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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Afrosaxon: [qb] The celts of the british isles are not the same as the celts of mainland europe [It use to be thought that we were related to them].But it has since been found through population genetics that our closest genetic "blood brothers" are iberians from spain,a pre farming people who would have come to the british isles in the Neolithic period .We use the term "celts" only because the people spoke a celtic language.[/qb][/QUOTE]Last time I checked, Iberia [i]is[/i] in mainland Europe, plus there were Celts there as well! Have you not heard of 'Celtiberians'?? Also, I never said anything about genetic about the Celts. [QUOTE][qb]We are not related genetically to the Celts who spread south and east to Italy, Greece and Turkey from the heartlands of Hallstadt and La Tene culture.[/qb][/QUOTE]Well that depends... what genes or genetic signatures do you speak of?? [QUOTE][qb]Culturally the english do derive elements [placenames etc] from the angle/saxon tribes and there is evidence of a slight genetic influence in areas like east anglia, but genetically we are overwhelmingly iberian on the maternal and paternal line. There are groups in the Orkney and Shetland Islands who show strong viking [Rus]influence [40%]as well as viking [Rus] influence in central, northern, and eastern England. Areas were romanised culturally but genetically the romans left very little dna. [i]The genetic makeup of Britain and Ireland is overwhelmingly what it has been since the Neolithic period[/i] I'm glad as I never had interest in rome or greco-roman culture and feel a very strong bond to the british isles. I still believe I have jute blood! [my ancestors were all from kent] even if genetic evidence says otherwise.:-)[/qb][/QUOTE]The peoples of the isles ties to Iberia since Neolithic times sure explains why they carry African lineages associated with Neolithic expansions from North Africa into southern Europe.. [URL=http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v15/n3/abs/5201771a.html][b]Africans in Yorkshire? The deepest-rooting clade of the Y phylogeny within an English genealogy[/b][/URL] [i]"We describe the presence of an hgA1 chromosome in an indigenous British male; comparison with African examples suggests a Western African origin. [b]Seven out of 18 men[/b] carrying the same rare east-Yorkshire surname as the original male also carry Haplogroup A1"[/i] and... [URL=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070124072328.htm]First Genetic Evidence Of Long-lived African Presence Within Britain[/URL] [i]New research has identified the first genetic evidence of Africans having lived amongst "indigenous" British people for centuries. Their descendants, living across the UK today, were unaware of their black ancestry. The University of Leicester study, funded by the Wellcome Trust and published today in the journal European Journal of Human Genetics, found that one third of men with a rare Yorkshire surname carry a rare Y chromosome type previously found only amongst people of West African origin. The researchers, led by Professor Mark Jobling, of the Department of Genetics at the University of Leicester, first spotted the rare Y chromosome type, known as hgA1...[/i] [QUOTE][qb]2/ I don't subscribe to the concept of "indo-european" sorry, simply because it is applied to similarities between a spoken not written language.[/qb][/QUOTE]What's the difference? It describes a language phylum in general. [QUOTE][qb]The ulster cycles were heavily "orientalized" due to christianity so would show affinity with the greek texts, but I think most mythologies have a central root e.g cinderella in ancient chinese texts.[/qb][/QUOTE]I don't know about the word "orientalized", but yes like many myths and legends of western and northern Europe there definitely was heavy influence, if not editing from Christian missionaries and proselytizers. Hence, the peoples of Ulster being survivors of 'Noah's flood'. Although flood stories themselves are not necessarily Christian or even Eastern in origin. [QUOTE][qb]Our Iberian roots should not come as a suprise to anyone who has read the ulster cycles e.g the Milesians -Míl Espáine.[/qb][/QUOTE]Of course! Even archaeology is shows that the ancient cities spoken of in the cylces were based on real urban cultures in ancient Iberia. [QUOTE][qb]Djehuti, why do people here treat you so horribly? [/qb][/QUOTE][b]LMAO[/b] It's only the psychotic and idiotic trolls that do so. Why? I don't know. I guess I have bad luck with people mentally challenged folks. I work with kids in education in real life and I always get in trouble with the 'special' ones. :D [/QB][/QUOTE]
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