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Thought2 Member Posts: 432 |
posted 15 November 2004 11:49 PM
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Based upon the fact that the EARLIEST/ORIGINAL AE had distal limb elongation indicative of tropical adaptation I have to assume that they were in the same melanin range as other Africans of recent (Holocene)Sub-Saharan origin. IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 15 November 2004 11:50 PM
quote:Your thinking rates; 3 out of 10 in terms of perception; and 2 out of 10 on the integrity scale; however you rank a 9 out of 10 in terms of bias. So why even pretend otherwise? Just cut & paste some more plagiarised nonsense and we'll continue "the game". IP: Logged |
Thought2 Member Posts: 432 |
posted 16 November 2004 12:03 AM
quote:Your thinking rates; 3 out of 10 in terms of perception; and 2 out of 10 on the integrity scale; however you rank a 9 out of 10 in terms of bias. So why even pretend otherwise? Just cut & paste some more plagiarised nonsense and we'll continue "the game". [/QUOTE] Thought Writes: On a side note, one of the interesting things about this melanin map is that the areas that have the "darkest" Africans also seem to have the "tallest" Africans. IP: Logged |
supercar Member Posts: 950 |
posted 16 November 2004 12:05 AM
quote: You are must truly “be on something”. I also think you have serious problems understanding English language, because your answers seem to be way of base, from addressing what has been repeatedly said in my comment. Here is the full quote you provided earlier, and now you are pathetically crediting it to me as the source: talk about plagiarizing; not giving the credit where it is due, even when this unsavory act of yours is pointed out on a regular basis. Here is the full quote of what you provided us, from another thread: An earlier Orionix reference: Given that the haplotype XI is E-M78, and is part of the PN2 Clade (of sub-Sahara African origin), we have this from another Orionix source: The cluster E-M78 was found in eastern Africa at an average frequency of 17.7%, with the highest frequencies in the three Cushitic-speaking groups: the Borana from Kenya (71.4%), the Oromo from Ethiopia (32.0%), and the Somali (52.2%). Outside of eastern Africa, it was found only in two subjects from Egypt (3.6%) and in one Arab from Morocco. And you were saying…about the haplotype XI?
quote: Careful, if you “spin” too much, you could end up dizzy.
quote: Remember that “no sense” trait of yours? It is kicking in.
quote: None of the ones you’ve shown us so far, indicate what you are saying; in fact, quite the contrary. As usual, you have problems understanding anything you present, supposedly as a tool to backup your nonsense.
quote: …which I take it means, that you are a self-proclaimed rapist, who has no bounds gender-wise.
quote: You are truly one perverted , psychedelic and misguided individual as proven by your above commentary.
quote: Remember, we were talking about your logic, not mine.
quote: …you are the psychedelic rapist.
quote: ...NOT the twisted and manipulated sense, that you have been trying to use in your plagiarized genetic sources.
quote: Boy, if I am a retard, then you must certainly be filthy retard. Egyptians have painted themselves in blue, jet black, brown, yellow; going by your logic, all these are supposed to represent their true colors. You are right that I have no arguments to make…with someone, who can’t make any sense.
quote: Hooray. We are making some slight progress here.
quote: On second thought, perhaps not. [This message has been edited by supercar (edited 16 November 2004).] IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 12:06 AM
Thought: Linking dark skin to tropical limb ratio perhaps? [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 16 November 2004).] IP: Logged |
supercar Member Posts: 950 |
posted 16 November 2004 12:28 AM
quote: Talk about a bungled mentality…can’t even address the quotes to the actual source! [This message has been edited by supercar (edited 16 November 2004).] IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 12:34 AM
He has done that to Ausar and I as well. When too many people tell you you're wrong, one solution is to conclude that they are all the same person. IP: Logged |
Thought2 Member Posts: 432 |
posted 16 November 2004 12:48 AM
quote: Thought Writes: Yes. And it is of note that Khosians are NOT tropically adapted in terms of limb ratios! IP: Logged |
supercar Member Posts: 950 |
posted 16 November 2004 12:50 AM
quote: In Orionix's case, there is a unanimous obsveration on his inability to get anything right, including remembering his own quotes, much less those of others. IP: Logged |
Orionix Member Posts: 247 |
posted 16 November 2004 12:20 PM
quote: Too many people? Dude you should get your head out of your ass. There are no more than 3-5 people here, some being aliases. The Egytpians were not "black". Blacks were not the majority in ancient Egypt. Cavalli-Sforza writes that the San of southern Africa were as far as Egypt some 18,000 ago and they aren't "black", just brown. Afro-centrics like you are very idiotic, insecure people. [This message has been edited by Orionix (edited 16 November 2004).] IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 01:04 PM
The San ethnic group is indiginous to Southern Africa, and should not be confused with Khoisanoid (a phenotype); and can't help rescue your already incoherent argument. Neither can the profanity. You just sound silly. IP: Logged |
Orionix Member Posts: 247 |
posted 16 November 2004 01:13 PM
quote: Let me make it clear. You have no arguments. You post stuff i didn't even write, you're just a damn Idiot. The San or Bushmen are the same ethnic group. IP: Logged |
Horemheb Member Posts: 389 |
posted 16 November 2004 01:14 PM
Welcome to the race board Orionix. These guys are preoccupied with race. If you stay around here long enough they will convince you that we are all'really, secretly' black. IP: Logged |
Horemheb Member Posts: 389 |
posted 16 November 2004 01:15 PM
Welcome to the race board Orionix. These guys are preoccupied with race. If you stay around here long enough they will convince you that we are all'really, secretly' black. IP: Logged |
Orionix Member Posts: 247 |
posted 16 November 2004 01:25 PM
quote: It is because they are insecure with themselves. Why do they desperately try to prove that Ancient Egyptians were black Africans. It doesn't make much sense to me. Africans had other civlizations besides Egypt. IP: Logged |
ausar Moderator Posts: 2637 |
posted 16 November 2004 01:32 PM
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Not all Khoisan people look like the ones in Southern Africa, and the ones in Tanzania are black. The Hadza are the oldest of the Khoisan population.
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Orionix Member Posts: 247 |
posted 16 November 2004 01:45 PM
quote: So are you saying that Northern and Middler Egypt was just empty by that time? However i was talking about the San and Tutsi, who have relatively lighter skin tones compared to other southern Africans. 2 million Tutsi were killed because of that. Also there are groups in Northern Sudan who call themselves Sudanese Arabs. These people are predominantly darker skinned compared to the average Cairen but still lighter compared to the average southern Sudanese. IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 02:13 PM
quote: True, and as even the Khoi and San of Southern Africa are classified in national census as Blacks, it doesn't help Orionix in the least. As an aside Ethiopians and Khoisan groups have been found to share the oldest Y chromosome clades in genetic studies; meaning that they are among the oldest and "most" indiginous groups of Africans. IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 02:16 PM
quote:Welcome to the Orionix, ZERO comprehension zone. Fasten seat belts; keep hands inside the car at all times. IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 02:18 PM
quote:Indeed Professor Horemheb...Welcome back. Looking forward to further discussion on this subject that is of "little interest" to you. IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 02:21 PM
quote:, very deep seated insecurity I'd say, as shown by the 200 replies you've posted in the thread which you started. Good observation. IP: Logged |
Orionix Member Posts: 247 |
posted 16 November 2004 02:26 PM
quote: All humans originated in SE Ethiopia. As Ausar said, the Egyptians were by and large dark but they weren't ebony skinned Central Africans though. They looked more like present-day Nubians, Ethiopians and Somalis (32-35). IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 02:36 PM
quote: More idiocy. The San are not ethnically related to the Tutsi, other than the fact that they are Black Africans. Both the Tutsi and Hutu of Rwanda are quite dark. And it is the Eurocentric Hamite myth (almost as ridiculous as the ideas you are espousing), that exacerbated the ethnic conflict in Rwanda: Africa's most violent large scale conflicts manifest a virulent misinterpretation of group consciousness constructed along lines of colonial classification of African ethnicity. The classification divides Africans into three groups, Hamite, Bantu, and Nilote. This is a devastating racial coding based on erroneous assumptions advanced by racial supremacists and misguided scholars. http://www.africanfront.com/research/research1.php [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 16 November 2004).] IP: Logged |
Orionix Member Posts: 247 |
posted 16 November 2004 02:41 PM
quote: Please stop blaming the whites for everything. Blacks are not perfect. You didn't see all San and Tutsi. There are quite light skinned ones. The original Tutsi were descended from Cushitics, this is why many of them are lighter skinned. Cavalli-Sforza writes that the San might have been as far as Egypt. [This message has been edited by Orionix (edited 16 November 2004).] IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 02:43 PM
quote:.....all do not share the deepest "oldest" clades of Y chromosome (African Groups I and II). This shows a specific affinity between East African and Khoisoid African Blacks. IP: Logged |
ausar Moderator Posts: 2637 |
posted 16 November 2004 02:49 PM
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During the Middle Ages when Arabs were allowed to police portions of Upper Egypt many were driven southward into Northern Sudan. Some of these Arab tribes still exist in Sohag , Minya, and Asyut. The same with the Ja'afra in Aswan. In Upper Egpypt there is a pusedo caste system with the Arab tribes on top and the indigenous Fellahin on the bottom. During the Middle Ages the Arabs used Fellahin fields to graze their live stock. No Arabs were allowed to own land so many just became parasites to the indigenous Fellahin. Eventually many of these tribes were scattered further south into Sudan mingling either with the Beja or Nubian populations there. The Arabs had been coming to Sudan from the Red Sea area where many used the gold fields there.
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rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 02:50 PM
quote:Calm down. My post made no mention of "whites" (whatever that is). If you disagree with Dan Kashagama's article can you explain your point of view in a coherent way, without resorting to profanity and hysterical sub-mental ranting? IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 03:08 PM
quote:He is trying to create his own version of the Hamite myth. Fictituous race of light skinned Blacks who are not true Blacks. Rwanda has three primary groups, Hutu,Tutsi,and Twa. The Hutu are Black Africans with what SOY Keita calls 'broad features', the Tutsi are Black Africans with generally 'elongated features', the Twa have 'diminuative features'. They are all Black, and none of them are 'particularly' related to the San, who are also Black. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 16 November 2004).] IP: Logged |
Orionix Member Posts: 247 |
posted 16 November 2004 03:32 PM
quote: About the Hamites being white is a fallacy. Actually Ethiopians were also classified as white. However Genetic studies proved over and over that they are not white. PCA was used to provide a visual representation of population clustering based on haplotype variation (fig. 4). The first principal component (X-axis) accounts for 55.1% of the variance, and the second principal component (Y-axis) accounts for 10.5% of the variance. In general, populations cluster by geographic origin. The most distinct separation is between African and non-African populations. The northeastern-African that is, the Ethiopian and Somali populations are located centrally between sub-Saharan African and non-African populations. Studies suggest a recent and primary subdivision between African and non-African populations, high levels of divergence among African populations, and a recent shared common ancestry of non-African populations, from a population originating in Africa. Anceint Egyptians were related to Ethiopians and Somalis. They are all in the NE African cluster. [This message has been edited by Orionix (edited 16 November 2004).] IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 1061 |
posted 16 November 2004 03:41 PM
Well, that last reply is a mixture of irrelevant cut and paste and completely off-point and inaccurate observation. IP: Logged |
ausar Moderator Posts: 2637 |
posted 16 November 2004 03:55 PM
Rasol, I don't know if you local library has this book but get a book by Jean Hiernaux. He explains the concept of the elongated African that refutes the racist implications of the old ''Hamitic'' myth. Keita in his studies references him. Jean Hiernaux is a physical anthropologist.
Hiernaux In terms of complexion here is a good cross reference of various people some from Central Africa, Western Africa, and Southern Sudan:
Alek Wek again http://www.gosahara.org/wolof.jpg
Wolof people in Senegal
Fela Kuti Yoruba singer from Nigeria
Northern Sudanese female singer BTW, you can make anybody appear darker and lighter in many cases by lighting and color settings on your monitor. IP: Logged |
ausar Moderator Posts: 2637 |
posted 16 November 2004 03:55 PM
Rasol, I don't know if you local library has this book but get a book by Jean Hiernaux. He explains the concept of the elongated African that refutes the racist implications of the old ''Hamitic'' myth. Keita in his studies references him. Jean Hiernaux is a physical anthropologist.
Hiernaux In terms of complexion here is a good cross reference of various people some from Central Africa, Western Africa, and Southern Sudan:
Alek Wek again http://www.gosahara.org/wolof.jpg
Wolof people in Senegal
Fela Kuti Yoruba singer from Nigeria
Northern Sudanese female singer BTW, you can make anybody appear darker and lighter in many cases by lighting and color settings on your monitor. IP: Logged |
YuhiVII Junior Member Posts: 13 |
posted 16 November 2004 07:22 PM
quote: Lest we forget about raising the bar, look at this:
quote: Now to be "black" you must be ebony skinned! To hit this point home, what should we call people with skin tone ranging 32-35 as seen on your own scale? [This message has been edited by YuhiVII (edited 16 November 2004).] IP: Logged |
ausar Moderator Posts: 2637 |
posted 17 November 2004 01:39 AM
Put a fork in this topic. It's finished. The coversation just goes around in circles. I am locking this topic. It was meant as a diversion anyway. IP: Logged |
Orionix Member Posts: 247 |
posted 17 November 2004 01:45 AM
quote: 33-34 is dark brown. 35-36 is ebony skinned. Considering the fact being of mixed backround i am 28 in this scale. However take the fact that in the US people who are 26-36 are already black.
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