periods of time many foreginers did come into Kmt[Egypt] especially in the eastern Delta often settling amungst the autochronous population. I believe I have pointed on this board before that the Tales of Sinuhe points to the Delta culture and Southern Upper Egypt being distinct parts of Egypt.

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You probably misunderstood me, because your answer definitely reflects that! Did Kemetians think someone outside what they considered the land of "Kemet", let's say a Greek in Greece, who just so happens to embrace Kemetian values, "kemetian"?

posted 12 September 2004 11:03 PM            

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noe*geo writes:
Nationalism has little to do with geography. Nationalism is a political term. Nations are determined by politics and to a lesser extent, ethnicity and geography. Groups of people in the same geographic area can have completely different politics.

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Ludicrous! What do you mean it has nothing to do with geography? A person born outside the United States, and has no paternal or maternal ties to the geographic region of the United States, just so happens to call himself American, makes him American? Or does that person have to first of all be “in” the United States, and then follow certain rules, to be awarded citizenship? And you are saying geography has nothing to do with it!

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neo*geo writes:
Your above comments make no logical sense. Empires do as they please with indigenous populations. The Romans had no problem calling the Hellenized people from places they conquered, Roman. The Egyptians made attempts to Egyptianize parts of Nubia.

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posted 12 September 2004 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by neo*geo:
Your above comments make no logical sense. Empires do as they please with indigenous populations. The Romans had no problem calling the Hellenized people from places they conquered, Roman. The Egyptians made attempts to Egyptianize parts of Nubia.

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So the Romans also called the Egyptians they conquered, Romans? And alternately, those Egyptians saw themselves as "Romans"?

posted 13 September 2004 01:56 AM            

I wonder how egypt would look like in the film and if they show alexander reaching the nubian border and showing the great nubian armies waiting for him to cross it,because if he did he would have lost.LOOK BELOW.
http://www.alexander-the-great.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=5