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I was online at a favorite forum of mine and a person of Somali ethinicity got upset when someone mentioned something about Ancient Egypt. She said that they were her people and we weren't qualified to be speaking on them...LOL!!
Anway, this is the first time I have heard of Somalian people saying they are descendants of AE.
Can anybody add? I'd appreciate it.
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Somalies..arn't anymore decendants or ancestors than say others folks in East Africa..but they did share certain cultural features,if the people of Punt were in fact in the same area.. The Kemitic Ws sceptor and the hangool staff from the area of the horn. Puntites and Kemites Punt was one of Gods land If Punt was indeed in the area of Somali/Ethiopia well they have a point...but the kemites also came from the Sahara and other parts of Africa probably the Great lakes region also.
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The combination of straight, wavy and curly hair in high frequency's, the small teeth, extreme narrow jaw, and E1b1b1a (E-M78) that Somalians carry in high freqencies are shared with ancient Egyptians
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"Are Somalia peoples descendants of Ancient Egyptians?" - It depends on HOW ancient.
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More likely the Somalians share common northeast African ancestry with the Egyptians rather than being their descendants. The only people who can claim ancient Egyptian ancestry in significant numbers are the modern Egyptians, and even then not all of them.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: but the kemites also came from the Sahara and other parts of Africa probably the Great lakes region also.
What evidence supports a Great Lakes origin for the Egyptians? All the evidence I've seen suggests an origin in the Horn.
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quote:The combination of straight, wavy and curly hair in high frequency's, the small teeth, extreme narrow jaw, and E1b1b1a (E-M78) that Somalians carry in high freqencies are shared with ancient Egyptians
Yes but such features are shared by non Somalies as well...we have to keep in mind that there were many different lines from all over Africa going towards the Nile..to populate Kemet and while certain features seems to dominate others were strongly reperesented...for during the Hamitic craze when a Somali skull would come out Caucasian according to the rule of the times according to a study done by Thomas and Randall Mac-Iver for the early predynastic epoch ,the proportion of Negroids would be 24% among men and 19% for women; in the later predynastic epoch,25% for men and 28% respectivly the rest would have been divided up between intermedaries and non Negroids...this is was what they published back then..today we know better..that so-called Caucasoid,Negroid are meaning-less terms but even back then they were willing to give up as much as 1/3rd of the Population to the so-called Negroid ie Black folks with broad features vs Black folks with norrow features
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quote:What evidence supports a Great Lakes origin for the Egyptians? All the evidence I've seen suggests an origin in the Horn.
The Edfu Text is an important source document on the early history of the Nile Valley. According to this record, civilization was brought from the South, around the great Lakes region of Central Africa. In fact, the indigenous Southern African origin of the ancient Egyptians, who were Africans,is based upon an historical message extracted from the highly respected "Papyrus of Hunefer" found in the Egyptians' and other Nile Valley indigenous Africans' "Book of the Coming Forth By Night", as follows: "We come from the beginning of the Nile where the God Hapi dwells, at the foothills of the mountain of the moon" (Kilimanjaro - between Kenya and Tanzania, or Rwenzori in Uganda). By the time history evolved in the lands of Somolia land or Punt, King Horus invaded Egypt and brought civilization. This ruler, Horus, was later deified and became ultimately the Egyptian Christ. The followers of Horus were called "Black Smiths," because they possessed iron instruments. This early culture has been traced from from Somalia and back to the regions and areas of the mountain of the moon, as attested to by the Edfu Text. This migration of Africans from the mountain of the moon began long before 7,000 B.C. web page
Cultural parallels,cattle comparision will post more later.
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quote: An attempt was made by Thompson and Randall MacIver to determine more precisely the importance of the negroid element in the series of skulls from El'Amrah, Abydos and Hou. They divided them into three groups: (1) negroid skulls (those with a facial index below 54 and a nasal index above 50, i.e.
I'm not sure if those criteria for ''negroid'' are ''Negroid'' per se, and aren't found in similar frequencies in Somalians and other east Africans.
quote: His opinion is that if the same criteria were applied to the study of any series of contemporary English skulls, the sample would be found to contain approximately 30% of negroid types. (pp. 420-1)
I guess the same thing can also be said about some of the features I gave earlier, but some are less common if we can take Coons word for it.
quote: One might add that living Somalis show a close approximation to this physical type in most respects, and the extremely narrow jaw in which the Badarians seem to reach a world extreme may be duplicated among both Somalis and the inhabitants of southern India. (From "THE LIVING RACES OF MAN" by Carleton S. Coon, 1965)
With that being said, I do think the Somalians, are the best candidates for what most most ancient Egyptians would have looked like.
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Kalonji wrote: ------------------------------ With that being said, I do think the Somalians, are the best candidates for what most most ancient Egyptians would have looked like. ------------------------------
How do you know? And how do you explain the populations of Egypt and Sudan who are the "Africans" who are directly related to the ancient Egyptians. They and Somalis do not even remotely resemble each other.
Therefore you are attempting to rewrite history based on your own emotional subjective opinion.
quote: Originally posted by Argyle: They and Somalis do not even remotely resemble each other.
LOL. Have you ever seen an ancient Egyptian? Exactly, then how do you know they couldn't have looked like Somali's?
quote: Originally posted by Argyle: Therefore you are attempting to rewrite history
Why don't you start explaning how E1b1b1a (E-M78) ended up in the horn in rediculously high frequencies, if you think it's so impossible the ancestors of these two populations traveled in both directions? Also, if its already recognized that punt was in the vicinity of modern day Somalia, and the ancient Egyptians themselves said their forefathers come from that region (punt), how exactly am I rewriting history? GENIUS
quote: Originally posted by Argyle: based on your own emotional subjective opinion.
Why don't you start showing me where I said that whatever I said was more than an educted guess, based on the features and other information I gave earlier?
Look at a REAL emotional subjective opinion:
quote: Originally posted by Argyle: No.
Use your brain.
You're AGIAIN projecting your own actions onto other people. GENIUS
Upper Egyptian Bishari with quite a ''Somalid'' appearence
Fool those people don't look like Somalis. They look like African Americans. Which just further proves that AA ancestry spans the entire continent of Africa as well as Asia.
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^ You know someone is a total fruitcake when he challenges you on a position, and after finding out that position isn't based on: ''emotional subjective opinion'', all he worries about is your irrelevant usage of a word.
And then thinks he can identify whether or not you are a presumed impersonator by asking what your favorite baseball team is..
LOL
You suspect me of being another person on basis of what, my usage of a word?
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Truthcentric wrote: --------------------------------- All the evidence I've seen suggests an origin in the Horn. ---------------------------------
Then I guess you must know more than the scientists, since they have said that Ancient Egypt sprang from the various saharan complexes.
Your eyeball anthropology is no match for facts.
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Kalonji wrote: ------------------------------ The combination of straight, wavy and curly hair in high frequency's, the small teeth, extreme narrow jaw, and E1b1b1a (E-M78) that Somalians carry in high freqencies are shared with ancient Egyptians ------------------------------
Yep, you're dismissed. Anyone who says that Somalis have small teeth is not to be taken with anything more than the smallest grain of salt.
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quote: You know someone is a total fruitcake when he..
Has trouble moving on.. you want a tissue Akoben? You're like a disgruntled exgirlfriend that keeps blowing up your cellphone because she still has some unresolved issues she still wants to talk about..
By the way, keep making subtle references to me in random posts, I'm loving it. Appreciate the time you allow me to be on your mind
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This Kalonji guy is a suspicious character. LOL. ES is magnate for these . . . characters
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I'm really starting to think impersonating trolls have gotten to certain members and the way new members are welcomed here.
I used to think impersonators like recovering Afrocentrist were just funny but clearly it isn't, considering the increasing paranoia towards new posters
I've seen several accusations toward new members, and even attacks because initially their viewpoints were misunderstood I can't tell you how many times I've raised three eyebrows after finding that several people appear to be very different when interacting with them/ reading older posts, even to the point of seeing afrocentric beliefs, I thought were rejected by certain people.
A second ago I thought of giving you a link to my personal website with my work and art about Africa, and other things I'm working on to clear the paranoia. I actually made a quick reference to posting this link in the near future in my introduction post, but you know what, I'm not even going to try to prove/qualify myself. Make of my word usage whatever you like, like I care.
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Yeah, you're not even denying it or asking for specific places where it happened, because you KNOW it is true.
Why don't you go mentioning me some more in random post, there are some new ones in the Egyptology section.. Tell them I'm some imposter ''character'' to watch out for.. LOL.
In the Netherlands we have a saying that I'm pretty sure is in circulation in America too, it goes a little bit like: Als je iemand haat of klaagt over diegene, heb je alleen maar jezelf ermee, want je eigen gemoedstoestand gaat achteruit
quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Kalonji wrote: ------------------------------ The combination of straight, wavy and curly hair in high frequency's, the small teeth, extreme narrow jaw, and E1b1b1a (E-M78) that Somalians carry in high freqencies are shared with ancient Egyptians ------------------------------
Yep, you're dismissed. Anyone who says that Somalis have small teeth is not to be taken with anything more than the smallest grain of salt.
LMAO
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quote:Originally posted by Serpent Wizdom: I was online at a favorite forum of mine and a person of Somali ethinicity got upset when someone mentioned something about Ancient Egypt. She said that they were her people and we weren't qualified to be speaking on them...LOL!!
Anway, this is the first time I have heard of Somalian people saying they are descendants of AE.
Can anybody add? I'd appreciate it.
LOL
This is a first! I mean, I know of many Somalis who acknowledge that the Egyptians are their kinsmen like other northeast Africans, but I have never heard a Somali actually proclaim them as ancestors! Where's Yonis when you need him.
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OK!! lets not derail this thread if a Troll there is we'll find out soon enough..
My point is Kolonji that the skulls discribed were not sterotypical Somailis who they would put into the Caucasiod box not that the ancestors of the Somailis were never present as pointed out earlier..and about the small teeth I was under the opposite impresssion that they have large teeth and a tendency towards buck toothiness,the only way to find out is to go to the historical dental records.
And Truthcentric one also has to remember that the Great lakes feeds the white Nile that animals,goods and ideas flows all the way down to Kemet,on quite a few occasions I have posted the similarity between the Tusti hairdo and the kemitic blue crown,not mention the obecession with cattle, the rainmaker king and so on.
Don't forget also that the Pharoah bought members of the Twa from the far south to perform the dances of the gods, my guess is that god was Bes.
The longest river in the world, flowing about 6,677 km (4,150 mi) through eastern Africa from its most remote sources in Burundi to a delta on the Mediterranean Sea in northeast Egypt. The main headstreams, the Blue Nile and the White Nile, join at Khartoum in Sudan to form the Nile proper. The river has been used for irrigation in Egypt since at least 4000 B.C.
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quote: Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: OK!! lets not derail this thread if a Troll there is we'll find out soon enough..
Like I would keep posting under this handle if I was someone like RecoveringAfrocentrist. The truth is, I'm starting to get tired of this bullsish, first I'm Fawal.. then this, then that. I'm even doubting if I still want to post on this forum. My goal as I've said from the beginning was to learn something and I haven't learned a single thing that I couldn't have if I didn't register. Could've just stayed unregistered. Maybe I'm better off reading an anthropology/genetics book.
quote: Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: My point is Kolonji that the skulls discribed were not sterotypical Somailies who they would put into the Caucasiod box not that the ancestors of the Somailies were never present as pointed out earlier..
I'm aware of your point
quote: Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: and about the small teeth I was under the opposite impresssion that they have large teeth and a tendency towards buck toothiness,the only way to find out is to go to the historical dental records.
I was saying that of the top of my head, I'm pretty certain there is a study flowing around here or somewhere else that had said that. I'll look for the study later
I was online at a favorite forum of mine and a person of Somali ethinicity got upset when someone mentioned something about Ancient Egypt. She said that they were her people and we weren't qualified to be speaking on them...LOL!!
Anway, this is the first time I have heard of Somalian people saying they are descendants of AE.
Can anybody add? I'd appreciate it.
I suspect that those who make this claim, have been influenced by Cruciani's 2007 study that claims that the greatest diversity of E-M78 chromosomes were found in the Egyptian samples, mainly from Upper Egypt. There is something wrong with that perception however; if one is going to put any currency to the idea, at the very least, it simply points to a common ancestry. Ancient Egyptians were not around when the MRCA first emerged and when the main subclades bifurcated. The only subclade that might be closer to the often-cited dawn of the Dynastic period, in terms of the estimated coalescent age, is the E-M81 mutation, but even this clade has been placed between 6-8 ky ago.
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We need as much truthseekers on this forum as we can get.
Some people are just quick to call people trolls because of how the real trolls attack anything that has to do with linking Egypt to Africa. Keep on Keeping On.
Peace
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We need as much truthseekers on this forum as we can get.
Some people are just quick to call people trolls because of how the real trolls attack anything that has to do with linking Egypt to Africa. Keep on Keeping On.
Peace
Thnx King, any books on genetics & anthropology you recommend?
The most books I have read, have mainly to do with Ancient Egypt. Like Diop and Unesco Ancient Egypt book. I also hear the Oxford book on Ancient Egypt is pretty good.
Peace
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quote:Originally posted by Kalonji: Ask Egmond what that means
you fag. lol
quote:I'm even doubting if I still want to post on this forum.
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^ The recent developments in the West did involve people of color as well. One could say African-American contributors were much larger than those from Greece, Portugal, etc. Seems like we're forgetting Japan and the Asian Tigers. I mean, advanced, bio-polymers, its video applications, laser diodes, surgical technologies and what not don't matter at all.
Let's also forget paper and guns from China; and writing from the Sudanic complex. I'm so certain we'd reach this level today. But you see, we're not even far. Look at the useless jobs kids are being created or maintained in the West. Those in the bureaucracy and services, especially. Millions in the third world have jobs in subsistence economies, on the other hand. I mean, seriously, white people, cut the bullshit.
Engineering, mathematics, science, and technology (STEM) is shunned throughout the West. Asian migrants have to be sourced often making up 60% of the new intake. Then you have domestic graduates who are ridiculously Asian. There are hardly any white women in the traditional branches of the sciences either.
It's rather pathetic that one cannot even discuss matters in this field without some anti-technology throwing "organic" (chemistry illiteracy FTW) foods at you, or mindlessly opposing stem cell research. Those suggesting that scientists are in cahoots with regarding climate change really amaze me. I mean, their height in stupidity. However when we discuss history, people masturbate about these areas. How odd.
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Bob_01, we know you're rasol. We can tell by your writing style and terminology.
How about I give you another scholarly beatdown for old times sake? I wonder how long you will disappear again.
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What Kalonji wrote just shows that most people on this forum don't use logic, evidence, scholarship, facts, or commonsense. They just use eyeball anthropology based on race fantasies they learn from the eurocentrists.
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"Bob_01" is a woman with multiple usernames. Living in Cairo in a boring life with a brainwashed husband. She divorced her husband and left her son to be with the egy dick. She is also BabaMubarak and Auguishofbeing. So dont waste your time debating with "them".
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Thnx King, I'll look for something similar in my own language
quote: Originally posted by Anguish of being: Well if you're going to post sh!t like whites first developed science and refuse to back it up, then f!ck you.
By just looking at your language I can see that you're not neutral, nor objective. You seem to have a LOT invested in the idea that they were scientist, to the point where your animalistic impulses take over and you obsessively make references to me in random post. This discussion you keep talking about took place how long ago? Yet you still can't let go, cry me a river.
quote: Originally posted by Argyle: What Kalonji wrote just shows that most people on this forum don't use logic, evidence, scholarship, facts, or commonsense. They just use eyeball anthropology based on race fantasies they learn from the eurocentrists.
Even more projecting ^ LOL, I think everything I have ever read from you can be summed up as 1.Bringing negative energy to topics 2.Projecting, accusing people of things you do yourself 3.Not responding to arguments, and then coming back and saying that whatever is said isn't backed by logic.
It's clear that the only thing you can bring against strong skeletal and genetic and cultural relationships between people in the horn and the ancient Egyptians is saying that the ancient Egyptians and Somali didn't look alike, which makes you do what? EYEBALLL ANTHROPOLOGY, again, projecting. Confirming the accuracy of my assessment of your contributions above.
quote:Engineering, mathematics, science, and technology (STEM) is shunned throughout the West. Asian migrants have to be sourced often making up 60% of the new intake. Then you have domestic graduates who are ridiculously Asian. There are hardly any white women in the traditional branches of the sciences either.
It's better to be objective about what the West is doing. Thus, if you look at the scientific journals put out in Euro-America-Australasia you will see that more than 80% of the published articles have European last names. CERN is still very active and the biggest astronomy enterprises are in the West. And they are helped along too by this:
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quote: Originally posted by Lamin It's better to be objective about what the West is doing. Thus, if you look at the scientific journals put out in Euro-America-Australasia you will see that more than 80% of the published articles have European last names. CERN is still very active and the biggest astronomy enterprises are in the West. And they are helped along too by this:
Agreed, and I would guess the same thing is true for a big portion of the Nobelprize winners. It still boggles my mind that someone would confuse me for being Fawal because I credited Europeans for being responsible for devloping the scientific method. It's almost an insult, to insinuate that black people all have to think alike, and as soon as black person doesn't and credit is given to Europeans, it is assumed that that person must be a white impersonator. Like black people can't come to those conclusions by themselves, and must conform to a strict interpretation of the world and saying/doing things outside of those paradigms makes you suspect. It makes me think of other somewhat related tendencies circulating in the Afro American urban community where someone is accused of ''acting white'' because he/she speaks eloquently and not in African American Vernacular English.
To remind people, the original point of discussion was whether or not Europeans developed the scientific mindset that allows people to systematically come closer to the truth, and shed old superstitions, myths and fears that are circulating in a given culture and utilizing it for the improvement of mankind. Not whether or not African, Asian and other populations made significant contributions in writing, and other technological area's or whether or not there are flaws in current paradigms.
quote:Originally posted by Kalonji: You seem to have a LOT invested in the idea that they were scientist,
LOL You lying piece of sh!t; you're now trying to turn it on me since you cant tell us when whites first develop science.
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What does lying have to do with my by now painfully obvious accurate suspicion that this topic hits a sensitive spot in you because of your puppy-like, blind admiration and devotion to the ancient Egyptians?
What does lying have to do with the conclusion I inferred, from not only your obsessive stalking, baiting and trolling, but also the fact that you get all worked up, which is that you obviously have alot invested in this, and that your meaningless insults and other things I mentioned above are indicative of this?
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^ lol what is obvious is your blind admiration for whites. Why else would you claim they were the first to develop science, and you dont even know when they did this.
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The scientific method was probably not invented by white people. In fact, it is likely as old as humanity itself. Any tribal medicine person experimenting with different remedies for certain illnesses would have been using the scientific method. Observation, asking questions, forming hypotheses, testing them with experimentation, and coming to conclusions have all been done for thousands of years and are still done in everyday life by laypeople.
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But the scientific method was not first developed by Europeans. Scientific thinking first began with the Egyptians and their research in medicine and astronomy.
What is scientific method? It's the principle of cause and effect as it applies to the facts, the whole facts, and nothing but the facts And facts area only those phenomena, events, etc. that can be shown to exist or inferred empirically.
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quote: Originally posted by Anguish of being: ^ lol what is obvious is your blind admiration for whites. Why else would you claim they were the first to develop science, and you dont even know when they did this.
Total fruitcake, seriously. Blind admiration for whites, because I gave them credit for something? Even if my credit was wrong, how exactly would that make me have a blind admiration for whites? There are numerous times where I have shown my disdain for what white people have done in my previous posts, including my first. It's clear your ammo is depleted. What total idiot in a debate is DEPENDANT on an opponants subjective dates to debunk him? It is fine if you would've asked once, but if thats all you have to offer, it's clear to me you are really just someone that is not even worthy of sparring with verbally.
You're destroyed by your own inability to PROVE by examples that ancient Egyptians were indeed practicing science and its obvious you need help from other posters, so you can hide behind them just like the little compliant yes-man you've already proven yourself to be in our earlier discussion about the origin of scientific methods.
Watch how he will resort to untruthfull irrelevant insults like he usually does.
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What do you suggest Keita (I think he said it) meant when he said that the ancients weren't practicing anthropology and because of that, we shouldn't rely on their subjective descriptions of both Egyptians and Greeks of Africans?
Can we not extrapolate and apply the same reasoning to their other activities like for example, medicine and other things they were knowledgeable about? If someone would (just like some people rely on ancient art and color depictions) employ for example their medical papers for curing themselves, what do you think a doctor would say if that same person would turn ill by infection? Would a doctor not say to his patient that the ancients weren't practicing medical science, and that therefore, one should treat their advice carefully?
Don't you think doctors would say the same thing about people who decide to start a practice without the necessary papers and licences, even IF he was more knowledgeble than the ancient Egyptians? Just look at how scientist often look down (perhaps rightfully so) on people who practice accupuncture and other alternative healing methods.
quote: Originally posted by Truth-centric The scientific method was probably not invented by white people. In fact, it is likely as old as humanity itself. Any tribal medicine person experimenting with different remedies for certain illnesses would have been using the scientific method. Observation, asking questions, forming hypotheses, testing them with experimentation, and coming to conclusions have all been done for thousands of years and are still done in everyday life by laypeople.
I agree, and I've said something similar in the original discussion when I gave examples of sound reasoning in ancient times that can now be proven as truthfull. Like the right proportions given for boats in Noachs ark etc. What we're talking about is concious societal effort of doing so, not individuals.
quote:how exactly would that make me have a blind admiration for whites?
ahmm, saying sh!t like they were the first to develop science without being able to PROVE it. You have some nerve to talk about others not being able to prove anything. lol
quote:The scientific method was probably not invented by white people.
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Wow! the little insect flipped! LOL
Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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^I don't have time for silly games and jokes
First you're forwarding insults and untruths, and now you want to playfully misinterpret my co-sign, when its clear I was co-signing something else. Again, demonstrating how far down on ammo you are. It's funny how these cats are unable to prevent themselves from playing into and proving my suspicions by their own actions. You're like a moth that flies toward a flame even though he saw his friend do the same and die. In my previous post I said you're depleted on ammo, and in your subsequent post you're proving it by your silly misinterpretations. IDIOT
Waiting on other people to respond, this compliant yes-man obviously has officially destroyed himself^
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Ah, my bad, so you are still sticking to your blind faith that whites were the first to develop science then? lol
While you are at ES will we ever get from you a date or time frame for this pioneering endeavor?
Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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