Much evil has been done to the Black man, and it’s still going on. But none of this could have been possible without the collaboration of other Blacks. Masra Quassi would actually spy, and guide the colonial armies into the swamps of Surinam to recapture runaway slaves and to destroy their villages and strongholds. He was greatly honoured and received a golden plaque which read: 'Vriend der Blanken.'
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Useless post.. I mean, really. Who the hell is "The" Negro, anyways? Posted by meninarmer (Member # 12654) on :
Unfortunately, there are far too many examples of this flipping of the African mind.
Black leader defends Confederate Flag, responds to violent attackers
Confederate Flag defender, political activist, former President of the Asheville chapter of the NAACP and 52-year-old black man, H.K. Edgerton was recently accosted by two black men while standing by his confederate flag in front of Asheville High School. Though he was appalled by the alleged violent actions of 19-year-old high school drop-out Andre Dewayne and 32-year-old Kevin Miller, he concedes, "I know and understand their pain because they've been lied to for so long. A lot of people know nothing about that time in history."
Describing the event, Edgerton recalls, "A man approached me quickly and when he got a foot away from me, he lunged at me, tried to grab my flag, spit on me, spit on my flag, bent my flag pole. Then another man, who was older, came. I thought he was going to stop him, but he joined in, striking and spitting on me and bending my flag even more." Edgerton said the incident left lingering injuries to his shoulder.
Though Edgerton empathizes with the anguish of the two men he asserts, "You have to know how to conduct yourselves. And give a man a chance to speak. Many people have heckled me and cursed at me. When giving speeches I've had blacks heckle me and they had to be removed in Columbia and Charleston, but never has anyone accosted me or my flag. It is my 1st amendment right to take a stand, and you must not violate my right to do so."
Edgerton blames the media and the educational system for creating the perception that exists today regarding southern history. "This is a continuation about the lies of the Christian southern white folks during the Civil War. African Americans in this country don't know a thing about that war and that time.
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: Useless post.. I mean, really. Who the hell is "The" Negro, anyways?
I wanted to write n*gger. But I mean the African on the continent and in the diaspora. The ones who identify as Black, and African. This is an old saying, ressurected by me to give the Black a tool to measure his own actions against other Blacks. When I heard this the first time, 20 years ago, I was taken aback, but now I understand this very well. I have also posted this for the shock value. In the USA you use the term 'Uncle Tom.' In my native Surinam we say 'House n*gger.'
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Unfortunately, there are far too many examples of this flipping of the African mind.
Black leader defends Confederate Flag, responds to violent attackers
Confederate Flag defender, political activist, former President of the Asheville chapter of the NAACP and 52-year-old black man, H.K. Edgerton was recently accosted by two black men while standing by his confederate flag in front of Asheville High School. Though he was appalled by the alleged violent actions of 19-year-old high school drop-out Andre Dewayne and 32-year-old Kevin Miller, he concedes, "I know and understand their pain because they've been lied to for so long. A lot of people know nothing about that time in history."
Describing the event, Edgerton recalls, "A man approached me quickly and when he got a foot away from me, he lunged at me, tried to grab my flag, spit on me, spit on my flag, bent my flag pole. Then another man, who was older, came. I thought he was going to stop him, but he joined in, striking and spitting on me and bending my flag even more." Edgerton said the incident left lingering injuries to his shoulder.
Though Edgerton empathizes with the anguish of the two men he asserts, "You have to know how to conduct yourselves. And give a man a chance to speak. Many people have heckled me and cursed at me. When giving speeches I've had blacks heckle me and they had to be removed in Columbia and Charleston, but never has anyone accosted me or my flag. It is my 1st amendment right to take a stand, and you must not violate my right to do so."
Edgerton blames the media and the educational system for creating the perception that exists today regarding southern history. "This is a continuation about the lies of the Christian southern white folks during the Civil War. African Americans in this country don't know a thing about that war and that time.
I do not condone violance against people who give their opinion.
This matter is not black and white, its very complicated. Hence this thread. You could say that these Black Dutch, discussed in my other threads, are also founders of the USA. I have discovered that many, if not the majority of the important Surinam slaveholders were already Black, when they arrived in Surinam. As were the Dutch governors. They just grew Blacker with all this fornication with beautiful, firm breasted slave girls.
Posted by meninarmer (Member # 12654) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Unfortunately, there are far too many examples of this flipping of the African mind.
Black leader defends Confederate Flag, responds to violent attackers
Confederate Flag defender, political activist, former President of the Asheville chapter of the NAACP and 52-year-old black man, H.K. Edgerton was recently accosted by two black men while standing by his confederate flag in front of Asheville High School. Though he was appalled by the alleged violent actions of 19-year-old high school drop-out Andre Dewayne and 32-year-old Kevin Miller, he concedes, "I know and understand their pain because they've been lied to for so long. A lot of people know nothing about that time in history."
Describing the event, Edgerton recalls, "A man approached me quickly and when he got a foot away from me, he lunged at me, tried to grab my flag, spit on me, spit on my flag, bent my flag pole. Then another man, who was older, came. I thought he was going to stop him, but he joined in, striking and spitting on me and bending my flag even more." Edgerton said the incident left lingering injuries to his shoulder.
Though Edgerton empathizes with the anguish of the two men he asserts, "You have to know how to conduct yourselves. And give a man a chance to speak. Many people have heckled me and cursed at me. When giving speeches I've had blacks heckle me and they had to be removed in Columbia and Charleston, but never has anyone accosted me or my flag. It is my 1st amendment right to take a stand, and you must not violate my right to do so."
Edgerton blames the media and the educational system for creating the perception that exists today regarding southern history. "This is a continuation about the lies of the Christian southern white folks during the Civil War. African Americans in this country don't know a thing about that war and that time.
I do not condone violance against people who give their opinion.
This matter is not black and white, its very complicated. Hence this thread. You could say that these Black Dutch, discussed in my other threads, are also founders of the USA. I have discovered that many, if not the majority of the important Surinam slaveholders were already Black, when they arrived in Surinam. As were the Dutch governors. They just grew Blacker with all this fornication with beautiful, firm breasted slave girls.
Blacks are historical the most tolerant and forgiving people. Maybe too much so. The guy walked through Harlem with a confederate flag. He's still alive. Don't focus on petty skirmishes.
Yes, we've touched on the role of black Africans in initiating, maintaining, and profiting from slavery also. Without black cooperation, none of this is possible.
Posted by Johnny Blaze (Member # 13931) on :
Where is this ^^^^ picture of the three females from.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Johnny Blaze: Where is this ^^^^ picture of the three females from.
Dear, if you hit the quote function (" ")the site adress will appear.
Hurston is a towering pillar and I discovered tributes to her in the works of Toni Morisson. She came from the segregated south, and did not favour desegregation because it meant that all Black's in places of power and authority were replaced by Whites.
She set out to interview a last survivor of the Atlantic Trade, an African who was actually kidnapped from Africa into slavery in the USA. He told her how the African kings would start wars in order to capture prisonors to sell them off as slaveS to the European slave traders. How they would invent crimes to punish their own subjects, to be able to sell those as well.
Hurston writes about a king's palace where the gate was covered in severed human heads.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Blacks are historical the most tolerant and forgiving people. Maybe too much so. [/QB]
On what research is this statement based?
Personally I have found that people are just people, and colour does not in any way speak of merit.
My theory about Scientific Racism against Blacks, states that this started in the 18th century when the European Whites wanted to liberate themselves from the Black and coloured elite: Kings, Nobility and intellectuals. Those who claimed having Blue Blood, which was Black blood; symbolised by a Moor in the arts.
They succeeded to break this despotic oppression with the French Revolution. The period of 1500-1789 is considered by me as a era of Reversed Apartheid.
The Moor was almost always depicted as a Classic African. So the hatred was directed at the Classic looking Africans.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
THE TUSKEGEE EXPERIMENT
The people who actually performed the tasks during the Tuskegee Experiment were Blacks. They gave the placebo's and dealed with the complaints of their Black patients, selected by them. They extracted their salary as participants in this genocidal experiment.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Children are targets of Nigerian witch hunt. Evangelical pastors are helping to create a terrible new campaign of violence against young Nigerians. Children and babies branded as evil are being abused, abandoned and even murdered while the preachers make money out of the fear of their parents and their communities
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Watch the video: Child 'witches' in Africa, and click here to see a related gallery
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
My first reaction when I read this news, was to throw myself on the floor, bawling! But there is the danger that once started I might not be able to stop. So my second tought was how Arabs in Europe are branded as evil beings. We are in a economic crises, but are only talking about a specific muslim man who refuses to shake hands with women. And this has to represent all the Arabs and muslims in Europe and proof of their evil nature and plans. So it's much the same as what these ignorant Africans are doing. If Europe wanted to do something for their oppressed women, why not abolish prostitution, which is nothing but good old fashioned slave trade.
Children are targets of Nigerian witch hunt. Evangelical pastors are helping to create a terrible new campaign of violence against young Nigerians. Children and babies branded as evil are being abused, abandoned and even murdered while the preachers make money out of the fear of their parents and their communities
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Watch the video: Child 'witches' in Africa, and click here to see a related gallery
PERHAPS 600 YEARS TO LATE AS THE PORTUGESE MADE THEIR WAY INTO AFRICA TO ABDUCT PEOPLE INTO SLAVERY IN EUROPE, ALREADY IN 1440!
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
AS MUCH I ADMIRE THIS PORTRAIT OF MAGNIFICENTLY BUILD, AFRICAN BORN, JEAN BAPTISTE BELLEY, I MUST SPEAK ABOUT HIM BEING A SLAVEHOLDER AND A GREAT ENEMY OF THE BLACKS. HE FOUGHT IN NAPOLEONS ARMY AGAINST THE HAITIAN BLACKS WHO HAD LIBERATED THEMSELVES FROM SLAVERY. THE FRENCH ARMY EVEN USED POISON GAS. HE WAS LATER SACKED FOR UPSURBING A POSITION RESERVED FOR THE WHITE’S ONLY, AND DIED IN SOME GODFORSAKEN PRISON IN EUROPA.
The Black Jacobins
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer:
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
[Aboriginal children]
Some people get upset by Black woman who wear Blond hairstyles or wigs. They should not because the Blond comes out of the Black. Mother nature knows best. I like Oprah better with curly hair, though.
[Mary J. Blige doing her thing!]
Why all the photoshopped pictures attempting to make Mary appear more WHITE? This is the foundation of RACISM, and how it propagates throughout the world.
In reality, Mary J. is a dark skinned woman with strong African features. To make Mary APPEAR to have strong admixture like yourself, the photo has cropped her nose, changed her hair, and drastically lightened her skin. These things are pleasing and less threatening to the European and admixed eye, but insulting and appalling to a black person.
Dear, hold on now! You are getting personal while you do not know me, nor know my phenotype or identity. I'm with you, all the way as you are trying to solve this goddamn White Supremacy riddle. But I do not believe in oneself becoming the enemy you set out to slay. In my other threads I show how historical Blacks are portrayed as Whites. And they still are as you can see from the pictures of Diana Ross, I have posted. This actually should not matter, but as these people who own the museums, funded by our tax money, use faked paintings, to claim accomplishments from Black identified people, as White accomplishments. I have started 'Thy Nighted Colour' and have a picture in profile of Mary J. Blige. These girls are out to sell records and don't want to frighten away White fans with their black face. So we might disagree on some points, but there is no need for all out hateration.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer:
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: What has happened here with this blue eyed Black hunk-of-burning-love?
What happened to him? Admixture.
In America, he's what we call, high yella, or in the cases of female, red bone. Meaning somewhere in his linage a slave master raped his great grand mother, or his mother integrated with a person of low melanin content.
His blue eyes make him a top candidate of the millions per year at high risk of severe eye damage by solar radiation.
Many blacks today can be found wearing blue or other color contact lens. That's ok, because behind those light lens are dark brown melanin rich solar protected eyes.
You have humour and this is what is missing on the Web.
This true Blue-eyed ‘hunk’ is the actor who was doing Miss Halle Berry in ‘Their Eyes Were Watching God.’ Bringing solace to her thirsty widow’s vagina. Produced by Miss Winfrey too. I remember dear James Baldwin talking about ‘High Yellow Bitches.’ Coming from Surinam this sounded a bit harsh because our ‘Yellow Bitches’ make damn sure to have the Blackest husbands they could find. But you cannot fault people for their genes. And as it is Blacks need all the help they can get. So I’m amazed at how Black’s would discriminate others, who might be potential allies. And as I show in my thread ‘The Enemy of the Negro is the Negro Himself,’ you do not have to be a light skinned Black to be a full blown Housenigger, and sell other Blacks down the river.
quote:Enough of the physical effects of melanin deletion. Now, let's take a glance at the PSYCHOLOGICAL effects of severe melanin deletion. Yes, it has drastic effects on the mind also.
This is where we part way's because I'm not gonna countenance 'Reversed Scientific Racism.' So now Blacks are going to prove that White's are inferior. Well most Blacks are 'infected' with White DNA anyway, so they share in this supposed 'melanin shortage inferiority.'
I have tried to deconstruct racism for you so as not make it this daunting evil. The perceived evil behaviour on their part follows from wrong upbringing and brainwash. But it's usually a bloodthirsty elite which keeps it going as normal White's just wonna get on life with anyone. Then I have pointed out that some Blacks have always assisted those who set out to harm Blacks.
So, you don't care for the wigs either, or not. LMAO! Thanks for creating this thread. Seriously, a defect is a defect no matter what type of spinning dress you wrap around it.
Inferiority, well that's YOUR projection of the emotional response towards the very real information. Like heart disease, albinism is a medical defect. If merely mentioning this makes one a racist I have no problem allowing whites (we don't have "Europeans" in the US) the opportunity to label a black man, a racist. In the end, what does it matter, whites have created a world of denial and repackaging of facts, rather then confront the true source of their medical and psychological issues.
CODE WORD: EUROPEAN, An African and European construct
At this point, I guess it's safe to reveal the "duality" of who you are. In fact, it is very possible that you are but one of many persona you've created on the site.
I have dealt already with your regrettable personal attack, while you seem to have no idea who I'am or what I'm about. And I'm not using other nicks, like this fake 'Egyptian' does, attacking me. There is no fucking 'duality' here, but I'm watching Whites AND BLACK'S. If I were to hate White's, I have to hate Black's too because many were or are still helping to oppress, exploit and enslave Black's. If Blacks would cease perpetrating evil on other Blacks right now things would improve overnight. And then we deal with the other enemy. [/QB]
I have had my eyes on these ugly blond wigs for a long time. Where do they come from? I have read that the Huguenots who had to flee France brought them to Holland. My own research convinced me that leading up to the French Revolution, the Black and Coloured elite were somehow forced to disguise their physical Blackness, which stood for Blue Blood or Old Nobility and superiority. So as not to provoke attacks, and make a concession to equality. The blond wigs went together with white make-up which was laced with heavy metals. This made them also a bleaching cream. If they were White’s, as is claimed, why the hell did they need white make up and bleach? So with these wigs and bleaching crème, they had gloves, wide brimmed hats, umbrella's and veils to keep the complexion as white as possible. We all know that people of colour tan easily. Then all this spilled into portraiture and people described as 'black' would be painted as White's. And these are the fakes they show us in museums.
But Egyptians were fond of wigs too. So wigs were a sign of importantcy as well.
So these are my humble attempts to understand these things and I hope someone will work with me on this, and provide his or her own thoughts.
But to be clear, those blond horsehair wigs should be whipped off and brought outside to be burned!
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
QUESTION (NOT AN ATTACK):
quote: Meninarmer: These cytokines, particularly IL-6, contribute to autoimmune and mental disease development.
Dear,
I have been doing my damnest best to understand all of this, so bear with me. Correct me if I’m wrong without biting my head off, if you please. You say that deficiency of melanin can cause mental illness. Today in Holland they make health policy, institutionalise Black and Moroccan people, based on a scientific research in 1996 which ‘shows’ that Surinam Blacks, Dutch Antillean Blacks and Moroccan Berbers, from the second generation in Europe, show a heightened susceptibility to mental illness, mainly Paranoid Schizophrenia. So this does not include other (West) Africans in Holland, nor Moroccan Arabs, nor other Arabs or even Turks. Then they went to Surinam and found that all Surinam Blacks, from any generation, show a marked tendency to Schizophrenia. I think that for a diagnosis you now only have to look at the persons ethnicity, to stigmatize them as ‘biological inferior.’
Perhaps you might understand why I reacted so strongly to your approach, as you seem to prophesize a reversal of this kind of ‘scientific thinking.’
I have to ad that strongly motivated, and clean living Surinam Blacks and Moroccans in Holland, of the second generation, are ecclipsing drugs and alcohol riddled Dutch youth. This is why they came up with this so-called 'scientific research' straight out of Mein Kampf!
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Depression (psychology), and it's direct connection to Melanin Deficiencies.
mental illness in which a person experiences deep, unshakable sadness and diminished interest in nearly all activities. People also use the term depression to describe the temporary sadness, loneliness, or blues that everyone feels from time to time. In contrast to normal sadness, severe depression, also called major depression, can dramatically impair a person’s ability to function in social situations and at work. People with major depression often have feelings of despair, hopelessness, and worthlessness, as well as thoughts of committing suicide.
Depression can take several other forms. In bipolar disorder, sometimes called manic-depressive illness, a person’s mood swings back and forth between depression and mania. People with seasonal affective disorder typically suffer from depression only during autumn and winter, when there are fewer hours of daylight. In dysthymia (pronounced dis-THI-mee-uh), people feel depressed, have low self-esteem, and concentrate poorly most of the time—often for a period of years—but their symptoms are milder than in major depression. Some people with dysthymia experience occasional episodes of major depression. Mental health professionals use the term clinical depression to refer to any of the above forms of depression.
Surveys indicate that people commonly view depression as a sign of personal weakness, but psychiatrists and psychologists view it as a real illness. In the United States, the National Institute of Mental Health has estimated that depression costs society many billions of dollars each year, mostly in lost work time.
I have had my eyes on these ugly blond wigs for a long time. Where do they come from? I have read that the Huguenots who had to flee France brought them to Holland. My own research convinced me that leading up to the French Revolution, the Black and Coloured elite were somehow forced to disguise their physical Blackness, which stood for Blue Blood or Old Nobility and superiority. So as not to provoke attacks, and make a concession to equality. The blond wigs went together with white make-up which was laced with heavy metals. This made them also a bleaching cream. If they were White’s, as is claimed, why the hell did they need white make up and bleach? So with these wigs and bleaching crème, they had gloves, wide brimmed hats, umbrella's and veils to keep the complexion as white as possible. We all know that people of colour tan easily. Then all this spilled into portraiture and people described as 'black' would be painted as White's. And these are the fakes they show us in museums.
But Egyptians were fond of wigs too. So wigs were a sign of importantcy as well.
So these are my humble attempts to understand these things and I hope someone will work with me on this, and provide his or her own thoughts.
But to be clear, those blond horsehair wigs should be whipped off and brought outside to be burned!
VOLTAIRE 'BLACK'
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
This is how the art of backstabbing looks like. Most of us know already how it feels. Some going on right now on this forum, with the worst kinds of Dutch-Surinam houseniggers on a rampage.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
As a follow up on my statement that things will improof overnight if there was a cut back on Black on Black crime, so I read about Black on Black crime. I know that statistics about crime are usually racist motivated. Still nobody can deny there are also senseless crimes of Black on Black. WHY?
"Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders"
I have uncovered a few of the false identities this Djehuti uses on Egyptsearch.com
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Question: What do you mean by "negro"??... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm shocked at this fake description! He is a fucking, mental case from Surinam origins in Amsterdam, for godsakes!
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Then we get Doug M who sounds just like Djehuti. This is what I would call 'sick and twisted.'
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Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:H.K. Edgerton: "It was the wealthy African leaders who sold the poorer Africans to the slave traders. Blacks want to speak of their African heritage, when it was their heritage who sold them out to slavery. Furthermore, it is not uncommon for blacks today to follow the Muslim religion, and Muslims practice slavery today. But no one wants to talk about that."
Very difficult subject! Where to start to clean up this mess? The Christian angle does not work for me. I listened to a radiointerview of a man who could only study at an university after intervention from president Johnson. He refused to be called African American, as it spell's 'Second Class' citizen. Just 'American' will do. Perhaps Black's should participate in every institution but in order to turn things around. But not to oppress themselves or other's (in Iraq and Africa) even more. I noticed that so-called 'afrocentrism' is completely hijacked in the UK by the Status Quo. So again it's the oppressor who will set the tone.
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Unfortunately, there are far too many examples of this flipping of the African mind.
Black leader defends Confederate Flag, responds to violent attackers
Confederate Flag defender, political activist, former President of the Asheville chapter of the NAACP and 52-year-old black man, H.K. Edgerton was recently accosted by two black men while standing by his confederate flag in front of Asheville High School. Though he was appalled by the alleged violent actions of 19-year-old high school drop-out Andre Dewayne and 32-year-old Kevin Miller, he concedes, "I know and understand their pain because they've been lied to for so long. A lot of people know nothing about that time in history."
Describing the event, Edgerton recalls, "A man approached me quickly and when he got a foot away from me, he lunged at me, tried to grab my flag, spit on me, spit on my flag, bent my flag pole. Then another man, who was older, came. I thought he was going to stop him, but he joined in, striking and spitting on me and bending my flag even more." Edgerton said the incident left lingering injuries to his shoulder.
Though Edgerton empathizes with the anguish of the two men he asserts, "You have to know how to conduct yourselves. And give a man a chance to speak. Many people have heckled me and cursed at me. When giving speeches I've had blacks heckle me and they had to be removed in Columbia and Charleston, but never has anyone accosted me or my flag. It is my 1st amendment right to take a stand, and you must not violate my right to do so."
Edgerton blames the media and the educational system for creating the perception that exists today regarding southern history. "This is a continuation about the lies of the Christian southern white folks during the Civil War. African Americans in this country don't know a thing about that war and that time.
When it comes to rejecting slavery, the actual treatment of slaves is of no importance, in order to condemn this system of total loss of Human Rights and dignity. One human totally subjected to the will and whim of another human. Black folks in Holland did not like me pointing out that most of the Surinam slave masters were Black and/or European Coloureds. Because it interferes with them asking for reparation money. I also pointed out that the money will not reach the poor Surinam folks, but stay with the Black elite. Who now call themselves the Dutch Black Middleclass. I have another name for them...
quote: "When (Civil War Confederate ) General Beaureguard decided they needed another flag, he chose the cross of St. Andrew for these reasons. Most Southerners, in fact, did not want to do away with the stars and stripes because they didn't feel they had done anything wrong. They thought it was the north who was eradicating the Constitution." [1] • "I don’t see [the Ku Klux Klan] as terrorists. I see them as — I hate to use the word ‘vigilante,’ but vigilante sometimes ain’t as bad as you think. When your government fails you and fails to protect you, you have to turn somewhere." [2] • Slaves "were given a new pair of pants and a new pair of shoes every day, and he thinks this white man was cruel! [Black slaves] had the same medical facilities that the white man had. … You look at most of the slave pictures … they are not raggedy and torn. They lived better than most! … Most of them looked better than most of the white folks around and lived better than most of the free world!" [3]
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote: There is no single face in nature, because every eye that looks upon it, sees it from its own angle. So every man's spice-box seasons his own food. – Zora Neale Hurston
I did not know this saying, and I want to thank you for this, but I especially love Zora to pieces when she tells us in ‘Tracks in the Dust,’ about how Blacks themselves were involved in abducting fellow Africans to sell them to European slave traders. This can only be for her love of humanity, to give Blacks a handle on their own behaviour.
I was born and brought up in Surinam, South America, where the president is Black, the doctor is Black, the judge is Black, the president of the University of Surinam is Black and so on, so I can relate to her growing up in the segregated South were the Blacks had their own institutions, and did not favour ‘integration,’ with Whites replacing all the Blacks in position of authority and power. I have no hang ups about being Black.
You change a situation by changing at least one factor. That would be Blacks stop selling each other down the river, any longer. People have sinned against the Black's, but they themselves are still destroying each other. And believe me; I know what I'm talking about! There is still slavery in Africa, for one.
My notion of Black Identity spans 10.000 years of Black civilisation, and not the last 500 years when some Blacks were held in bondage. I refuse to be defined by this small episode. I have nothing against White's as I see most of them as victims of all this White supremacy bullshit. I have been living now for 28 years in Holland and I have never seen one superior White person. We are all just people, and most Dutch are just decent, nice folks who would like to live in peace with all the other nations in the World.
This fiery piece is not directed against anybody, and no one should feel attacked or insulted.
Egmond Codfried
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
This bronze plaque, called 'Stadspenning' was given to six Surinames in the city of The Hague, recently to pay hommage to their 'merits.'
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
I think of Djehuti, with his twenty nicks on this forum, as a Black who hates Blacks.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Hadijatou Mani says she wants to ensure her children's freedom A West African court has found Niger's government guilty of failing to protect a woman from slavery in a landmark case for the region.
The court found in favour of Hadijatou Mani, who says she was sold aged 12 and made to work for 10 years.
A judge ordered the government - which says it has done all it can to eradicate slavery - to pay Ms Mani 10m CFA francs (£12,430; $19,750).
Despite being outlawed, slavery also persists in other West African states.
Ms Mani was quoted as telling reporters in court that she was "very happy" with the decision.
BBC West Africa correspondent Will Ross says the ruling is embarrassing for the government of Niger and sends a strong message that it needs to do more to implement the law and end slavery.
It could also have huge consequences for thousands of other people who have been kept in conditions of slavery across the region, he says.
Court finds state guilty in Niger slavery case October 28, 2008, 12:01 am
NIAMEY (AFP) - West African judges Monday found the state of Niger guilty of failing to protect a woman sold into slavery at the age of 12, in a case with implications across the region.
The court recognised that the young woman, Adidjatou Mani Koraou, now 24, had been "a victim of slavery" and held "the Republic of Niger responsible for the inaction" of its administrative and legal services, according to a ruling read out by a court official.
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^ I see someone's been at the BBC website today! Posted by Alive-(What Box) (Member # 10819) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: I think of Djehuti, with his twenty nicks on this forum, as a Black who hates Blacks.
I'm sure you think up alot of things...
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by Sundjata: Useless post.. I mean, really. Who the hell is "The" Negro, anyways?
I wanted to write n*gger.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried: DO VOTE FOR OBAMA, BUT DO NOT EXPECT ANY GODDAM MIRACLES. I RATHER LOOK AT OBAMA THEN McCAIN. BARACK HAS THIS HIGH, PROUD ASS WHICH INSPIRES ME WHEN I DO MY DAILY SQUATS. LUCKY MICHELLE!
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
But then is one any less of a slave in market capitalism unless you own and work your own capital?
For those who think that workers in capitalist market systems are not "wage slaves", the question is what would you do when your wage contract is abrogated?
How about the following answer: you just have to lease yourself to another owner if you don't want to starve.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
But if Hadijatou Mani had a kin family she could have plotted a successful escape to her kin family any number of times.
It's a good move on her part though: with the compensation earned she could now go into business for herself--and not subject herself to the modern "wage slavery" introduced by the French colonials.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: But then is one any less of a slave in market capitalism unless you own and work your own capital?
For those who think that workers in capitalist market systems are not "wage slaves", the question is what would you do when your wage contract is abrogated?
How about the following answer: you just have to lease yourself to another owner if you don't want to starve.
Dear, I do hope that you are not here to defend slavery. But indeed we are talking about freedom in degrees. Still nothing equals the all out power one human has over another in a slavery based society. But this is what Blacks do to each other today. So thank you for injecting this point of view in the equation. Now, don't be a stranger to this thread!
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The basis for my post is that this news item was all over the Western media as if to make the tendentious point that Africa is mired in wholesale slavery.
Slavery is no more generally tolerated in Africa than child prostitution rings or sex slaves are tolerated in the West by its respective governments.
People are people and their behaviours towards each other are just functions of the state of the general culture in terms of traditions, economics and levels of scientific and historical knowledge.
If blacks behave negatively towards each other then those are the explanations I would offer.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: The basis for my post is that this news item was all over the Western media as if to make the tendentious point that Africa is mired in wholesale slavery.
Slavery is no more generally tolerated in Africa than child prostitution rings or sex slaves are tolerated in the West by its respective governments.
People are people and their behaviours towards each other are just functions of the state of the general culture in terms of traditions, economics and levels of scientific and historical knowledge.
If blacks behave negatively towards each other then those are the explanations I would offer.
Your point is clear, but we are going to change this, no?
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: The basis for my post is that this news item was all over the Western media as if to make the tendentious point that Africa is mired in wholesale slavery.
Slavery is no more generally tolerated in Africa than child prostitution rings or sex slaves are tolerated in the West by its respective governments.
People are people and their behaviours towards each other are just functions of the state of the general culture in terms of traditions, economics and levels of scientific and historical knowledge.
If blacks behave negatively towards each other then those are the explanations I would offer.
We do agree that with the way things are organised in the world today Africans in Africa and in the Diaspora get the short end of the stick. I think of these people who came to spread AIDS in Africa to exterminate Blacks, the disproportionate way Blacks in the USA are incarcerated. Great poverty among Blacks all over the world who are often segregated in violent communities. Young Blacks fleeing Africa in small boats and drownings. The ways Blacks have been written out of Classical History as afrocentric scientist today show us.
So if Black’s want to change this situation they will have to change themselves first. They have to become a people who are different in their minds from their oppressors and reject the stereotypes projected onto them. And keeping other blacks in slavery, the oppression of women, gays or religious minorities is a liability. What I learn from US history is that freeing the slave was a long drawn out process much linked with the internal struggle between the states. But anyone can understand that when you are fighting a war for social change you cannot be pre-occupied with the oppression of large groups in your own ranks. You either have to kill them all, or give them equal rights. This was how Enlightenment offered a way out of Blue Blood oppression of the Europeans.
That’s why Africans must display a greater effort to free their own slaves and their other oppressed minorities.
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Some threaths and sites dealing with Blacks as owners of both White and Black slaves.
I had no idea!!
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The Obama Victory could help the houseniggers like Raymond Djehuti and Reverend Ricardo Pimp to overcome their weaknesses and stop selling their own kind.
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The Agony of Asar: A Thesis on Slavery by the Former Slave, Jacobus Elisa Johannes Capitein, 1717-1747
Was Capitein a traitor? August 11, 2002
By events3
Jacobus Elisa Johannes Capitein was an African who was taken as a slave from his native Africa as a child. He was provided with a high level education, freed and sent back to Africa as a missionary. He wrote two noted treatises, of which this is by far the more important. Curiously, when he requested (from his missionary superiors) that he be allowed to marry a local woman, they instead sent a white European female to be his wife. Although initially highly thought of by his superiors, there is evidence indicative of increasing friction on both sides as to "ways and means" of converting native Africans to Christianity. The Treatise. Capitein, in an argument which essentially pits him against Las Casas' much more voluminous treatise, holds that it is perfectly acceptable for Europeans to hold Africans and African-descended people as their slaves. He cites biblical and canonical sources for this argument. Doubtlessly, various persons would consider this to mean that he was a "traitor" to blacks suffering enslavement!
We should, however, note that Capitein excluded cruel treatment of slaves as not being acceptable by the Christian fathers and biblical testament. Further, he lived in a time where arguing that slavery was unacceptable would have led to him being considered an extremist and resulting in his opinion being dismissed out of hand; whereas arguing for moderate treatment of slaves based on religion would be more likely to be accepted. In addition, such a position meant that the masters of black slaves would be less likely to oppose the conversion and, subsequently, education of their slaves! Such Europeanization, as Ira Berlin has noted in MANY THOUSANDS GONE, generally leads to greater independence and opportunities for slaves - and somewhat less harsh treatment than occurred when slaves were "reAfricanized." As a whole, then, it seems that Capitein (or Asar, which may have been his original name or may have been derived from Afer, referring to an African), was far from "betraying" Africans and persons of African descent and was pursuing policies tending toward the amelioration of the conditions under which they labored.
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FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION
FGM societies have many claims of why this procedure should be done and these are as follows: In most FGM societies one important belief is that this procedure will reduce a women's desire for sex and in doing so will reduce the chance of sex outside the marriage. This is vital to this society as her honor for the family is depended on her not to be opened up prior to marriage. Some view the clitoris and the labia as male parts on a female body, thus removal of these parts enhances the femininity of the girl. It is also believed that unless a female has undergone this procedure she is unclean and will not be allowed to handle food or water. Some groups believe that if the clitoris touches a man's penis the man will die. As well as the belief that if a baby's head touches the clitoris that the baby will die or the breast milk will be poisonous. The belief that an unmutilated female can not conceive, therefore the female should be militated in order to become fertile. Bad genital odors can only be eliminated by removing the clitoris and labia minora. Prevents vaginal cancer. An unmodified clitoris can lead to masturbation or lesbianism. Prevents nervousness from developing in girls and women. Prevents the face from turning yellow. Makes a women's face more beautiful. Older men may not be able to match their wives sex drive. Intact clitoris will generate sexual arousal and in women if repressed can cause nervousness.
EC, Your photo is graphic but it should be placed in context. First, there are those who argue that female excision is noted to have been practiced millenia ago in Ancient Egypt as a religious analogue to male circumcision.
Some claim the practice spread to other parts of Africa and its extra-Africa environs. The practice has been condemned in Egypt--more so recently when a young girl in Upper Egypt died from the operation. In Egypt many Imams and some doctors claim that the act is sanctioned in Islam
The photo is a bit suspect since such activities are done in secret with only women in attendance with the operation carried out on pre-pubescent girls.
The photo is that of a mature female and the photographing of such would not have been permitted.
Most likely, it's a fake photo made for shock value in the West so as to discourage the act.
The reasons for the operation cited above are merely cultural justifications which have nothing to do with the purpose of the original ritual--which by the way is practiced only in some parts of the Islamic and African world.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
EC, Your photo is graphic but it should be placed in context. First, there are those who argue that female excision is noted to have been practiced millenia ago in Ancient Egypt as a religious analogue to male circumcision.
Some claim the practice spread to other parts of Africa and its extra-Africa environs. The practice has been condemned in Egypt--more so recently when a young girl in Upper Egypt died from the operation. In Egypt many Imams and some doctors claim that the act is sanctioned in Islam
The photo is a bit suspect since such activities are done in secret with only women in attendance with the operation carried out on pre-pubescent girls.
The photo is that of a mature female and the photographing of such would not have been permitted.
Most likely, it's a fake photo made for shock value in the West so as to discourage the act.
The reasons for the operation cited above are merely cultural justifications which have nothing to do with the purpose of the original ritual--which by the way is practiced only in some parts of the Islamic and African world.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Was Capitein a Traitor?
I guess he was just monumentally ignorant as many Africans who have been neutered or gelded by Western cultural conditioning.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
EC, Your photo is graphic but it should be placed in context. First, there are those who argue that female excision is noted to have been practiced millenia ago in Ancient Egypt as a religious analogue to male circumcision.
Some claim the practice spread to other parts of Africa and its extra-Africa environs. The practice has been condemned in Egypt--more so recently when a young girl in Upper Egypt died from the operation. In Egypt many Imams and some doctors claim that the act is sanctioned in Islam
The photo is a bit suspect since such activities are done in secret with only women in attendance with the operation carried out on pre-pubescent girls.
The photo is that of a mature female and the photographing of such would not have been permitted.
Most likely, it's a fake photo made for shock value in the West so as to discourage the act.
The reasons for the operation cited above are merely cultural justfications which have nothing to do with the purpose of the original ritual--which by the way is practiced only in some parts of the Islamic and African world.
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General William E. (Kip) Ward Commander, United States Africa Command (Africom).
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Was Capitein a Traitor?
I guess he was just monumentally ignorant as many Africans who have been neutered or gelded by Western cultural conditioning.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
EC, Your photo is graphic but it should be placed in context. First, there are those who argue that female excision is noted to have been practiced millenia ago in Ancient Egypt as a religious analogue to male circumcision.
Some claim the practice spread to other parts of Africa and its extra-Africa environs. The practice has been condemned in Egypt--more so recently when a young girl in Upper Egypt died from the operation. In Egypt many Imams and some doctors claim that the act is sanctioned in Islam
The photo is a bit suspect since such activities are done in secret with only women in attendance with the operation carried out on pre-pubescent girls.
The photo is that of a mature female and the photographing of such would not have been permitted.
Most likely, it's a fake photo made for shock value in the West so as to discourage the act.
The reasons for the operation cited above are merely cultural justifications which have nothing to do with the purpose of the original ritual--which by the way is practiced only in some parts of the Islamic and African world.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Was Capitein a Traitor?
I guess he was just monumentally ignorant as many Africans who have been neutered or gelded by Western cultural conditioning.
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
Was Capitein a Traitor?
I guess he was just monumentally ignorant as many Africans who have been neutered or gelded by Western cultural conditioning.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: EC, Your photo is graphic but it should be placed in context. First, there are those who argue that female excision is noted to have been practiced millenia ago in Ancient Egypt as a religious analogue to male circumcision.
Some claim the practice spread to other parts of Africa and its extra-Africa environs. The practice has been condemned in Egypt--more so recently when a young girl in Upper Egypt died from the operation. In Egypt many Imams and some doctors claim that the act is sanctioned in Islam
The photo is a bit suspect since such activities are done in secret with only women in attendance with the operation carried out on pre-pubescent girls.
The photo is that of a mature female and the photographing of such would not have been permitted.
Most likely, it's a fake photo made for shock value in the West so as to discourage the act.
The reasons for the operation cited above are merely cultural justifications which have nothing to do with the purpose of the original ritual--which by the way is practiced only in some parts of the Islamic and African world.
Dear, it’s not 'my' photo, I just felt it dramatised the problem brilliantly. Male genital mutilation might be wrong too. Now I agree that some foreskins are an eyesore, but definitely not all are, and should not be chopped off. I do honour the Prophet of Islam as a immensely practical man and in order to get as much ‘believers’ on board he said that they could make a incision, but not remove any part of women genitalia. As the ages grow, old traditions are up for scrutiny and some need to be modified or abandoned. I think of face scarification. People don't file their teeth anymore to make them pointy and fierce. This was also practiced way into the 19th century in Suriname by the Loango people, if I recall. But the twist is that the west permits these practices, for the sake of money, but they call them 'labia trimming' to give women a 'designer vagina.' And medical insurance will pay for it too. So I agree with you that while the west demonises Blacks, they perpetrate the same kind of horrors on women. Still I see no reason why an excess of understanding should prevent us from condemning this practice; right now. What good are these traumatised women for the struggle? But the solution should come from the people themselves, with some spurring from the likes of you and me.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Was Capitein a Traitor?
I guess he was just monumentally ignorant as many Africans who have been neutered or gelded by Western cultural conditioning.
In Holland they are pitting the Black Surinamese against the Turks and Moroccans because, god forbids, all these groups would come together to find out they have the same goals and problems in Holland. That they will work together for a better society. I had a discussion with a young Surinam Dutch and he was told by the Dutch that these Muslims were dirty in their habits. I explained to him that Muslims wash their backsides after using the toilet, while the Dutch and others will come and sit anywhere with their shitty bottom. Now who is dirty? I forgot to tell him that these were the same things the Dutch said about his enslaved ancestors.
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EC,
Thanks re the above the "female excision photo". Don't get me wrong. I believe in proven and tested empirical knowledge--which is what science ideally seeks after.
I also believe that acts or behaviour that causes pain to humans without good cause--as in being attacked by a thief in one's home and responding by causing him/her severe pain--are not to be justified. That's how I read the act of "female excision". It is founded on silly ides that have no objective foundation and should therefore not be encouraged.
But you are right about the West's attitude towards customs it considers bad. It's all noise and fanatical racism from their media and followers.
The West is hardly any paragon of virtue in these matters. Think of any instrument of human torture or think of any kind of human rights abuse and the West has alrready perfected it--from burning at the stake, gouging out of eyes, public beheadings, flogging with iron balls or hooks, lynching of Africans, killing by electrocution, drawering and quartering by 4 horses, etc.
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We can agree that Blacks should not see themselves as victims, but to deny the existence of racism brands this man as an enemy of Blacks. ===================================================
Peterson criticizes black leadership in America Matthew Varley Issue date: 3/21/07 Section: Campus News •
Media Credit: Chris Bennett The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson delivered a lecture on "white fear" and race relations Tuesday evening at an event sponsored by the College Republicans.
Problems facing the black community in America are primarily due to the breakdown of the nuclear family, the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson told a half-filled MacMillan 117 Tuesday. His speech was followed by a heated question-and-answer session.
Though he cited personal experiences with segregation during his childhood, Peterson said the major perpetrators of racism in America today are organizations such as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and black leaders like the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
Peterson said such leaders proclaim racism where it does not exist in order to promote themselves - and in the process, he said, they anger black Americans and contradict the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream of a society in which individuals would be judged "not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
"Once (King) was assassinated, Jackson and others took his dream and perverted it - they took good and turned it into evil," Peterson said. "The battle we are fighting has nothing to do with color and everything to do with character."
Peterson - a conservative, nondenominational minister - was born and raised on what he described as a plantation in Alabama. He is the founder of the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny - a group dedicated to, its motto proclaims, "rebuilding the family by rebuilding the man" - and author of "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America."
"We're trying to wake black folks up so they can overcome their anger and move forward," Peterson said of BOND, a nonprofit he said receives no government funding. Peterson was sharply critical of the federal government, which he called "godless" and pointed out that "prior to the civil rights movement, families were together" and helped one another without depending on the government.
Peterson, who advocates a boycott of the NAACP and hosts an annual National Day of Repudiation of Jesse Jackson in Los Angeles, attributed the rise in single motherhood, incarceration and educational discrepancy among blacks to the absence of stable, two-parent households and the tendency to blame white people for problems.
"That state of anger is destroying the black family, the black community itself," Peterson said. In an infrequent invocation of religion in his speech, Peterson said "there's so much anger between the black man and the black woman that I think it's going to take Jesus Christ to come and restore" peace in relationships.
Peterson went on to criticize the use of the term "African American," which he called "ridiculous in itself - because if you're born in America, you're an American."
Peterson also spoke of the presence of "white fear" in American society - white people, he said, have become intimidated by the notion of being labeled racist or threatened with lawsuits for speaking out about issues related to black America.
"White Americans have allowed themselves to be intimidated" into not speaking their minds about race, Peterson said. "White folks who are living today are not responsible for the past. … They need to get rid of the false guilt that they have," he added.
The theme of dwelling on the past became a major issue in the heated question-and-answer session that followed Peterson's lecture. In response to a question about his tendency to speak about black America in the third person, Peterson said, "I don't identify as a black man. I identify as an American, a Christian, a conservative and a Republican. My color doesn't matter to me - it gets me nowhere. It's my character that counts."
"What good is it doing you to identify with your color?" he added, followed by several seconds of silence from the crowd.
A question responding to Peterson's criticism of black welfare families noted the Wagner Act, past policies of the Federal Housing Authority and other forms of government handouts that the questioner said favor white Americans.
"Intelligence is overrated," Peterson responded. "What we need more of is wisdom, because if you were a wise man, you would let the past be gone and live today."
When the same student noted that accumulated privilege would still be inherited by future white generations, Peterson dismissed the student, saying, "I've already wasted too much time on you."
The lecture was organized by the College Republicans and co-sponsored by the Young America Foundation and the Department of Africana Studies.
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^ A black republican will say anything for money. You can always tell when a black republican is lying because his lips will move. Luckily, they are a myopic minority within black America.
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Was Capitein a Traitor?
I guess he was just monumentally ignorant as many Africans who have been neutered or gelded by Western cultural conditioning.
Religion was a key STRATEGIC TOOL used by Europeans to divide and conquer Africa.
To soften up the population, EUros first send in the missionaries with their bibles to convert "heathens" who then believe they are more aligned with white Christians then their own kind. Later the missionaries use them "In The Name Of Jesus" to fight, kill, capture those who aren't "saved".
The invasion of the Knights Templars was preceded by the conversion of 1 million Nubians who were used to march on Jerusalem on the front lines with the Templars far back behind the advance. All million nubians were slaughtered by the Islamic forces. Christianity was such a powerful TOOL for the Europeans you can still observe it's deep affect today. The post above being a prime example.
This explains how a handful of Europeans could divide and conquer an entire continent.
Year 1705 in America Virginia Slavery act decreed that all imported servants were to remain in Life-long servitude. The exception were those who had been Christians in their native country or had been free in a Christian country. This law limited slavery to Negroes and confined all imported Negroes to slavery. Interestingly, an exception was inserted for "Turks and Moors" in amity with her majesty due to collaboration (?).
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Interestingly, an exception was inserted for "Turks and Moors" in amity with her majesty due to collaboration (?).
Do you kindly like to speculate on these 'Turks and Moors' mentioned in an American law?
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Can we believe that some clever and sensitive young boys and girls observe this horrible disharmony between men and women and decide to choose a different, more loving and equal lifestyle. The boy does not want to enslave and oppress women, and the girl does not want to be chained to her jailor and tormenter? As I understand the practice of Female Genital Mutilation is totally controlled by the womenfolk, which shows how the enslavement of the mind works.
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
quote:Originally posted by lamin: EC, Your photo is graphic but it should be placed in context. First, there are those who argue that female excision is noted to have been practiced millenia ago in Ancient Egypt as a religious analogue to male circumcision.
Some claim the practice spread to other parts of Africa and its extra-Africa environs. The practice has been condemned in Egypt--more so recently when a young girl in Upper Egypt died from the operation. In Egypt many Imams and some doctors claim that the act is sanctioned in Islam
The photo is a bit suspect since such activities are done in secret with only women in attendance with the operation carried out on pre-pubescent girls.
The photo is that of a mature female and the photographing of such would not have been permitted.
Most likely, it's a fake photo made for shock value in the West so as to discourage the act.
The reasons for the operation cited above are merely cultural justifications which have nothing to do with the purpose of the original ritual--which by the way is practiced only in some parts of the Islamic and African world.
Dear, it’s not 'my' photo, I just felt it dramatised the problem brilliantly. Male genital mutilation might be wrong too. Now I agree that some foreskins are an eyesore, but definitely not all are, and should not be chopped off. I do honour the Prophet of Islam as a immensely practical man and in order to get as much ‘believers’ on board he said that they could make a incision, but not remove any part of women genitalia. As the ages grow, old traditions are up for scrutiny and some need to be modified or abandoned. I think of face scarification. People don't file their teeth anymore to make them pointy and fierce. This was also practiced way into the 19th century in Suriname by the Loango people, if I recall. But the twist is that the west permits these practices, for the sake of money, but they call them 'labia trimming' to give women a 'designer vagina.' And medical insurance will pay for it too. So I agree with you that while the west demonises Blacks, they perpetrate the same kind of horrors on women. Still I see no reason why an excess of understanding should prevent us from condemning this practice; right now. What good are these traumatised women for the struggle? But the solution should come from the people themselves, with some spurring from the likes of you and me.
White supremacy indoctrination, which we are all victims of, wants us to believe that these people are good, churchgoing folks who would not dream to hurt a fly. But some nappy headed, low down, unkempt, shiftless, plain nasty or uppity Negro’s stirs up trouble. So it’s pure aggravation when these kind folks have to rustle up white bed sheets, rifles, rope and wood to fashion a burning cross, and bring these no-good Blacks to heel. It’s all the fault of the Negro themselves and all the good ones have to suffer too, because of the bad ones.
quote: The “unlike you” part was easy and obvious, they are Black, you are White. The “unlike what you would do” part was easy too - though untrue. But still, the question - what kind of people would sell their own kind, into such misery and death, out of simple greed, is a legitimate one. But of course, Whites only interest in this line of thought, was in finding cover for their own atrocities, and in so doing, avoid damnation. And so, “voila” you have institutional Racism. BTW – the beautiful Christian hymn “Amazing Grace” was written by an English Slave Ship Captain, for whom that convenient rationale, no longer worked.
quote: And in that regard, I do find a strange and peculiar tendency among American Blacks that I do not understand. As I am sure you know, Americas Jails and Prisons are bursting at the seams with Black males. In popular Black American culture, the convict is looked upon as something of a cult hero; ostensibly as one who resists the “Man”. Many phrases in the popular vernacular are from prison slang. The popular style of wearing the pants drooping off the buttocks is derived from the look of prison inmates, who upon initial intake are issued ill-fitting pants, and since they are not allowed belts, the pants droop.
To my point; how does one who gives himself up, completely and totally to the “Man” be perceived as to somehow be resisting the “Man”. In reality, when you are in prison, you eat when the Man says eat. You sleep when the Man says sleep. The man says that you must live in a cage with bars, like a mindless animal, and so you must. I won’t even mention the other stuff that goes on in prisons. But yet somehow, the Black mind can construe this as preferable, perhaps even desirable to washing dishes, moping floors, and the other menial labor that is available – I don’t get it. Personally, I would consider moping floors and washing dishes much preferable to letting the Man get control of me.
There is a ongoing slaughter of albino's in Tanzania. Albino's are blacks. A NRC article from yesterday mentions that unlike before parents don't kill their albino baby at birth but want to keep it alive and safe from witch doctors.
Friday, August 15, 2008 Albinos in Africa catch hell.
Ever wonder about albinos in Africa? Reportedly, one in every 4,000 Africans is born with albinism. Which would add up to nearly a quarter million black albinos on the continent.
Now brace yourself: In Tanzania, people with albinism are being murdered and mutilated... so their body parts can be used for magic.
Embedded below is a 12-minute video report about this phenomenon, broadcast last month on Al Jazeera English.
The second video is about albinos in South Africa. Thankfully, they are not targets for murder... but they do face social ostracism. You’ll meet a young woman from Soweto whose father abandoned her due to her condition.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:posted 20 February, 2009 Yes Egmond; that is exactly what I was getting at. There is no reason for Whites to actually solve the Black Problem. Every Black person who gets an education and successfully competes for a job will displace a White person. Every Black person who avoids prison and manages to find a way to support themselves, not only commands resources, but also welds the political and economic power to garner and control more power and resources. Since power and resources are finite, when one group gains, another must lose. This is the balancing act that the advanced White societies are trying to perfect. Fortunately for Whites, most Blacks in America are oblivious to this seemly obvious reality, so they are able to buy some time.
As an example: can you imaging the chaos in America, if the almost two million Blacks in prison were instead educated young Black men out in society demanding Jobs? There is no way that they could be absorbed; the stress of such a thing could cause collapse of the entire society. So really, isn’t it cheaper to have them in prison?
Luckily most Blacks (and Whites) in these societies lack the intellectual capacity to comprehend the larger picture, and instead, see things strictly in the immediate, which is a continuation of the contrived superior White, inferior Black propaganda that was so useful during the slave era. But then, as now, the real issue is how to gather and maintain more than your equal share of the worlds resources.
Though I am a Black man, I live in one of the advanced societies created by White people by their exploitation of non-Whites. I enjoy having plenty, I enjoy having access to pretty much anything that I want, so long as I can pay for it, and am allowed to earn money to pay for it. I have no intention of giving any of that up, and I don’t think that too many non-Whites in any of these countries are willing to give anything up either, our concern is more with getting a bigger share. Therefore in time, race will become a non issue, there will be no choice for Blacks in these countries but to form alliances with Whites in order to protect their common interest.
My point is that as things evolve, Blacks will eventually figure it out, and realize what the real end game is (getting more than your share). They will then employ thoughtful strategies to accomplish this, and then the ancient battles of the haves and have not’s, exploited and exploiter, will begin anew. And over time, as it becomes necessary to have a rational for why one group is overexploited by another, somebody will come up with something. Perhaps this time it will be language.
Extremely offensive!
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Race: 12 Things The Negro Must Do For Himself by Nannie Helen Burroughs
Every now and then I come across something written years ago that still rings true today, as is the case with Nannie Helen Burroughs’ “12 Things The Negro Must Do For Himself.”
After reading this piece in a local Black newspaper, I decided to reprint it on my website as well because it’s such a well crafted and to the point critique of us as Black people.
And while I am not religious nor male, with similar dates pieces, I take what I can use and I discard the rest. You know, if the shoe fits…
12 Things The Negro Must Do For Himself by Nannie Helen Burroughs
(Circa Early 1900's)
1. The Negro Must Learn To Put First Things First. The First Things Are: Education; Development of Character Traits; A Trade and Home Ownership.
The Negro puts too much of his earning in clothes, in food, in show and in having what he calls "a good time." The Dr. Kelly Miller said, "The Negro buys what he WANTS and begs for what he Needs." Too true!
2. The Negro Must Stop Expecting God and White Folk To Do For Him What He Can Do For Himself.
It is the "Divine Plan" that the strong shall help the weak, but even God does not do for man what man can do for himself. The Negro will have to do exactly what Jesus told the man (in John 5:8) to do--Carry his own load--"Take up your bed and walk."
3. The Negro Must Keep Himself, His Children And His Home Clean And Make The Surroundings In Which He Lives Comfortable and Attractive.
He must learn to "run his community up"--not down. We can segregate by law, we integrate only by living. Civilization is not a matter of race, it is a matter of standards. Believe it or not--some day, some race is going to outdo the Anglo-Saxon, completely. It can be the Negro race, if the Negro gets sense enough. Civilization goes up and down that way.
4. The Negro Must Learn To Dress More Appropriately For Work And For Leisure.
Knowing what to wear--how to wear it--when to wear it and where to wear it, are earmarks of common sense, culture and also an index to character.
5. The Negro Must Make His Religion An Everyday Practice And Not Just A Sunday-Go-To-Meeting Emotional Affair.
6. The Negro Must Highly Resolve To Wipe Out Mass Ignorance.
The leaders of the race must teach and inspire the masses to become eager and determined to improve mentally, morally and spiritually, and to meet the basic requirements of good citizenship.
We should initiate an intensive literacy campaign in America, as well as in Africa. Ignorance--satisfied ignorance--is a millstone abut the neck of the race. It is democracy's greatest burden.
Social integration is a relationship attained as a result of the cultivation of kindred social ideals, interests and standards. It is a blending process that requires time, understanding and kindred purposes to achieve. Likes alone and not laws can do it.
7. The Negro Must Stop Charging His Failures Up To His "Color" And To White People's Attitude.
The truth of the matter is that good service and conduct will make senseless race prejudice fade like mist before the rising sun.
God never intended that a man's color shall be anything other than a badge of distinction. It is high time that all races were learning that fact. The Negro must first QUALIFY for whatever position he wants. Purpose, initiative, ingenuity and industry are the keys that all men use to get what they want. The Negro will have to do the same. He must make himself a workman who is too skilled not to be wanted, and too DEPENDABLE not to be on the job, according to promise or plan. He will never become a vital factor in industry until he learns to put into his work the vitalizing force of initiative, skill and dependability. He has gone "RIGHTS" mad and "DUTY" dumb.
8. The Negro Must Overcome His Bad Job Habits.
He must make a brand new reputation for himself in the world of labor. His bad job habits are absenteeism, funerals to attend, or a little business to look after. The Negro runs an off and on business. He also has a bad reputation for conduct on the job--such as petty quarrelling with other help, incessant loud talking about nothing; loafing, carelessness, due to lack of job pride; insolence, gum chewing and--too often--liquor drinking. Just plain bad job habits!
9. He Must Improve His Conduct In Public Places.
Taken as a whole, he is entirely too loud and too ill-mannered.
There is much talk about wiping out racial segregation and also much talk about
achieving integration.
Segregation is a physical arrangement by which people are separated in various services.
It is definitely up to the Negro to wipe out the apparent justification or excuse for segregation.
The only effective way to do it is to clean up and keep clean. By practice, cleanliness will become a habit and habit becomes character.
10. The Negro Must Learn How To Operate Business For People--Not For Negro People, Only.
To do business, he will have to remove all typical "earmarks," business principles; measure up to accepted standards and meet stimulating competition, graciously--in fact, he must learn to welcome competition.
11. The Average So-Called Educated Negro Will Have To Come Down Out Of The Air.
He Is Too Inflated Over Nothing. He Needs An Experience Similar To The One That Ezekiel Had--(Ezekiel 3:14-19). And He Must Do What Ezekiel Did Otherwise, through indifference, as to the plight of the masses, the Negro, who thinks that he has escaped, will lose his own soul. It will do all leaders good to read Hebrew 13:3, and the first Thirty-seven Chapters of Ezekiel.
A race transformation itself through its own leaders and its sensible "common people." A race rises on its own wings, or is held down by its own weight. True leaders are never "things apart from the people." They are the masses. They simply got to the front ahead of them. Their only business at the front is to inspire to masses by hard work and noble example and challenge them to "Come on!" Dante stated a fact when he said, "Show the people the light and they will find the way!"
There must arise within the Negro race a leadership that is not out hunting bargains for itself. A noble example is found in the men and women of the Negro race, who, in the early days, laid down their lives for the people. Their invaluable contributions have not been appraised by the "latter-day leaders." In many cases, their names would never be recorded, among the unsung heroes of the world, but for the fact that white friends have written them there.
"Lord, God of Hosts, Be with us yet."
The Negro of today does not realize that, but, for these exhibits A's, that certainly show the innate possibilities of members of their own race, white people would not have been moved to make such princely investments in lives and money, as they have made, for the establishment of schools and for the on-going of the race.
12. The Negro Must Stop Forgetting His Friends. "Remember."
Read Deuteronomy 24:18. Deuteronomy rings the big bell of gratitude. Why? Because an ingrate is an abomination in the sight of God. God is constantly telling us that "I the Lord thy God delivered you"--through human instrumentalities.
The American Negro has had and still has friends--in the North and in the South. These friends not only pray, speak, write, influence others, but make unbelievable, unpublished sacrifices and contributions for the advancement of the race--for their brothers in bonds.
The noblest thing that the Negro can do is to so live and labor that these benefactors will not have given in vain. The Negro must make his heart warm with gratitude, his lips sweet with thanks and his heart and mind resolute with purpose to justify the sacrifices and stand on his feet and go forward--"God is no respector of persons. In every nation, he that feareth him and worketh righteousness is" sure to win out. Get to work! That's the answer to everything that hurts us. We talk too much about nothing instead of redeeming the time by working.
We have always had a few nutty professors on this forum with twenty or so nicks used all together at once, like Djehuti. I feel that these same persons now present themselves as anti-afrocentrists, to vent their hatred of humanity even more. The enemy of the Negro is the Negro himself and these blacks have obviously lost it completely.
This one was created when that fucked up soldier, that closet gay, petered out!
Posted by Bettyboo (Member # 12987) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
[HOUSENEGRO OF STATE: MASRA QUASSI]
Much evil has been done to the Black man, and it’s still going on. But none of this could have been possible without the collaboration of other Blacks. Masra Quassi would actually spy, and guide the colonial armies into the swamps of Surinam to recapture runaway slaves and to destroy their villages and strongholds. He was greatly honoured and received a golden plaque which read: 'Vriend der Blanken.'
Egmond, Вы говорите на нидерландском языке или papiemento? Я удивлен, что Surinamese используют черномазого дома срока, потому что это - срок, который мы используем в Соединенных Штатах.
Egmond, sprechen Sie Niederländisch oder papiemento? Ich bin überrascht, dass Surinamese den Frist-Hausnigger verwenden, weil das eine Frist ist, die wir in den Vereinigten Staaten verwenden.
Edmond, u spreekt papiemento of Nederlandse? Het verbaast mij dat Surinamese gebruikmaakt van het woord huis nigger. Dat is een woord die we gebruiken in de Verenigde Staten.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
How do we get rid of this fucked up soldier, that closet gay? He is running these horrid anti-black threads. A black turncoat behaving so sickening.
Why can't he just go and hang himself in his shed as every good disturbed Iraqi killer does?
Mike111, yall live in Chicago, can't you call the law on him? He needs help.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
We are lucky this housenigger described himself to a teeth!
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Listen you little whiney fu!k..some times It's just a Fukin Movie..it's art you take away whatever the hell you want..and yes I do dicusssed Afocentrism and African history and conditon with my possitive loving white friends and Yellow ones too..I being not the one to hold back on my opionion on anything...because that's how Anansi roll...you like to think even in a fantasy movie that the Blackman even if he is Potus has to be someones slave...your twisted mind cannot concieve..even in fantasy of the Blackman holding his own...in your mind he is always the immutable slave doing What you call massa's bidding...you are a sad Joke indeed.Fuk-u and good-nite have a pleasent tommrrow.
He considers movies just movies as if blacks did not suffer and protested hollywood racism for ages!
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
These day I really cannot think about anything else. If blacks are still at a disadvantage, it's their own doing. Their leaders are to blame for consistenly selling their brothers into submission. The Black looks at another Black doing something, fighting to be free and he loathes him, seeks to deflate him, to win favour with whites. I have studied whites for thirty long years and find nothing superior in them. They might have more money and stuff and access to information, but even today Blacks can always go to a library and inform themselves. And love themselves.
Posted by Egmond Codfried (Member # 15683) on :
quote:Originally posted by Egmond Codfried:
Cannot improve on this image. Blacks should stop acting like crabs in a barrel, for if we want to get out of this ditch we need to work together. Be critical, but not in a way that stops working together, putting or minds together.
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