I have better
things to do with my time than have you waste it.
So look it up where ever you prefer and accept the
handpicked answer that satisfies your presupposition.
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That'll be alright and right fine by me. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
quote:Peculiarly for a Dynastic Race site, it seems to acknowledge the Africanity of Upper Egypt.
These archaeological pioneers called attention to the multi- faceted impact of Semitic culture upon Lower Egypt. Agronomic, technological, and philological influences were presented; the similarity of the brick construction of the first pyramids with that of Akkadian ziggurats were emphasized; the introduction from Southwest Asia of copper work, as well as virtually every technological innovation that came into being in Egypt over a period of several millennia were cited as reflections of Mesopotamian culture. The appearance in Egypt of the cylinder seal testified to a burgeoning influx of Mesopotamian traders. They cited pictures of Mediterranean-type boats in a tomb at Hieronkopolis and a Mesopotamian-type carved ivory knife-handle recovered from Jebel el-Arak. The carving depicts a full-bearded man dressed in a long cloak. He is in battle with two lions in a posture indistinguishable from that found in similar scenes on artifacts from Mesopotamia.
quote:Source?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Genetics makes a lie of the claim that Ashkenazi
Jewry is not of Levantine descent. Ashkenazim
were established via the trade Roman and post
Roman era Italian Jews conducted across the
Rhine.
quote:
Originally posted by Nay-Sayer:
quote:Source?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Genetics makes a lie of the claim that Ashkenazi
Jewry is not of Levantine descent. Ashkenazim
were established via the trade Roman and post
Roman era Italian Jews conducted across the
Rhine.
quote:
Originally posted by Yonis:
http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Behar_contrasting.pdf
I believe he's reffering to this study, it was written by Ashkenazi jews themselves, so you should take the results with a grain of salt, these people are very political, their determination to reach their goals has no limits.
quote:Yup. I do recall reading an un-biased source to the contrary.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Please list unprejucided sources to the contrary.
quote:Saying they're political is judgemental (,though I agree).
Originally posted by Yonis:
http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Behar_contrasting.pdf
I believe he's reffering to this study, it was written by Ashkenazi jews themselves, so you should take the results with a grain of salt, these people are very political, their determination to reach their goals has no limits.
quote:Though still a very, uh, political comment
Originally posted by alTakruri:
So we should take everything on this forum with
a grain of salt since most contributors here are
black themselves and very political and determined
unbounded to acheive their goals (including you).
quote:Who might those be?
a Technical anomaly {What Box}:
What possible motivation could we have? [A right to] Egypt's land?[quote]
[QUOTE]You remind of those who assume that blacks presenting
black points of view are supposedly altruistically
objective while all others of various ethnicities are
colored in their presentations but the blacks aren't even
remotely biased in their thinkining.
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quote:I'm not trying to argue the point. I just wanted to see the source of your informaion. Do you have a source to back your assertion?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
[QB] Please list unprejucided sources to the contrary.
quote:Guess I'm waiting to be spoonfed. You asserted "Genetics makes a lie of the claim that Ashkenazi Jewry is not of Levantine descent." I just asked for a source to back that assertion. Maybe that's asking a bit much? In all honesty, every source that I've seen to support your assertion was, in one way or another, full of ****. I was just wondering if you had a source that wasn't biased in some way. That's all...
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Have you looked anywhere on your own for yourself
or are you waiting for me to spoonfeed you GOOGLE?
quote:Source?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Jews are a people not a faith.
One's mother makes one a born Jew
regardless even if one is atheist.
That'll be alright and right fine by me.
quote:No. I was just trying to understand your take. As I understand it, the Biblical Jews were not matriarchal and the notion that "Jewishness" is passed down from the mother is a recent invention having no biblical basis.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
[QB] Why should I bother? Any source you disagree with
is, in your words, full of sh it, right?
quote:Ok, not a problem. I've always considered you one of the better informed posters in this forum and find myself quite puzzled by your reaction to my query for somthing as simple as a source. And no, I'm not interested in "handpicked" answers. I'm interested in the FACTS...
I have better
things to do with my time than have you waste it.
So look it up where ever you prefer and accept the
handpicked answer that satisfies your presupposition.
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quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Jews are a people not a faith.
One's mother makes one a born Jew
regardless even if one is atheist.
quote:I assume you are linguist.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Jews are a people not a faith.
One's mother makes one a born Jew
regardless even if one is atheist.
The ancient people `Am Yisra'el
practiced many differing faiths
outside the official one.
`Am Yisra'el = People of Israel
and they were no more "pure" then
in the biblical era than they are now.
quote:LOL
Originally posted by Arwa:
David Biale's latest book is about the importance Blood plays both in Christianity and Judaism. In Christianity, it is Kristi Blood Christians drink every Sunday and in Judaism, they consider their Blood pure and others unclean. Both religions have long history when it comes to the subject Blood.
Anyway, my question is, what happens to DNA? Since it is DNA and not Blood that is medium for hereditary. Is it DNA or Blood that defines who is a real Jew?
By "blood" we mean heredity or the primitive notion of genetics. Biologically speaking, blood type is inherited from one parent. DNA which is the actual genetic information carried by all cells blood or not is a combination of both parents.
code:I don't about who is a "real Jew" but by JewishJew (current English)
giwis (English plural form c.1175)
iuw (Anglo-French)
giu (Old French)
Judaeum (Latin - nom. Judaeus)
Ioudaios (Greek)
Yehudhai (Aramaic)
Y*hudi (Hebrew - from Y*hudah)
quote:Al is way to smart to believe that the Ashkenazi's are the real Yisra`elites. Ashke[NAZI] ... secondly, how do you bring dna into this conversation if you don't have access to the original peoples dna.
Originally posted by vidadavida:
^^^EXACTLY I agreed with your first post@yonis I don't know what he is talking about Ashkenazi were original isrealites.
quote:So of course since the inception of the Jewish people there was never such thing as a 'pure-blooded' Jew.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Haven't read the book and know nothing about the
author nor what is his definition of blood. What
I do know is any concept Jewish "blood" as pure
vs others as unclean is false by even a cursory
examination of Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish history.
There is no time period from Abraham (who's first
child was begotten on an Egyptian princess) until
today that exogamy wasn't practiced except in the
very short patriarchal period of Abraham, Yisshaq,
and Ya`aqob.
Abraham did demand his Canaanite servant Eli`ezer
to aquire a wife for Isaac from people in Syria/Iraq.
Eliezer had hopes that Isaac would marry one of his
own daughters. Isaac's son `Esaw married Canaanite
whereas Isaac's son Ya`aqob went to the old country
for a wife. Both Issac and Jacob not only married from
among their own people but actually wed near kinswomen.
Jacob's 12 sons married whoever and could make no
attempt to acquire Syrian/Iraqi kinswomen wives
because their father had a falling out with his
uncle resulting in a not to be crossed border
being set up.
During the sojourn in Egypt no miscegenation is
recorded unless one counts Yoseph's wife to be
of Egyptian parentage rather than adoption. The
departure from Egypt records state that an `ereb
rab left along with the Children of Israel and
received the covenant establishing the entire lot
of b*nei Yisra'el and `ereb rab as `Am Yisra'el --
the People/Nation Israel.
`Am Yisra'el had naturalization laws permitting
anyone but Canaanites from joining the nation
and until this day anyone who sincerely desires
it can become a Jew.
It doesn't appear Israel paid much attention to
the law against marrying Canaanites as seen in
the book of Ezra where even some priests are seen
having children from women of the land. More than
likely the Canaanites were absorbed by miscegenation
into the Israelite and Jewish nations.
When the kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the
Assyrians most of its commoner population fled
to Malkuth Y*hudah -- the kingdom of Judah. So
regardless of tribe all citizens of the kingdom of
Judah were Judahites by nationality.
After its own ups and downs the territory once
belonging to the kingdom of Judah became a Roman
province Judea which after a failed revolt against
Rome was renamed Palestina.
quote:The law of the identification of Jew based on ones mother seems to be the opposite of that of the Arab people which is strictly patrilinear.
I can't locate my etymology of the English word
"Jew" so am presenting one based on Khem's post.code:I don't about who is a "real Jew" but by JewishJew (current English)
giwis (English plural form c.1175)
iuw (Anglo-French)
giu (Old French)
Judaeum (Latin - nom. Judaeus)
Ioudaios (Greek)
Yehudhai (Aramaic)
Y*hudi (Hebrew - from Y*hudah)
law as defined by the rabbis over the last couple
of thousand years is a Jew is someone whose mother
is a Jew or someone who converts to Judaism. DNA
has nothing to do with it at all in the least.
quote:Al, thank you for your reply. I had no internet connection this weekend (yesterday)to read your comment.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Haven't read the book and know nothing about the
author nor what is his definition of blood. What
I do know is any concept Jewish "blood" as pure
vs others as unclean is false by even a cursory
examination of Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish history.
There is no time period from Abraham (who's first
child was begotten on an Egyptian princess) until
today that exogamy wasn't practiced except in the
very short patriarchal period of Abraham, Yisshaq,
and Ya`aqob.
Abraham did demand his Canaanite servant Eli`ezer
to aquire a wife for Isaac from people in Syria/Iraq.
Eliezer had hopes that Isaac would marry one of his
own daughters. Isaac's son `Esaw married Canaanite
whereas Isaac's son Ya`aqob went to the old country
for a wife. Both Issac and Jacob not only married from
among their own people but actually wed near kinswomen.
Jacob's 12 sons married whoever and could make no
attempt to acquire Syrian/Iraqi kinswomen wives
because their father had a falling out with his
uncle resulting in a not to be crossed border
being set up.
During the sojourn in Egypt no miscegenation is
recorded unless one counts Yoseph's wife to be
of Egyptian parentage rather than adoption. The
departure from Egypt records state that an `ereb
rab left along with the Children of Israel and
received the covenant establishing the entire lot
of b*nei Yisra'el and `ereb rab as `Am Yisra'el --
the People/Nation Israel.
`Am Yisra'el had naturalization laws permitting
anyone but Canaanites from joining the nation
and until this day anyone who sincerely desires
it can become a Jew.
It doesn't appear Israel paid much attention to
the law against marrying Canaanites as seen in
the book of Ezra where even some priests are seen
having children from women of the land. More than
likely the Canaanites were absorbed by miscegenation
into the Israelite and Jewish nations.
When the kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the
Assyrians most of its commoner population fled
to Malkuth Y*hudah -- the kingdom of Judah. So
regardless of tribe all citizens of the kingdom of
Judah were Judahites by nationality.
After its own ups and downs the territory once
belonging to the kingdom of Judah became a Roman
province Judea which after a failed revolt against
Rome was renamed Palestina.
I can't locate my etymology of the English word
"Jew" so am presenting one based on Khem's post.code:I don't about who is a "real Jew" but by JewishJew (current English)
giwis (English plural form c.1175)
iuw (Anglo-French)
giu (Old French)
Judaeum (Latin - nom. Judaeus)
Ioudaios (Greek)
Yehudhai (Aramaic)
Y*hudi (Hebrew - from Y*hudah)
law as defined by the rabbis over the last couple
of thousand years is a Jew is someone whose mother
is a Jew or someone who converts to Judaism. DNA
has nothing to do with it at all in the least.
quote:Link
Biblical Israel[vii] and the associated Greco-Roman Judean religion of a later period simply were not “Jewish” as we understand it today. When talking about the Greco-Roman period and earlier,[viii] one should never employ the term Jew, which belongs to a much later time frame. The correct word is Judean, from which Jew derives etymologically. The meaning of Judean in the Greco-Roman period is subject to much debate. I can only assume modern scholars simply do not have much command of classical idiomatic usage, for Judean had the same range of definitions as Roman had then and still has today. Generally, Roman could imply residence in Rome, descent from residents of Rome, practice of a religion or culture perceived as Roman[13] or citizenship in the Roman Empire. Likewise Judean could imply residence in Judea or descent from former residents of Judea. It could refer to people whose religious practices were connected[14] or originating with Judea as well as to the subjects of the King of Judea.[15]
Greco-Roman Judean religion has approximately the same connection to modern Rabbinic Judaism that ancient Roman religion, which was centered on the worship of Jupiter, has to modern Roman religion, which is generally called Roman Catholicism. People that observed Roman, Greek or Judean religious or cultic practices in ancient times rarely had ancestry that traced to Rome, Greece or Judea just as few Roman Catholics today are Roman in the sense of residing in Rome or of having ancestors that came from Rome.
Most Judeans in Greco-Roman times were Judean by religious practice, did not live in Judea or Palestine and were neither Judean nor Palestinian by ancestry or by residence. The majority of the population in Palestine was not Judean by religion. Sometimes the people of Palestine or of Judea are described as Judean in a purely territorial sense even when they do not practice Judean religious ritual. Most cultic Judeans lived in Mesopotamia (i.e., Iraq) and were the descendants of non-Judean non-Palestinian populations that took up Judean cultic practices. Most Judeans of the Roman Empire were Greek-speaking and were the descendants of non-Judean non-Palestinian populations that practiced variants of Judean religion. During the period of Judean Rebellions in Palestine during the 1st and 2nd centuries, the Romans took some rebels as captives and sold them as slaves to defray costs, but the total number seized from all the rebellions probably did not exceed 20,000. The Romans did not expel the Judean population from Palestine.
Modern Palestinians are descendants of ancient Roman period Judeans (in the territorial sense) or Palestinians of all religions. They were gradually Christianized and then Islamized like all other Middle East populations. Zionist racists, tribalists and propagandists in the media and in academia promote a false primordialist[ix] equation between modern Jews and ancient Judeans in order to justify or to legitimize the theft of Palestine from the native population by European settler colonists.[x] Even though the primordialist argument is fundamentally nonsensical even if true (to wit, no one believes Vienna should be handed over to the Irish because the founders were Celts), such primordialism characterizes most Central and Eastern European nationalism of which Zionism is a particular extreme example. Radical German nationalists attempted to equate modern Germans with ancient Teutonic tribes even though modern Germans have probably more Celtic and Slavic ancestry than anything that can be considered Teutonic and even though we know that there was considerable Hunnish settlement of Bavaria. Polish nationalists had their own comparable version of primordialist nonsense and claimed to be reviving the Medieval Rzeczpospolita (Republic) while extremist Rumanian nationalists try to equate modern Rumania with ancient Roman Dacia.
The implicit content of primordialist claims is the assertion that Jews, Germans, Poles or Rumanians as the extremist nationalists define them were there first and that their rights are superior to those of anyone else in the lands the nationalists claim. The counterfactual Zionist primordialist propaganda that pertains to Biblical and Greco-Roman times has tended to be most effective with the most ignorant and gullible of American fundamentalist Christians. Despite the uninformed beliefs of most Christians and Jews, modern Rabbinic Judaism crystallizes in the 10th century C.E. thanks to the efforts of Saadya Gaon and other 10th century sages and emissaries from the Gaonic academies of Mesopotamia. From then on it becomes legitimate to use the term Jew in lieu of Judaean. This time period was a general age of theological consolidation for cultures derived from ancient Hellenism. Christian theology attained its final form in the Roman West and the Byzantine East with the exception of some developments linked to the Protestant Reformation. The stimulus for such consolidation among Christians and Jews may have been the finalization of Islamic theology with the Sunni rejection of the doctrine of المُعْتَزِلَة (the Mu`tazilah).[16] We can only speculate why the Gaonic form of Judean religion became dominant as modern Rabbinic Judaism, but there is evidence from Geniza studies that the Geonim were in communication with elite of the Khazar Turks, who seem to have converted en masse to Judean religion between the 8th and 9th centuries as they migrated westward from Central Asia into Southern Russian and the Ukraine and then into the Balkans. The Khazar elite may have provided funding to the Gaonic academies, whose form of Judean religion thus had a tremendous advantage over other forms of Judean religion like modern Karaitism in the competition for the hearts and minds of adherents of Judean religion.
Modern Rabbinic Judaism could well be a product developed jointly by a collaboration of the Geonim and the Khazar Turks.[17] Even if not, modern Rabbinic Judaism is still properly understood as the youngest of the Abrahamic religions.[18] It originates in the Diaspora, and its natural environment is the Diaspora. The Zionist assertion of having returned (Rabbinic) Judaism to its native soil is about as anachronistic as a claim can be and serves as nationalistic propaganda that is most effective among Jews whose origins are Central and Eastern Europe.During and subsequent to the time period when communities practicing Judean and related rites became modern Rabbinic or modern Karaite Jews, there is no evidence of any migration from the Middle East or N. Africa to medieval Central or Eastern Europe except for a small migration into France from Egypt and N. Africa during the late 12th and early 13th century and another migration into Hungary during the 100 year occupation by the Ottoman Empire that ends in the middle 16th century.
All archeological, historical, ethnographic, linguistic and textual evidence available to us is consistent with the assumption that Jews from Central and Eastern Europe, most of whom later came to be known as Ashkenazim, are an autochthonous population of Eastern Europe or Southern Russia and have practically no ancestry from the ancient Palestinian Judean communities of the Greco-Roman period or earlier.[19] Jews in Central and Eastern Europe were an indigenous population whose Germanic, Slavic, Turkic, Celtic and Romanic ancestors assumed some form of Judean cultic practices long ago and then were subsequently Judaicized to Rabbinic Judaism like almost all populations that practiced some form of the ancient Judean religious rites.[xi]
quote:The Notion that Jewishness is somehow hereditary isn't based on anything scientific. Jewishness is religion having nothing to do with biology.
Originally posted by Arwa:
Anyway, my question is, what happens to DNA? Since it is DNA and not Blood that is medium for hereditary. Is it DNA or Blood that defines who is a real Jew?
quote:Repeat, anyone born of a Jewish mother is a Jew (clickable link)
It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe
or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the
formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews
believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even
in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a
Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still
a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more
like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.
quote:Jewishness has nothing to do with biology. How is it that someone born of a non-Jewish father and a Jewish mother is a Jew, but someone born of a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother is considered a non-Jew? Please explain the science behind that line of thinking?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
I don't know why I even bother because for people
so concerned about the truth vs false opinions on
Egypt, Africa, and blacks many here have no problem
spewing nonsense on Jews and Judaism, but for like
about the zillionth time Jewishness does have something
to do with biology unless birth is outside biology.
Anyone born of a Jewish mother, whether that mother
or that individual born from her practices Judaism
or any other religion or is atheist, agnostic,
secularist, etc., is a Jew.
quote:Repeat, anyone born of a Jewish mother is a Jew (clickable link)
It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe
or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the
formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews
believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even
in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a
Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still
a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more
like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.
regardless of religion. That is the definition
according to Sepharade and orthodox rabbis who
will also make a Jew out of any non-Jew that
sincerely desires to become bound by Jewish law
and practice Judaism.
quote:Please explain how a person is born outside of biological processes?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
I don't know why I even bother because for people
so concerned about the truth vs false opinions on
Egypt, Africa, and blacks many here have no problem
spewing nonsense on Jews and Judaism, but for like
about the zillionth time Jewishness does have something
to do with biology unless birth is outside biology.
quote:Since when did Sephardic and Orthodox Rabbis become authorites on Biology?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Repeat, anyone born of a Jewish mother is a Jew (clickable link)
regardless of religion. [U]That is the definition
according to Sepharade and orthodox rabbis[/U] who
will also make a Jew out of any non-Jew that
sincerely desires to become bound by Jewish law
and practice Judaism.
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Also what or who were the 'ereb rab?
quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Also what or who were the 'ereb rab?
quote:
Originally posted by Arwa:
Also, is Jewish law and rabbinic law the same?
And, Al, my request is genuine
quote:Since when did I say it was "wrong" for Jews to define themselves? Facts are FACTS, Jewishness has nothing to do with biology and everything to do with religious belief.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Since when did you become an authority to tell Jews that their definition of self is wrong?
quote:Agreed. However, Jews don't get to define what is scientific and what is religious belief.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Jews decide who Jews are not outsiders looking
in, angry and frustrated and all keyed up over
"the Jewish question."
quote:You are quite incorrect seeing as there is absolutely no way to define a "Jew" biologically. There is no science to back your assertion. NONE whatsoever.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Per the Jews themselves over the last couple millenia, the biological definition of a Jews is anyone born of a Jewish mother.
quote:Rabbis are NOT scientists. Jewish authorites are not autrhorites where the biological sciences are concerned. Therefore, whatever they say as it relates to the biological sciences means less than jack. Religion = religion. Science = science. Biology = science. Judaism = religion. Science =/= religion.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
And long after we're all dead and forgotten that will continue to be the authoritative Jewish answer by the Jewish authorities who make the final decision on who's a Jew;the Sepharade and the orthodox rabbinates.
quote:That's fine and dandy, but perhaps you need to take a class in biology. If one wishes to believe that Jewishness is passed on from the mohter only - that is fine. However, it doesn't change the FACT that it is an article of FAITH and not based on any science. What is so difficult to understand here? Your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on, scientifically speaking. There is no science that validates your argument, only belief.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
There is no such thing as a science defined Jew.
Jewish authorities are certainly authorities on
all things internally Jewish. Scientist do not
define Jews or any other peoplehood. Jews, like
every other people, define themselves.
One of their definitions is
[P1] birth from a Jewish mother makes someone a Jew.
Since [P2] birth is a biological function
[C] biologically one is a Jew if born from a Jewish mother.
quote:
Originally posted bu Nay-sayer
You're beginning to sound like someone who has an inferiority complex. Maybe in your world the earth is still flat...
quote:The FACT still remains, there is no science to back your argument/definition/whatever - only belief. And in case you didn't know, atheist, secular, agnostic, humanist, etc. are not excluded from having belief systems just because they lack religious belief.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
I don't have an argument. I presented the Jewish definition of belonging to the peoplehood which is not a religion as there are atheist, secular, agnostic, humanist, etc., Jews.
quote:And you say this after trying to infer that I'm an anti-semite? Spare me the hypocritical rhetoric.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
But you won't stick to the subject matter. No. You gotta go and bad mouth me because I won't
agree with you and instead try to show you what
Jews themselves say define someone as being a Jew.
quote:You speak as one who knows the feeling and aroma quite well. Perhaps one day, when you've removed your head from up your Rabbi's ass, you can then clean the sh*t from your ears and listen closely when you take Biology 101...
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Well if you want to get personal and talk about me, who you don't know at all, then it's fair for me to judge you too. And so I conclude you're beginning to sound like someone who has their head up their ass living in a fart world that you think is a perfumed garden.
quote:Can't win the war of words, rhetoric, or insults so now, like a beaten dog, you run away with your tail between your legs. So very typical of someone who apologizes for the shortcommings of their religious [read properly: superstitious] beliefs.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Gone from pulling rabbits out of your ass
to s h i t t i n g straight out your mouth.
The taste you enjoy so well. S h i t on my
bruder bund boy(?), s h i t on.
Whenever you emerge from out your toilet
and want to discuss things without your
emotions of hate jealousy and fear I'll
be hear with the rational members of the
forum.
In the meantime, here's some Charmin'
to wipe your mouth with and some Lysol
to cover your stink and kill your disease.
quote:but considering you've never contributed
What more flap trap from Zippy the Pinhead?
Not enough brain to even understand that
simplest of logical presentations like
the dog it is returns and laps up more
of his own vomit thinking that somehow
makes him some kind of presenter of
factual info when all the miserable
excuse for a sick monkey turd's got
is opinionated roorag straight out
its ass/mouth, in its case what's
the difference.
Nay-sayer indeed. Nothing worth saying
is more like it. Good for what? Bad
talk safely out of reach of the back
of my hand like every big bad talking
internet bitch that in real life slinks
away from confrontation like piss running
in alley cracks.
Go lick a dog's ass 'till it bleeds you
less than amoebic low life loser perfect
example of why abortions due to incest
pregnancies should be mandatory or maybe
you're just that kind of living abortion.
quote:The worthless s h i t is the one that gave birth to you. And STILL, you haven't been able to refute one single word. I'd call you a joke, but that wouldn't do you justice.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
This is what I started to post
quote:but considering you've never contributed anything of even partial value to this
What more flap trap from Zippy the Pinhead?
Not enough brain to even understand that
simplest of logical presentations like
the dog it is returns and laps up more
of his own vomit thinking that somehow
makes him some kind of presenter of
factual info when all the miserable
excuse for a sick monkey turd's got
is opinionated roorag straight out
its ass/mouth, in its case what's
the difference.
Nay-sayer indeed. Nothing worth saying
is more like it. Good for what? Bad
talk safely out of reach of the back
of my hand like every big bad talking
internet bitch that in real life slinks
away from confrontation like piss running
in alley cracks.
Go lick a dog's ass 'till it bleeds you
less than amoebic low life loser perfect
example of why abortions due to incest
pregnancies should be mandatory or maybe
you're just that kind of living abortion.
forum why should I waste my time in a
dis swap with a worthless s h i t like you?
quote:djhuti can you explain to me the DNA of the Ancient Egyptian v.s Modern. This guy on Topix is posting ish about the Ancients being Europeans and Mid. Easterners becuase Modern Egyptians group closer to Euros and Asians and are suppoedly the same as the Ancients...
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ What do you mean? Why would it be deleted? Are you suspicious of something Arwa?
quote:
Originally posted by Nay-Sayer:
quote:The worthless s h i t is the one that gave birth to you. And STILL, you haven't been able to refute one single word. I'd call you a joke, but that wouldn't do you justice.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
This is what I started to post
quote:but considering you've never contributed anything of even partial value to this
What more flap trap from Zippy the Pinhead?
Not enough brain to even understand that
simplest of logical presentations like
the dog it is returns and laps up more
of his own vomit thinking that somehow
makes him some kind of presenter of
factual info when all the miserable
excuse for a sick monkey turd's got
is opinionated roorag straight out
its ass/mouth, in its case what's
the difference.
Nay-sayer indeed. Nothing worth saying
is more like it. Good for what? Bad
talk safely out of reach of the back
of my hand like every big bad talking
internet bitch that in real life slinks
away from confrontation like piss running
in alley cracks.
Go lick a dog's ass 'till it bleeds you
less than amoebic low life loser perfect
example of why abortions due to incest
pregnancies should be mandatory or maybe
you're just that kind of living abortion.
forum why should I waste my time in a
dis swap with a worthless s h i t like you?
It must be a tough pill to swallow that someone who "never contributed anything of even partial value to this forum" can come in here and lay an intellectual beat down on your ignorant a$$. So give yourself a standing ovation for being the first place winner @ the Special Olympics, Genius.
And BTW, a REAL man doesn't go about saying what he was going to do. He just goes and does it, Junior.
Grow some pubic hair then go get a clue....
quote:One last time, for those of us who failed reading comprehension. Jewishness HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIOLOGY. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE. EVEN A LOW LIFE DIP-S H I T SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMPREHEND THIS MOST SIMPLE OF PRINCIPLES.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Hey diarhea brain, even you can't be so obtusely [Pre-teenage girl rant SNIPPED]
quote:
Originally posted by Nay-Sayer:
And BTW....
quote:Please explain how a person is born outside of biological processes?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
I don't know why I even bother because for people so concerned about the truth vs false opinions on Egypt, Africa, and blacks many here have no problem spewing nonsense on Jews and Judaism, but for like about the zillionth time Jewishness does have something
to do with biology unless birth is outside biology.
quote:Since when did Sephardic and Orthodox Rabbis become authorites on Biology?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Repeat, anyone born of a Jewish mother is a Jew (clickable link) regardless of religion. [U]That is the definition according to Sepharade and orthodox rabbis[/U] who will also make a Jew out of any non-Jew that sincerely desires to become bound by Jewish law and practice Judaism.
quote:Does this rule apply to women who convert to Judaism then have kids?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
[P1] birth from a Jewish mother makes someone a Jew.
[P2] birth is a biological function
[C] biologically one is a Jew if born from a Jewish mother.
quote:Dumb a$$,
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Hate blinds. Have answered it again and again.
You reject the answer yet posit no variable.
No examination of Jews in any scientific
report samples other than Jews born of
Jewish mothers. Why is that? Because
anybody practicing Jewish rites but
not conforming to rabbinic self
definition of the Jewish people
is recognized as a Jew by
anyone but s h i t for
brains monkey turd you.
Jewishness is a function of peoplehood.
Jews are not simply a religious group.
Jews are a people that like modern
nations is composed of those born in
to it or naturalized in to it. That
is a fact beyond rational dispute.
quote:Are you that damn dense? Weren't you paying attention in reading class? I've heard of cheap bastards before but never have I heard of a bastard so cheap that he didn't even pay attention.
Explain how it makes sense BIOLOGICALLY that the offspring of a Jewish man by a non-Jewish woman are non-Jews but the offspring of a non-Jewish man by a Jewish woman are? Please explain the SCIENCE behind this line of thought.
quote:
Originally posted by Nay-Sayer:
quote:Does this rule apply to women who convert to Judaism then have kids?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
[P1] birth from a Jewish mother makes someone a Jew.
[P2] birth is a biological function
[C] biologically one is a Jew if born from a Jewish mother.
If so then you could have a situation where a women has a child, then subsequently converts to Judaism, then has another child. In this case the oldest child would not be Jewish and the youngest child would. Does that make any sense to you, Genius?
quote:To dumb to recognize question begging when it's right in front of you. Goddamn are you stupid...
Originally posted by alTakruri:
[P1] birth from a Jewish mother makes someone a Jew.
[P2] birth is a biological function
[C] biologically one is a Jew if born from a Jewish mother.
Simple logical conclusion derived from two uncomplicated premises
and is the most stringent Boolean algebra operation, the P1(t)+P2(t)->C(t) "and gate" conjunction.
quote:Jewish law is not based on ANY science whatsoever. Even someone with room temperature IQ can comprehend that, Genius.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Yes. Makes perfect sense in fact is just how it works in Jewish law.
quote:Please explain the biological science behind this line of thought, Genius.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
The elder child is not a Jew because at
the time of birth the mother was not a Jew.
The younger child is a Jew because mother is a Jew.
quote:Which DEFIES your stupid notion that Jewishness is somehow connected to biology. It isn't, dumb a$$...
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Kicking screaming and clawing every inch of the way you're beginning to catch on. The case of convert mothers is one reason mtDNA studies of Jews show multiple origins.
quote:Hypocrisy is typical of fundamentalists.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
If you want to understand how all this works
I'll be glad to explain it but when you
object or disagree you must do it without
insult.
Otherwise, this is the end of our dialogue
and I will only entertain comments and queries
from forum members who present themselves
respectfully and who really want to know not
just rhetorically put out their view (to which
they are perfectly entitled to do though it
has no bearing on Jewish practice or who
scientist select for their Jewish samples).
have to stop and you have to learn to disagree
without flaming on.
quote:
Originally posted by Nay-Sayer:
quote:That's fine and dandy, but perhaps you need to take a class in biology. If one wishes to believe that Jewishness is passed on from the mohter only - that is fine. However, it doesn't change the FACT that it is an article of FAITH and not based on any science. What is so difficult to understand here? Your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on, scientifically speaking. There is no science that validates your argument, only belief.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
There is no such thing as a science defined Jew.
Jewish authorities are certainly authorities on
all things internally Jewish. Scientist do not
define Jews or any other peoplehood. Jews, like
every other people, define themselves.
One of their definitions is
[P1] birth from a Jewish mother makes someone a Jew.
Since [P2] birth is a biological function
[C] biologically one is a Jew if born from a Jewish mother.
You're beginning to sound like someone who has an inferiority complex. Maybe in your world the earth is still flat...
quote:That message was in response to your attempt at inferring I was some sort of anti-semite for disagreeing with your position. So, if you don't want to sound like someone who has an inferiority complex might I suggest you not make such inferences [without merit]. Especially when the facts are on your opponent's side. The problem we have is that fundamentalists don't know how to deal with someone who uses the facts to refute their fundamentalism without being disagreeable.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Being a fundament, instigators like you always blame your targets. See below where you crossed the line and attacked me instead of dealing with the subject matter.
I'm willing to further discuss the topic with
anyone who follows normal rules of social
behavior in discourse but not with fundaments
on a tirade.
I'll not lower myself to your level to join
you under your manhole cover at the municipal
septic treatment center.
quote:
Originally posted by Nay-Sayer:
quote:That's fine and dandy, but perhaps you need to take a class in biology. If one wishes to believe that Jewishness is passed on from the mohter only - that is fine. However, it doesn't change the FACT that it is an article of FAITH and not based on any science. What is so difficult to understand here? Your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on, scientifically speaking. There is no science that validates your argument, only belief.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
There is no such thing as a science defined Jew.
Jewish authorities are certainly authorities on
all things internally Jewish. Scientist do not
define Jews or any other peoplehood. Jews, like
every other people, define themselves.
One of their definitions is
[P1] birth from a Jewish mother makes someone a Jew.
Since [P2] birth is a biological function
[C] biologically one is a Jew if born from a Jewish mother.
You're beginning to sound like someone who has an inferiority complex. Maybe in your world the earth is still flat...
quote:No sir, you have that backwards. I am not the fundamentalists between the two of us.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Yes you are obviously a fundament and on top of that are fundamentalist.
quote:Don't play stupid. I saw your post before you edited out your inference that I was an anti-semite. I saw the post and am sorry that I didn't quote all of the content before you were able to edit it.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
You have a persecution complex. Nowhere did I call you by the ridiculous term anti-semite, a term I don't use. That you registered any such feeling is a measure of your conscious for something you feel guilty of but cannot project onto me.
quote:Now you're just being comical. You remain "superior" only in your fundamentalism, the inferior complex from which you suffer, and your inability to distinguish fact from obvious fiction.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
In any case I am and remain your superior of whom you suffer a be-like complex.
quote:Tell it to your Rabbi.
Originally posted by alTakruri:
I haven't and never have presented any of my personal religious beliefs on this forum because number 1 I have no religion number two a persons religious beliefs have no business interjecting themselves onto the subject matter of this forum.
quote:Wait a minute! I don't recall ever proclaiming to be an atheist. Are you now a mind reader too?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
The same for you and your anti-religious beliefs and mockery of such and people who have such Your atheists beliefs have no business interjecting themselves onto the subject matter of this forum.
quote:Dude, your posits are worthy of deposit into the nearest commode. And don't forget to wipe and flush...
Originally posted by alTakruri:
I have posited that biological Jews are subjects of DNA reports prepared by scientist who do not use people who claim to practice Judaism but do not belong to the Jewish people as subjects. Those are facts that you helplessly rail against but cannot ever refute and is why you veered of course and began imputing me because
you are wrong about the question of who is a Jew and why.
quote:You can't be serious? Especially when you say things like "biological Jews are subjects of DNA reports prepared by scientist who do not use people who claim to practice Judaism but do not belong to the Jewish people as subjects." First, WTF is a "biological Jew"? Would you care to define that term using an unbiased source? Secondly, your mysterious "DNA Reports" that were prepared by "Scientists"? What "DNA Reports" and which "Scientists"? Would you mind giving us a source so that we may go see for ourselves?
Originally posted by alTakruri:
You haven't presented a scintilla of anything other than your personal fundamentalist viewpoint and though given the bilogical definition of a Jew refuse to accept it.