posted 11 September 2005 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by leba:
Isn't that correct? (Well the West-Central african part not the bantu part)?

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No, Senegalese have 80% E3a, they are not west-central nor Bantus.

posted 11 September 2005 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by D_ManningJr:
No, Senegalese have 80% E3a, they are not west-central nor Bantus.

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Senegal is in West-Africa....

posted 11 September 2005 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by leba:

Senegal is in West-Africa....

West-central and west Africa aren't the same. Senegalese aren't Bantus.

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posted 11 September 2005 03:24 PM            

In fact, whereas Erroneous parrot's Dienekes, Leba parrots Erroneous.

Dienekes is the only one of the three with even a little sense.

The other two continually humiliate themselves in public and don't know when to quit, or how to stop.

They are the 3 blind monkeys.

posted 12 September 2005 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by leba:
WTF, Who said I'm white or white mixed?? No i'm not.. And no Mulatto has racist origins which means non-Human + perfect Human...unless you consider yourself that to be

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If the shoe fits - wear it. I am sure you claim some Arabic ancestry, anything but African. I am sure the Arabs have a term for you as well that is similar to Mulatto.

Simple fact is that Europeans created this heirarchies. These false ideas of superiority of one tribe over another.

Case in point: Tutsi in Rwanda

Both Germany (before WWI) and Belgium ruled the area in a colonial capacity. It was Belgian colonialists who created the notions of two different races rather than castes. When the Belgians took over the colony in 1916 from the Germans, they felt that the colony would be better governed if they classified the different races in a hierarchical form. They felt that the Hutu were children who needed to be guided, and saw the Tutsi as the superior race. In fact they couldn't believe that the Tutsi were part of the African race at all. They thought that they had immigrated from somewhere else, or were survivors of the lost continent of Atlantis. This "invented" superiority by the Belgians sparked and increased hatred of the Tutsi by the Hutu, and led to many cultural conflicts, including the Tutsi Genocide.

Seeds of hate.

Evil Europeans still up to the same old tricks. Somalians are a different race than the Bantu? A superior non-Negroid race? I think not, very little genetic diffence between E3a and E3b.

posted 12 September 2005 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by leba:
WTF, Who said I'm white or white mixed?? No i'm not.. And no Mulatto has racist origins which means non-Human + perfect Human...unless you consider yourself that to be

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If the shoe fits - wear it. I am sure you claim some Arabic ancestry, anything but African. I am sure the Arabs have a term for you as well that is similar to Mulatto.

Simple fact is that Europeans created this heirarchies. These false ideas of superiority of one tribe over another.

Case in point: Tutsi in Rwanda

Both Germany (before WWI) and Belgium ruled the area in a colonial capacity. It was Belgian colonialists who created the notions of two different races rather than castes. When the Belgians took over the colony in 1916 from the Germans, they felt that the colony would be better governed if they classified the different races in a hierarchical form. They felt that the Hutu were children who needed to be guided, and saw the Tutsi as the superior race. In fact they couldn't believe that the Tutsi were part of the African race at all. They thought that they had immigrated from somewhere else, or were survivors of the lost continent of Atlantis. This "invented" superiority by the Belgians sparked and increased hatred of the Tutsi by the Hutu, and led to many cultural conflicts, including the Tutsi Genocide.

Seeds of hate.

Evil Europeans still up to the same old tricks. Somalians are a different race than the Bantu? A superior non-Negroid race? I think not, very little genetic diffence between E3a and E3b.

posted 12 September 2005 06:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:
I would never use such non-scientific comment as PRIMARY evidence. It certainly can be utilized to bolster an EXISTING argument. However you have presented NO evidence to build upon with such less substantial evidence.

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If it was written by a scientist, published in a scientific article, and not refuted by other scientists, then it's valid scientific evidence. And what it "bolsters" is Howells' analysis that prehistoric East Africans had various Eurasian affinities and did not belong to any modern race. Your sources don't contradict that: Dental traits alone prove nothing, and the multiple affinities mentioned by Neves only confirm the "generalized", non-Negroid character of pre-historic humans.

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Hence if one defines "Race" as lineage or ancestry then one has to come to the conclusion that Africans who carry the E3a and E3b lineages share in a more recent and common "Racial" bloodline than Africans and Non-Africans.

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Only if one is a desperate Afronut trying to steal other people's civilizations. However, if one looks at the genetic, anthropological and phenotypic evidence, one sees clearly that E3a-carriers and E3b-carriers have no racial or ancestral affinities beyond those that unite all of humanity:

GENETICS:

* Distance between North Africans and Sub-Saharan Africans = 1689
* Distance between Englishmen and Sub-Saharan Africans = 1487

ANTHROPOLOGY:

PHENOTYPE:

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Originally posted by osirion:
Not that I think this research has much merit but it certainly does indicate that there is a profound relationship between Ethiopians and Greeks. ;-)

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posted 12 September 2005 03:27 PM            

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However, if one looks at the genetic, anthropological and phenotypic evidence, one sees clearly that E3a-carriers and E3b-carriers have no racial or ancestral affinities beyond those that unite all of humanity

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So your understanding is that E3a and E3b isn't genetics? Genetic close PN2 E3a and E3b are irrelevant in fantasy land, but similar physical features with no direct genetic or environmental connection is what's meaningful?

In any case, take your pick: physical anthropology or molecular genetics, you won't escape...

Bone morphology affinities:

"Against this background of disease, movement and pedomorphic reduction of body size one can identify Negroid traits of nose and prognathism appearing in Natufian latest hunters (McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and Macedonian first farmers, probably from Nubia via the unknown predecesors of the Badarians and Tasians....".[/b] - Angel.

Genetic affinities:

E3b and E3a

"...Recently, it has been proposed that E3b originated in sub-Saharan Africa and expanded into the Near East and northern Africa at the end of the Pleistocene (Underhill et al. 2001)." - Cruciani et al.

"EA2 is expected to denote individuals with ancestry mainly in the Mediterranean and south-eastern European areas. Compared with the EA1 dataset the EA2 population shows higher frequencies of haplogroups with North African and Middle Eastern origins such as E3b, J2, and G along with those that have spread from further east in Asia such as L and H; these haplogroups are characteristic of south-eastern Europe. However, the frequent occurrence (7%) of the
E3a sub-Saharan African haplogroup that has previously been shown to be virtually absent from the indigenous UK and European populations [23,24] suggests recent admixture with Afro-Caribbeans in the UK, resulting in an association between African Y chromosomes and a Caucasian appearance." - Wetton

Other Affinities:

HBS (e.g. Benin Haplotype)

posted 13 September 2005 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Super coon:
Bone morphology affinities:

"Against this background of disease, movement and pedomorphic reduction of body size one can identify Negroid traits of nose and prognathism appearing in Natufian latest hunters (McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and Macedonian first farmers, probably from Nubia via the unknown predecesors of the Badarians and Tasians....".[/b] - Angel.

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"Although the first agricultural inhabitants of the belt from Syria-Israel-Jordan to North Africa were mainly rugged Mediterranean (A3 and some B, in varying preponderance) the eastern end of this belt (McGown, 1939; Vallois, 1936), shows some almost Bushmen-like Basic WHITE (A4b) as well as lateral traits (E1 and C4 [Mixed Alpine and Alpine) as at Jericho." (Angel, 1971)

If Angel's "negroid nose and mouth traits" represent black racial admixture, then where are the other Negroid traits? Where's the Negroid hair type, skull shape, skeletal form, pigmentation etc.? Funny how these Nomadic Neolithic Niggas transmitted only two of their traits to the Levantines and Greeks. Funny also that in his more detailed analyses, Angel makes no mention of a Negroid racial strain in either Neolithic farmers or modern Greeks. Neither does Coon for that matter. Nor Brace. Any answers, Negroes?

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Genetic affinities:

E3b and E3a

"...Recently, it has been proposed that E3b originated in sub-Saharan Africa and expanded into the Near East and northern Africa at the end of the Pleistocene (Underhill et al. 2001)." - Cruciani et al.

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Straw man. No one is disputing the origin of E3b. The point is that it didn't just originate "in sub-Saharan Africa", but in a specific part of sub-Saharan Africa, as the new study underscores:

"Underhill et al. have suggested that an East African population with a sub-clad of the African YAP/M145/M203/SRY4064 cluster expanded into the Middle East"

Also important is that it spread to Europe, not from Africa, but from Eurasia:

"Further, farmers may have introduced these lineages from the Middle East into southern Europe"

Now, here's what we know about the racial affinities of the East African population in which E3b originated:

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/002539.html

And here's what we know about the racial affinities of the Middle Easterners who spread E3b to Europe:

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/001695.html

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"EA2 is expected to denote individuals with ancestry mainly in the Mediterranean and south-eastern European areas. Compared with the EA1 dataset the EA2 population shows higher frequencies of haplogroups with North African and Middle Eastern origins such as E3b, J2, and G along with those that have spread from further east in Asia such as L and H; these haplogroups are characteristic of south-eastern Europe. However, the frequent occurrence (7%) of the
E3a sub-Saharan African haplogroup that has previously been shown to be virtually absent from the indigenous UK and European populations [23,24] suggests recent admixture with Afro-Caribbeans in the UK, resulting in an association between African Y chromosomes and a Caucasian appearance." - Wetton

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* EA1 (R1b/I) and EA2 (E3b/J2/G) = Both Caucasoid

* "Pale" and "Dark" = Recent climatic adaptations

~80% E3b + Caucasoid mtDNA = Dark Caucasoid

~80% E3b + Negroid mtDNA = Racially Hybrid

~95% R1b/I + European mtDNA = Dark Caucasoid

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Other Affinities:

HBS (e.g. Benin Haplotype)

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posted 13 September 2005 06:46 AM            

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TrappedEuro: if the Berber cluster of E3b doesn't represent the original "Black African" carriers,

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Of course they don't - since they don't "carry E3b" at all, anymore than your mail order brides from best of Asia that you insisted carried E3b. Meaning - You're an idiot who never learns.

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BeatenEuro whimpers: then neither does the Greek cluster

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You're finally getting it, in spite of yourself. What's left of your rant, exactly?

Nothing.

How painful it must be for you.

posted 13 September 2005 01:15 PM            

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ginzo ape:

If Angel's "negroid nose and mouth traits" represent black racial admixture, then where are the other Negroid traits? Where's the Negroid hair type, skull shape, skeletal form, pigmentation etc.? Funny how these Nomadic Neolithic Niggas transmitted only two of their traits to the Levantines and Greeks. Funny also that in his more detailed analyses, Angel makes no mention of a Negroid racial strain in either Neolithic farmers or modern Greeks. Neither does Coon for that matter. Nor Brace. Any answers, Negroes?

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Of course it has been addressed. That you can’t read, is no one else’s problem, but a handicap you have to deal with. Only a wop moron harbors an idea that a Neolithic skeletal remain would still hold hair or skin. But Angel was clear about the rest:

"Against this background of disease, movement and pedomorphic reduction of body size one can identify Negroid traits of nose and prognathism appearing in Natufian latest hunters (McCown, 1939) and in Anatolian and Macedonian first farmers, probably from Nubia via the unknown predecesors of the Badarians and Tasians....". - Angel

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ginzo pussy:
Straw man. No one is disputing the origin of E3b. The point is that it didn't just originate "in sub-Saharan Africa", but in a specific part of sub-Saharan Africa, as the new study underscores:
"Underhill et al. have suggested that an East African population with a sub-clad of the African YAP/M145/M203/SRY4064 cluster expanded into the Middle East"

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Actually, you just convinced us that the true straw moron is the author of the above. The point is that sub-Sahara Africa is tropical Africa, carried by Black Africans.

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ginzo ape:
Also important is that it spread to Europe, not from Africa, but from Eurasia:
"Further, farmers may have introduced these lineages from the Middle East into southern Europe"

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…which is of course, why you are hybrids. Both hybrids and indigenous Africans (as per Wetton) carrying sub-Saharan African lineages spread into mainly southern Europe, giving rise to outlier Europeans, and bringing along with them, their vital experience of agriculture.

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ginzo pussy:
Now, here's what we know about the racial affinities of the East African population in which E3b originated:

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Here’s what you know about E3b:

Mail order brides and online Australian lesbians carry them.

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"African admixture in Sicily has been long suspected because of the presence of the sickle gene. Nevertheless, the degree of African admixture cannot be derived from the study of HbS frequency, since this gene was most likely expanded by the selective pressure of malaria, for a long time endemic to the region. We have examined 142 individuals from the Sicilian town of Butera (12% sickle trait) to search for other markers of the globin gene cluster less likely to be selected for by malaria. The TaqI polymorphism in the intervening sequences between the two gamma genes is informative. We have found only two instances of this African marker (TaqI(-)) among 267 normal chromosomes, demonstrating that the admixture occurred at a much lower level than previously thought." (Ragusa et al. 1992)

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More gibberish from ginzo bitch, with no bearings on...Benin haplotype in southern Europe.

posted 13 September 2005 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by osirion:
I have been to East Africa and I can tell you that many claim to be related to Mohammed. It is really rather nauseating to hear it too.

As for the term Mulatto, simply means mixed race - like you, part white and part black. You simply prefer to think of yourself as being all White. Are you really socially accepted as White? Most people think I am Arabic or Middle Eastern but no one thinks I am White.

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posted 13 September 2005 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceelgabo_11:
Believe it or not their are allot of people in Horn of Africa that could trace their lineage back to the prophet Mohammed[pbuh]tribe Qorashees , who used to migrate and trade with the Horn of Africa before the arrival of Islam and especially the after the arrival of Islam were they seeked refugee. Matter fact one of the first places Islam reached other than Mecca and Medina was the Horn of Africa.

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posted 13 September 2005 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
Hi Ceelgabo_11. There are muslims all over the world who make similar claims, including West African and Indonesian muslims.

Such claims are best taken as matters of religous faith, not something to be examined in terms of anthropology.

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Rasol is it a claim that the prophet Mohammed[pbuh] followers seeked refugee in Horn of Africa before the world outside Mecca even knew of islam, is it a claim that people on Horn of Africa were muslims before Arabia other than Mecca and Medina? These are all facts, and if these are facts than couldn't the followers of the prophet Mohammed[pbuh] mostly from the Qorashee have left behind descendands who cared their names and tribes..

posted 13 September 2005 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
Well, no, it doesn't. Because you see, it's flawed and rejected research, as I proved. Try learning how to read and follow links.

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Stop contracdicting yourself, you are giving me a headache. You are the one that said that the ancient East Africans were Caucasoid. These people left East Africa in the OOA and migrated into Greece and became affiliated with Caucasoids. What part of East Africa did they leave from? Ethiopia. So this research bolsters your position, at least on where E3b originates from. As far as phenotype classifications, I think that is junk science and I don't really care if you call Ethiopians Caucasian. I think the research doesn't have merit for other reaons besides the obvious relationship that the Greeks have with East Africans which your craniomap clearly shows! I think the relationship between Ethiopians and Greeks is probably the only merit the research has.

posted 13 September 2005 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceelgabo_11:
Believe it or not their are allot of people in Horn of Africa that could trace their lineage back to the prophet Mohammed[pbuh]tribe Qorashees , who used to migrate and trade with the Horn of Africa before the arrival of Islam and especially the after the arrival of Islam were they seeked refugee. Matter fact one of the first places Islam reached other than Mecca and Medina was the Horn of Africa.

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I know but they don't have to wear it like some kind of badge of honor or something. These people are perfectly Black looking to me but deny their African origins. They completely refuse to think of themselves as either Black or African. Its this why all the way down the East coast. Not just the Somalis are like this. The Lemba don't see themselves as African either and they are in South Africa. I am part Ethiopian Jew and I have heard it all. Its all just an inferiority complex and nothing else.

posted 13 September 2005 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceelgabo_11:

Rasol is it a claim that the prophet Mohammed[pbuh] followers seeked refugee in Horn of Africa before the world outside Mecca even knew of islam, is it a claim that people on Horn of Africa were muslims before Arabia other than Mecca and Medina? These are all facts, and if these are facts than couldn't the followers of the prophet Mohammed[pbuh] mostly from the Qorashee have left behind descendands who cared their names and tribes..

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Could or couldn't have is not proof.

I don't want to debate your religious beliefs with you.

I would just note that nothing you stated in the above passage would be considered objective proof of lineage.

These kinds of discussions are fruitless because people seeking to affirm their religous faith are easily upset or offended, and are not objective.

posted 13 September 2005 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by osirion:
I know but they don't have to wear it like some kind of badge of honor or something. These people are perfectly Black looking to me but deny their African origins. They completely refuse to think of themselves as either Black or African. Its this why all the way down the East coast. Not just the Somalis are like this. The Lemba don't see themselves as African either and they are in South Africa. I am part Ethiopian Jew and I have heard it all. Its all just an inferiority complex and nothing else.

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Someone who has an inferiority complex is someone who has no identity or does not know who or what his tribe is. I don't think people of Horn of Africa would qualify or fit this category...because almost everyone at Horn of Africa knows his/her tribe and cold trace their lineage back in time longer than any other Africans.

posted 13 September 2005 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
Could or couldn't have is not proof.

I don't want to debate your religious beliefs with you.

I would just note that nothing you stated in the above passage would be considered objective proof of lineage.

These kinds of discussions are fruitless because people seeking to affirm their religous faith are easily upset or offended, and are not objective.

I accept that you believe in what you say.

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Rasol I believe in what my fathers pass down to me and believe it or not you proofed that theory to be true by posting the genetic test down on Somalis...

posted 13 September 2005 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceelgabo_11:
Rasol I believe in what my fathers pass down to me and believe it or not you proofed that theory to be true by posting the genetic test down on Somalis...

E3b1... 80%
J... 15%
E3A... 5%

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I think North Somalis are more probably like

E3b1 75%
J 25%
E3a 0%

posted 13 September 2005 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by leba:
I think North Somalis are more probably like

E3b1 75%
J 25%
E3a 0%

Highly doubt Bantu's came all the way to North of the horn of Africa...an spread E3a

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The Test didn't say Somaliland it said Somalia..so I guess they mean the whole Somalia.

Actually Somalilans has less Arab blood than Southern Somalia...

posted 13 September 2005 04:33 PM            

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Rasol I believe in what my fathers pass down to me and believe it or not you proofed that theory to be true by posting the genetic test down on Somalis...

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Nope. If that's what you think, you didn't understand a word of it.

posted 13 September 2005 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceelgabo_11:
The Test didn't say Somaliland it said Somalia..so I guess they mean the whole Somalia.

Actually Somalilans has less Arab blood than Southern Somalia...

90% E3b1
8% J
2% E30

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90% LOL is Impossible highest ever found is 86% In some sub-group of Oromos. And south SOMALIS have less arab then north SOMALIS. costal afro-Arabs and Arabs like Swahilis/Baraawa's are not SOMALI get the point? And all the tribes who claim Arabic descent mainly live in the north ...Not south like Hawiya's/Rahanweyn's.

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Originally posted by leba:
90% LOL is Impossible highest ever found is 86% In some sub-group of Oromos. And south SOMALIS have less arab then north SOMALIS. costal afro-Arabs and Arabs like Swahilis/Baraawa's are not SOMALI get the point? And all the tribes who claim Arabic descent mainly live in the north ...Not south like Hawiya's/Rahanweyn's.

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Leba if the whole Somalia is 80% e3b1 than northern Somalia were Somalis Originally came from most be 90% e3b1...In North Somalia we don't have Arabs, Barawane half mullatos, bantus to mix with...everyone is Somali and speakes proper Somali tongue, unlike Southern Somalis who speak broken Somali which itself is proof of their mixed heritage...

Rahanwayne can't speak proper Somali to be originally Somali... Hawiya are well known to have intermmarried bantus and in some cases bantu tribes adopted Hawiye as their tribe...

I don't think one Arab forefather some 800 years ago has any effect on the genetic poll...

posted 13 September 2005 07:25 PM            

No one is disputing the origin of E3b. The point is that it didn't just originate "in sub-Saharan Africa", "but in a specific part of sub-Saharan Africa,"

Also important is that it spread to Europe, not from Africa, but from Eurasia:

If E3b originated in a "specific" place in sub-saharan Africa, then spread to Europe via the "Middle East" or "Eurasia" wouldn't it be safe to conclude that E3b spread to Sub-Sahara Africa to Eurasia and then to Europe? It's still an African maker. What the hell are you trying to prove??

posted 13 September 2005 07:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Serpent Wizdom:
Evil E wrote:

No one is disputing the origin of E3b. The point is that it didn't just originate "in sub-Saharan Africa", "but in a specific part of sub-Saharan Africa,"

Also important is that it spread to Europe, not from Africa, but from Eurasia:

If E3b originated in a "specific" place in sub-saharan Africa, then spread to Europe via the "Middle East" or "Eurasia" wouldn't it be safe to conclude that E3b spread to Sub-Sahara Africa to Eurasia and then to Europe? It's still an African maker. What the hell are you trying to prove??

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LOL He's trying to (in futility) proove that East Africans were somehow "not black" LMAO He sounds about as dumb as Lemba the Lemur!

Rasol is right. Dienekes, Evil(Stupid)-Euro, and Lummux are like three blind monkeys, or rats!!

posted 13 September 2005 08:11 PM            

I know what he as claimed in the past about the sub-sahara originating E3b. Now he is saying that he agrees that it originated in East Africa (TROPRICAL AND THEREFORE BLACK) but at the same time emphasizing, for some strange reason, that it is important to note that Europe got it's E3b from Eurasia AND NOT Africa: Were did E3b from Eurasia come from?? AFRICA!!

Again I ask, what the hell is this resus monkey grafted, half-humonoid trying to say?

posted 13 September 2005 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
Well, no, it doesn't. Because you see, it's flawed and rejected research, as I proved. Try learning how to read and follow links.

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Man look at those Greeks, right there close to them Negro Nubians on your map. Along with that research about the Greeks clustering closer to Ethiopians than to other Mediteranians. I think you are certainly a lot more Negro than me being that us Jews have very little of that Negrito Ethiopian E3b in us.

Should I call you Bro or something like that?

posted 15 September 2005 06:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Self-Defeating Ape:
Of course they don't - since they don't "carry E3b" at all

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Put down the crack pipe, 'groid. Berbers have more E3b than anyone in Africa. And you've already admitted that they're white. When you refute yourself, it saves me the trouble. Thanks.

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...and that is why no-one claims a Greek origin for E3b.

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And thanks for admitting that the carriers of Balkan E-M78-alpha were also white, and not "Black Africans". You're on a roll.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
He's trying to (in futility) proove that East Africans were somehow "not black"

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Trying? I'm afraid I already have, desperate monkey:

posted 15 September 2005 09:40 AM            

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Erroneous Euro's latest monkey noises: Berbers have more E3b than anyone in Africa.

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* White Berbers of NorthWest Africa have NO E3b@28ky [Cruciani, 2004].

* They DO have DOWNSTREAM E3b2 with expansion date of 2 ky [Luis, et. al]

Which was introduced into NorthWestAfrica from NorthEast Africa.....
The considerably older linear expansion estimate of the Egyptian E3b2 is 5.4KY [Luis, et al]

* E3b2 is derived from from the 28,000 year old E3B:

* E3b appears to be confined mostly to the sub-Saharan populations - Peter Underhill.

* E3b is found in highest frequency among Black African Bantu, Khoisan and Southern Cushitic Groups of Tanzania.

Properly contexualized....

THESE PEOPLE:


...can be said to represent E3b.

White Berbers of NW Africa can not, because they don't have any.

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Keep trying Erroneous:

And lay off of Dienekes rat poison. It's messing up your "mind"....

posted 15 September 2005 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
Trying? I'm afraid I already have, desperate monkey:

[b]http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/002539.html[/B]

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LOL I'm not desperate, since I don't keep arguing long ago disputed nonsense. I am definitely not a monkey even if you mean black since I'm not black either, but I would rather be a monkey than a dirty stupid mutt!

posted 15 September 2005 02:12 PM            

Put down the crack pipe, 'groid. Berbers have more E3b than anyone in Africa. And you've already admitted that they're white. When you refute yourself, it saves me the trouble. Thanks.

According to Sanchez and other scientist the highest E3b population is found in Horn of Africa among Somalis and Oromas..

Juan J. SANCHEZ ° & Claus BØRSTING (°), Charlotte HALLENBERG (°); Alexis HERNANDEZ (*) ; Niels MORLING (°)

(°) Department of Forensic Genetics, Institute of Forensic Medicine, University of Copenhagen, 11 Frederik V’s Vej, DK-2100, Denmark. juan.sanchez@forensic.ku.dk

(*) Instituto Nacional de Toxicología, Departamento de Canarias, La Laguna, Tenerife, Spain.

"We genotyped a total of 389 males from Somalia, Sub-Saharan Western Africa, Turkey, and Iraq by a PCR based assay with co-amplification of 25 DNA-fragments and detection of 35 Y chromosome biallelic markers with the single base primer extension technique. A total of 19 different haplogroups were identified. In Somalis, 14 haplogroups were identified. The haplogroup E3b1*(xE3b1b) was found in 77.2 % of the male Somali population, in 6.3 % of Iraqi males and in 1.7 % of male Turks whereas E3b1* was not found in Sub-Saharan Western African males. The frequency of haplogroup E3b1*(xE3b1b) in Somali males is the highest observed in any populations to date, and we suggest that the Somali male population is the origin of this haplogroup. Furthermore, the results are in agreement with a gene flow from Eastern to Northern Africa from a homeland in Somalia. In Somalis, 13.4 % of the males carried J or K haplogroups, which are found relatively frequent in e.g. Iraqis, Turks, and other Arab and Asian populations. This might reflect the historical findings of foreign trading posts at the Somali Gulf of Aden from the 7th century. The distribution of haplogroups will be compared to those in Western African population''

posted 15 September 2005 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
Trying? I'm afraid I already have, desperate monkey:

[b]http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/002539.html[/B]

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What's up Bro?

A rose by any other name is still a rose.

posted 16 September 2005 06:14 AM            

Evil Euro proves: Berbers with ~80% E3b look entirely Caucasoid.

Babbling Ape backpedals: Well, Berbers are white because they don't have Black African E3b.

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Originally posted by Ceelgabo_11:
So this means that E3b originated among the black sub saharan Africans of Horn of African

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posted 16 September 2005 07:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceelgabo_11:
According to Sanchez and other scientist the highest E3b population is found in Horn of Africa among Somalis and Oromas..

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...and the Borana yes.

They have E3b which originated in Africa, likely south of the Horn, and E3b1 which derived from E3b and originated in the Horn, among the ancestors of the Somali/Oromo/Borana.

These Black Africans spread down the nile, across the Levant and into Greece. To this day, 23% of Greeks carry their daddy gene.

The ancient Greeks were a combination Paleolithic Europeans and West Asian and East African migrants during the Neolithic - these were highly distinctive populations and different cultures - including people who were physically different from the Native European population.

This fact no current historian or anthropologist disputes.

Erroneous E is just a desparate dunce in "daddy denial".

posted 16 September 2005 11:53 AM            

No, it originated among the pre-historic Eurasian-like sub-Saharan Africans of the Horn of Africa. Modern people in that region are different because they have Negroid mtDNA.

Evil If it originated among Pre-historic inhabitants of Horn of Africa than wouldn't the Berbers and European who carry the gene have inhereted their feature charactristics from population that was similiar to present day horn of Africa..not the other way around...

posted 16 September 2005 12:16 PM            

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.......you lier. That is a BANTU. NOT SOMALI.

posted 16 September 2005 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceelgabo_11:

Evil If it originated among Pre-historic inhabitants of Horn of Africa than wouldn't the Berbers and European who carry the gene have inhereted their feature charactristics from population that was similiar to present day horn of Africa..not the other way around...

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Of course. So...he pretends that once upon a time there were white people living in East Africa - he calls it 'eurasian'.

Lame, I agree, but it's the best he can do.

Here's a representation of the earliest known "Eurasian" morphology:

The earliest Eurasians had a generalised morphology resembling Africans, Australians, and Melanesians. [Trinkhous, Stringer, Holliday, et. al]

We have been over all this a million times.

Erroneous never has any answers...he just erases his "mind" and starts the same crap all over.

Then newer discussants such as yourself come along and make the same observations that Erroneous E simply makes no sense.

So this is like round 5.

Erroneous is a loser steeped in denial.

If you want to save yourself time arguing with him, go here:
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum8/HTML/001807-5.html

Or, you can repeat the same argument others have had with that fruitcake. Your choice.

posted 16 September 2005 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by COBRA:

.......you lier. That is a BANTU. NOT SOMALI.

[This message has been edited by COBRA (edited 16 September 2005).]

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The guy loves posting reer Mogadishus Bantus...

Osiros this is how average Somali looks like

posted 16 September 2005 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceelgabo_11:

The guy loves posting reer Mogadishus Bantus...

Osiros this is how average Somali looks like

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Guys, the problem is many people cannot really tell the difference between Africans. I myself used to think that all Africans "look alike" until I started spending more time with the various African groups and especially looking at more photos of the assortment of people.

Of course I wouldn't be surprised if you Somalis do the exact same thing with Asian people! We Asians also vary in our looks but people who haven't been to different parts of Asia or haven't been around the different peoples would notice only similarities. It is the same with blacks as well as whites. Many of my Asian friends also say that white people look alike and the only differences are their hair and eye colors!

posted 16 September 2005 12:59 PM            

First off, as has been told many times on this site, there is no such thing as seperate "races"

Second, Native Americans have for a while now been classified as a distinct 'race' on their own and differ in a number of ways from "mongoloid" Asians. These differences come from not only certain features and traits but also blood grouping features. The similarities that Native Americans possess with Asians are proof of their recent common origins with Asians but even modern-day genetics has shown that they have diverged into a distinct population all their own.

And lastly, that picture looks suspect. Not that there aren't any Native Americans that look like that, but the picture seems to be that of a Tibetan than Native American! I make my inference not only on the features of the person but I notice he is wearing earings with a red tassel. Also if you notice closely you can make out wool bared on his shoulders. This style is a Tibetan style!

Considering Stupid-Euro's dishonesty this is nothing surprising really.

posted 16 September 2005 01:18 PM            

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Guys, the problem is many people cannot really tell the difference between Africans.

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posted 16 September 2005 02:32 PM            

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.......you lier. That is a BANTU. NOT SOMALI.

[This message has been edited by COBRA (edited 16 September 2005).]

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posted 16 September 2005 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by COBRA:
you mean centaral and west africans....

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NO! I mean Africans in general period, including East Africans like Somalis!!!

It is easy for Africans to distinguish between themselves because you notice your differences but to a person on the outside who is unfamiliar with such differences you ALL look alike!! Which is why there are some people who can't even tell the difference between a Somali, Sudanese, Bantu, or Pygmy!!!

Cobra, since you yourself are half-white (Irish to be exact) do think that all Western Europeans look alike or are there differences? Is there even a difference between Western Europeans and Eastern Europeans?

Europe is a small area so the diversity of features aren't that great. So how about Asians. Can you tell any differences between me and my people?

Sorry Cobra!

posted 16 September 2005 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by osirion:
I didn't say he was Somalian. What he is, however, is East African.

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posted 16 September 2005 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by osirion:
I didn't say he was Somalian. What he is, however, is East African.

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meaning what?.....East African is not an ethnic group.

posted 16 September 2005 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Super car:
The source of the photo suggests the boy holding the gun, is indeed a Somalian.

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