In responce to the afrocentric loons making threads and posting ugly black women, i show you some real beauty:
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
This 'white' man is on a BLACK FORUM complaining about BLACK PEOPLE creating threads and posting pictures of BLACK WOMEN/PEOPLE....
Black People disgust you...But YET AND STILL...lol...You are here...Among us...It's a sure bet this isn't the only Black forum you log on and/or post...What does this say about YOU pale-man? It says NUFF....
Yuh deh pon skunt, and yuh ah next poppy show too.. LLS
and no, this man's thread doesn't trouble me in the least, lol...my point is made in the first paragraph above, a point I felt to make due to a comment/complaint he made in the OP about the posting of pictures of Black Women- again, on a Black Forum...
SMH gotta laugh...
Posted by Calabooz ' (Member # 18238) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: In responce to the afrocentric loons making threads and posting ugly black women, i show you some real beauty:
Unlike you, the "black beauty" thread isn't some retaliatory response to people like you. Rather, it is there for people to appreciate BLACK BEAUTY. Your goals seem different though. Calling black women "ugly" and saying that these women are the "real beauty" LOL. What are you trying to prove?
Posted by Omo Baba (Member # 18816) on :
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Not a lot of countries to choose from. Only 5 total.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Calabooz ':
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: In responce to the afrocentric loons making threads and posting ugly black women, i show you some real beauty:
Unlike you, the "black beauty" thread isn't some retaliatory response to people like you. Rather, it is there for people to appreciate BLACK BEAUTY.
'white' people can not seem to overstand that..which probably is due to the fact that they are aware of their own badmind motives/ill intent/malice and thus project these motives/ill intent/malice onto other people...
quote: Your goals seem different though. Calling black women "ugly" and saying that these women are the "real beauty" LOL. What are you trying to prove?
The only thing he is proving is....that....him deh pon some real skunt...he likes to par with and engage in conversations with Black People online (at the very least, online)...that he spends his time focusing on the issues of Black Women....that he doesn't care much for his own pale people because he ain't focused on them not ah rass all he does is whine and bawl bout Black People- here on a Black forum....that he cares more about the problems of Black Women than he does 'white' women...he is not so smart as he thinks he is...
There are a few other things he's proven to us all, but that should suffice.... Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Not a lot of countries to choose from. Only 5 total.
WOW...that's all?
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. That says a lot....in that, you are such a global minority, kind of a scarey thought for you huh.... Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Not a lot of countries to choose from. Only 5 total.
WOW...that's all?
Actually it should make one feel kind of special don't you think?
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. That says a lot....in that, you are such a global minority, kind of a scarey thought for you huh....
Actually it should make one feel kinda special don't you think? Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl:
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: Not a lot of countries to choose from. Only 5 total.
WOW...that's all?
Actually it should make one feel kind of special don't you think?
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. That says a lot....in that, you are such a global minority, kind of a scarey thought for you huh....
Actually it should make one feel kinda special don't you think?
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Oh yes, you are absolutely right... it takes a such a special kind of minority people to wreak so much havoc and destruction and cause so much problem over and around the whole of Mama Earth and her majority populations...yes, very special indeed...
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^You really don't need to know the truth because it would cut you like a knife. And I'm such a nice person I would really hate to ruin your week.
Anyways back to that in which the thread was intended to begin with. A girl from Iceland.
Posted by Confirming Truth (Member # 17678) on :
Majestic!!!
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl:
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
I thought this was a very pretty Swedish girl.
I read the site from where I got the image and found out she's no longer alive. Brutally beaten and raped. Here's a link to the story and a picture of her killer.
Those faces are familiar. You see the big planes flying in from Europe--especially the Scandinavian countries--during the high season[October to May] disgorging paleness. They are all there to find their dream man.
You see those pale faces on the beaches advertising everything from the neck downwards--just to attract their dream men.
And when you look closely, there's nothing special, just pale blandness in need of a tonic.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Those faces are familiar. You see the big planes flying in from Europe--especially the Scandinavian countries--during the high season[October to May] disgorging paleness. They are all there to find their dream man.
You see those pale faces on the beaches advertising everything from the neck downwards--just to attract their dream men.
And when you look closely, there's nothing special, just pale blandness in need of a tonic.
LOL.....
btw you know, now that Confirmed Eediat is in this thread showing his support of 'white' genocide this picture becomes even more relevant to this thread:
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Those faces are familiar. You see the big planes flying in from Europe--especially the Scandinavian countries--during the high season[October to May] disgorging paleness. They are all there to find their dream man.
You see those pale faces on the beaches advertising everything from the neck downwards--just to attract their dream men.
And when you look closely, there's nothing special, just pale blandness in need of a tonic.
Are you referring to
AFRICAN
OR
AFRO-CARIBBEAN?
I GUESS IT NUH MATTA STILL....BECAUSE...EIDDA WAY....
IS A BLACK MAN/BLACK HOOD DEM WANT/AH CHASE AFTER....
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
quote:Originally posted by lamin: Those faces are familiar. You see the big planes flying in from Europe--especially the Scandinavian countries--during the high season[October to May] disgorging paleness. They are all there to find their dream man.
You see those pale faces on the beaches advertising everything from the neck downwards--just to attract their dream men.
And when you look closely, there's nothing special, just pale blandness in need of a tonic.
LOL.....
btw you know, now that Confirmed Eediat is in this thread showing his support of 'white' genocide this picture becomes even more relevant to this thread:
I think it's a tragic loss of life regardless of her race. You on the other hand think that it is a laughing matter simply because she was white. Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
I was referring to Gambia, Senegal, Cape Verde, Bissau--i.e. anywhere where paleness feels safe.
But I hear it's the same in Rastaland. In other words wherever Africa is.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: I think it's a tragic loss of life regardless of her race. You on the other hand think that it is a laughing matter simply because she was white.
DUTTYGYAL... WHO'S LAUGHING AT HER DEATH? WHERE DID I SAY A DAM THING ABOUT HER DEATH, MUCH LESS LAUGH AFTER HER? DUNCE-BAT GYAL... MY COMMENT DID NOT CONCERN YOU NOR WAS IT ADDRESSED TO YOU...DO NOT PURPORT TO KNOW WHAT I THINK OR DO NOT THINK, UNLESS YOU HEAR ME SAY IT...DUNCE-B*TCH YOU HAVE NOT A CLUE....
SO GO FOLD UP INA CORNER AND STFU WITH YOUR NONSENSE...
YOU'RE STARTING TO BORE ME NOW... FURTHER MORE, HAD SHE BEEN MURDERED BY A 'WHITE' MALE, YOU WOUDLN'T HAVE HAD ONE INCLINATION TO POST ANY INFO BOUT HER MURDER OR WHO DID IT...MOVE AND GWEY Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: I was referring to Gambia, Senegal, Cape Verde, Bissau--i.e. anywhere where paleness feels safe.
But I hear it's the same in Rastaland. In other words wherever Africa is.
It's the same in all Black nations...It's nothing new....the amalgamation laws in the U.S. were first created by 'white' men to keep the ENGLISHWOMEN (aka 'white' women) away from the Black Men, whom so many seemed to prefer....it was an affront to the 'white' men, who had to threaten all kinds of punishments on 'white' women and/or men for involving in relations/relationship with Black Men/Women...it did no good LMAO...some 'white' women were willing to accept a lifetime of slavery for the love of a Black Man...
FACT...for those who don't know....
Posted by Calabooz ' (Member # 18238) on :
Simple Girl says:
"And a picture of her killer"
L-M-A-O! Obviously thats your way of saying: 'She was killed by a black man'.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Calabooz ': Simple Girl says:
"And a picture of her killer"
L-M-A-O! Obviously thats your way of saying: 'She was killed by a black man'.
yeah...it didn't take a rocket scientist to know that "Here's a link to the story and a picture of her killer." = see she was killed by a n*gger...BEFORE even looking at the story...because this woman's murder wouldn't have been mentioned much less story of it posted had her killer been a 'white' dude...
That's what they do on stormfront...they talk about violence inflicted on 'white' women by Black Men...post story after story constantly...they ignore and do not address the issue of 'white' women *hush hush* being murdered raped and abused by the ones who are the majority of the ones doing it to them: 'white' males. It's not discussed and no stories posted...I guess it's ok in the 'white' community for 'white' males to beat, rape, murder, etc their 'white' women.
I don't care what 'race' a woman is, NO woman should be abused raped murdered etc....
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
^This is what you said below:
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights: it takes a such a special kind of minority people to wreak so much havoc and destruction and cause so much problem over and around the whole of Mama Earth and her majority populations...yes, very special indeed... [/QB]
And now that I've responded, you don't want to play anymore. It's all of the sudden a one-sided deal. You are quick to accuse white people of being evil,, but when the tables are turned,you suddenly want to pick up your toys and run home. I see how you are. Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
You come into this thread and respond with some kind of message like that, and you expect no one to retaliate? I try to be subtle and nice about it, but you make it difficult. Get a life and quit hating so much. You'll be a much happier person if you do.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Simple girl what was the point of posting that woman if not to bring up a black man killed her. How Hypocritical.
I don't know if you would consider this Nordic but this is the kind of white women I think are attractive...
Don't know if thats "Nordic" or not..
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
^She looks more Mediterranean or southeastern European to me.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Not all Northern Europeans are blond majority have dark hair.
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: Not all Northern Europeans are blond majority have dark hair.
You're probably right. She could be northern European. It easy to stereotype. Someone says northern European and most everyone thinks blond hair and blue eyes. And if they don't have those features it easy to think that they may have ancestry elsewhere. I would have rather this thread had been about Europeans in general.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
Yeah I agree. I don't understand why so many men love blonds anyway, Dark hair to me is so sexy, Ive seen many White Girls who are beautiful with Dark Hair. Ive never been with a White Girl but I knew one whom I could have and she had Dark Hair and Green Eyes.
Unlike the O.P and others I admit that there are beautiful women of all races, Im not into Asian women but Ive seen some beautiful Asian women, White women and Black and Latino women.
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl: ^This is what you said below:
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights: it takes a such a special kind of minority people to wreak so much havoc and destruction and cause so much problem over and around the whole of Mama Earth and her majority populations...yes, very special indeed...
And now that I've responded, you don't want to play anymore. It's all of the sudden a one-sided deal. You are quick to accuse white people of being evil,, but when the tables are turned,you suddenly want to pick up your toys and run home. I see how you are. [/QB]
quote:Demographers say the numbers provide the clearest confirmation yet of a changing social order, one in which racial and ethnic minorities will become the U.S. majority by midcentury.
''But we can always head back to Europe''. Oh really?
quote:There will be billions more people in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Of these, tens of millions will migrate to Europe and America, while the indigenous populations of most countries in the rich world will either stagnate or decline.
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: People of the African Nile and Sahara, and . . . .Greek Isles
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
Don't know if thats "Nordic" or not.. ======
It's North-Atlantid. A cross between Atlanto-Meditterinid and Nordid. Many white Irish and British people have this phenotype (dark hair, and mixed med appearance but light eyes).
Origins:
Re-emergence of a Mesolithic/Neolithic Atlanto-Mediterranid strain through a chrysalis of Nordish types; the Mediterranid strain, primarily associated with the western European coastal culture of the Megaliths, is one of the locally oldest racial strains in Britain, only predated by the Paleolithic settlements of Cro-Magnids ("Brünn") following the Last Glacial Maximum.
Description:
The North-Atlantid takes an intermediate morphological and anthropometric position between the tall Atlanto-Mediterranid and Nordish (chiefly Nordid) types involved in its formation, but the latter elements predominate, and the impression is more usually of an "exotic Nordid" phenotype than of a "nordicized Mediterranid" one.
Example:
jennifer connelly -
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
Nah seh nutten...I'll wait for someone else... Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
Nordic Racial Type -
From Tarim Basin, China (c. 2000 BC) to modern day Scandinavia -
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Demographers say the numbers provide the clearest confirmation yet of a changing social order, one in which racial and ethnic minorities will become the U.S. majority by midcentury.
''But we can always head back to Europe''. Oh really?
quote:There will be billions more people in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Of these, tens of millions will migrate to Europe and America, while the indigenous populations of most countries in the rich world will either stagnate or decline.
And why should any of this concern me? If those countries want to let those people in that is their business. I already live in a predominately black neighborhood so it doesn't bother me in the least bit to be in the minority. I'm used to it. Go pick on someone else.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Saharanids and Africa-nids of the Nile region of East Africa:
Posted by Calabooz ' (Member # 18238) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl:
quote:Originally posted by -Just Call Me Jari-: Not all Northern Europeans are blond majority have dark hair.
You're probably right. She could be northern European. It easy to stereotype. Someone says northern European and most everyone thinks blond hair and blue eyes. And if they don't have those features it easy to think that they may have ancestry elsewhere. I would have rather this thread had been about Europeans in general.
Great, you finally get it. Now apply this logic to African people and retract many of your previous statements LOL
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl:
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Demographers say the numbers provide the clearest confirmation yet of a changing social order, one in which racial and ethnic minorities will become the U.S. majority by midcentury.
''But we can always head back to Europe''. Oh really?
quote:There will be billions more people in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Of these, tens of millions will migrate to Europe and America, while the indigenous populations of most countries in the rich world will either stagnate or decline.
And why should any of this concern me? If those countries want to let those people in that is their business. I already live in a predominately black neighborhood so it doesn't bother me in the least bit to be in the minority. I'm used to it. Go pick on someone else.
LOL, dumbass. Why do you ignore a post that was specifically replying to you, and go on to reply to one instead that didn't even quote your flat behind.
Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Swenet
You should expect no less from Village Idiot(Simply Stupid) she thinks she can pick and choose what posts to respond to because many of the Posts makes her brain hurt. Bahahahaahah
She is a person who you should expect very little from.
Peace
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote: Now apply this logic to African people and retract many of your previous statements LOL
Oh now we know that's not gonnna happen...
quote:...your flat behind.
Mind you give DuttyGyal a complex and she run go spend all har savings ah get batty injections
Ooooooh! So that's her problem true a Black Man (probably one on har block) f*ck har and lef har and nuh even look much less fart pon har again, lol, so now she bitta like cerasee....lol
there are no shortage of 'white' women who date/f*ck Black Men, who talk big ish bout Black Women/Black People....all the while forgetting that the Black Men they date/f*ck 9 times outta 10 CAME FROM A BLACK WOMAN/WOMB.... lol....
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by Simple Girl:
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Demographers say the numbers provide the clearest confirmation yet of a changing social order, one in which racial and ethnic minorities will become the U.S. majority by midcentury.
''But we can always head back to Europe''. Oh really?
quote:There will be billions more people in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Of these, tens of millions will migrate to Europe and America, while the indigenous populations of most countries in the rich world will either stagnate or decline.
And why should any of this concern me? If those countries want to let those people in that is their business. I already live in a predominately black neighborhood so it doesn't bother me in the least bit to be in the minority. I'm used to it. Go pick on someone else.
LOL, dumbass. Why do you ignore a post that was specifically replying to you, and go on to reply to one instead that didn't even quote your flat behind.
Oh that's the way you want it? You want to match story for story to show me that one bad deed deserves another. But you want to make it look as if one side is justified and the other isn't. You and pom pom boy are two sick demented pos that are at the bottom of the barrel of humanity. You both think that one good turn deserves another but the side you picked is right and the other side just needs to set back and get what they have coming to them. Well pom pom boy, go ahead and take whats coming to you. Set a good example for us all.
My example was in response to a thoughtless poster who wants to demonize all whites to make excuses for her own imagined failure as a human being. My point was that there is evil in all races not just one race the way she's trying to make it out to be. And you two just ignored the whole point I was trying to make. Whether by stupidty or just ill reason it doesn't matter. You're both sick and demented to come back here and demand a response expecting me to match story for story. It would only show myself and everybody else that I am no better than the two scumbags that you are. Murder is a bad thing no matter who it is.
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
quote: Now apply this logic to African people and retract many of your previous statements LOL
Oh now we know that's not gonnna happen...
quote:...your flat behind.
Mind you give DuttyGyal a complex and she run go spend all har savings ah get batty injections
Ooooooh! So that's her problem true a Black Man (probably one on har block) f*ck har and lef har and nuh even look much less fart pon har again, lol, so now she bitta like cerasee....lol
there are no shortage of 'white' women who date/f*ck Black Men, who talk big ish bout Black Women....all the while forgetting that the Black Men they date/f*ck 9 times outta 10 CAME FROM A BLACK WOMAN/WOMB.... lol....
You lady really need some help. I have never seen anyone that hated themselves so much as to try and find blame and guilt in others just to soothe their own discontent. I can see right through you. Everything that I write on this board is either something that I believe in, or something that I know to be the truth. You have so much hate for me that you're willing to disrespect everything I say, think or feel unless it is said to soothe your hurt ego.
You don't do anything for mankind but try and breed more hate and discontent. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You are no better than anyone else you accuse. In fact you're an exact reflection of the very thing you claim to hate the most.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
Better for you if I don't response to this... that being said...
GWEY DUTTYGYAL Posted by KING (Member # 9422) on :
Simple Girl
Simple I don't believe in murder..I also don't support attacking ANY Woman for any reason. Whether you believe me or not, I believe in Love and Peace. I don't like tit for Tat attacks, hence the reason why I ignored your post in the other thread.
If you took offence to my post because a person died, then I apologize and I don't mean anything disrespectful. I hope people can overcome there hate and anger towards eachother and reach out for a higher level of respect.
Peace
Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Oh that's the way you want it? You want to match story for story to show me that one bad deed deserves another.
Lol, Simplegirl, where is your brain? You started posting specifics about black on white violence from out of the blue, and expect people to leave it at that, without balancing out your ku klux clan propaganda? LOL.
If you can't take the heat, stay outta the kitchen, child. Its nothing to native people of whatever region, to relay what crimes Europeans have done there during colonial days. Don't even go there, it will backfire in your face, trust me.
@King, don't bye into Simplegirls tantrum. The intention wasn't to approve of murder, the intention was to show her how easily her mention of ''black on white'' and ''white on black'' crimes backfire on those with racialist/racist intentions.
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
oh for God's sake, those are pictures from Lord of the Rings, those pictures are not how she looks off screen...
and this is not Natural neidda:
quote: Cate Blanchett has forgotten what her actual hair color is; she's usually seen with blonde, strawberry blonde or red hair.
quote: HOW TO GET THE RIGHT SHADE OF BLONDE
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If the man is going to post "Nordic Beauty" the blondes he posts as such should at least be NATURAL blondes, without the dye-jobs or added highlights, REAL BLONDE NORDICS, no?
Just a thought still.... Posted by Swenet (Member # 17303) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
oh for God's sake, those are pictures from Lord of the Rings, those pictures are not how she looks off screen...
HAHAHA Exactly. While Cash-in-the-minus is at it, he might as well grab pictures of barbies and blondes out of comics.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
oh for God's sake, those are pictures from Lord of the Rings, those pictures are not how she looks off screen...
HAHAHA Exactly. While Cash-in-the-minus is at it, he might as well grab pictures of barbies and blondes out of comics.
lol...yes him ah Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Swenet:
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides:
oh for God's sake, those are pictures from Lord of the Rings, those pictures are not how she looks off screen...
HAHAHA Exactly. While Cash-in-the-minus is at it, he might as well grab pictures of barbies and blondes out of comics.
actually.... do you know the meaning of his screen name... go look into it nuh....all now dem nuh too sure exactly where these islands were...there are 'attempts to identify them' and 'suggestions' as to where they are...but exactly where they are? Nah. Poor cashiterides...lost and not really found...
OH, AND BY THE BY....LOOK WHAT CAME UP:
quote:Topic: Cassiterides got banned from his creationist forum.
Could it be...could it be this same cashiterides who likes to hang out here with us Black People? and same one who created a thread here on our forum which was all about how many forums Egmond is banned from? if so, poor him....
ah dat mi waa know too and if ah more than one forum since him waa point his finger at Egmond
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XMh5Zc1RZw I sniff sniff dedicate this song^ to Cassi..cause nobody wants him. Just because you are a racist troll who misrepresents,out right lies and a torturer of the truth..
I am sorry Cass.. .. BUT I ENJOY SEEING YOU IN PAIN Smilies courtesy of T&R.
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
Brada, you waa ah rass lick
tap tief mi tings
Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Mi just borrow it... Posted by Brada-Anansi (Member # 16371) on :
Wah you a du up dis early?
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Wah you a du up dis early?
WHOIII....if mi eva ansa dat...
Posted by cassiterides (Member # 18409) on :
And if you read that link you would see the post where i clearly stated i SELF-banned myself, and this was quite a while ago. Only official ban i have recieved was from my other username Anglo_Pyramidologist on Amazonforums (for posting political material they didn't agree with since they are anti free speech).
Tried to also get edits in on biased wikipedia but they also closed down my account there, though apparently they do this to everyone, even including most users on this forum.
I'm not like egmond who has been banned on about 30 different forums for his retard posts that are only posted for a reaction.
Egmond is a fake/troll who joins history forums posting Elizabeth I was a black woman.
Here is Elizabeth I -
Would someone like to point out what is black about her? Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Posted by Nyasha (Member # 19234) on :
posts like this makes me so depressed):
Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
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Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: And if you read that link you would see the post where i clearly stated i SELF-banned myself, and this was quite a while ago. Only official ban i have recieved was from my other username Anglo_Pyramidologist on Amazonforums (for posting political material they didn't agree with since they are anti free speech).
Tried to also get edits in on biased wikipedia but they also closed down my account there, though apparently they do this to everyone, even including most users on this forum.
I'm not like egmond who has been banned on about 30 different forums for his retard posts that are only posted for a reaction.
Egmond is a fake/troll who joins history forums posting Elizabeth I was a black woman.
Here is Elizabeth I -
Would someone like to point out what is black about her?
stop the noise
I don't follow Egmond Cocktekka and his likkle yes-man fan club, you would have to ask one ah dem deh....where the f*ckclaat you get the stupid idea that if one Black Person thinks something, we All think it?
In your own special way, you ain't that different from Egmond...though you get credit for your lack of graphic pornographic battyman rants....
Friggin claffy. Posted by Calabooz ' (Member # 18238) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nyasha: posts like this makes me so depressed):
Why?
Posted by TruthAndRights (Member # 17346) on :
quote:Originally posted by Calabooz ':
quote:Originally posted by Nyasha: posts like this makes me so depressed):
Why?
yes this is going to be interesting... Posted by Simple Girl (Member # 16578) on :
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Posted by SirInfamous (Member # 16497) on :
Not bad, the second most beautiful type of women on the planet.
Funnily enough, no nordic beauties found their way into Truthcentric's top then 'hottest women', which can be found in his pages on a website called Deviant Art, (along with all his drawings of bootylicious black Egyptians)...
Slightly prefer the Mediterranean type myself, I must admit, but there are some nordic types I find tolerably pleasing on the eye...
Keira Knightley
Diane Kruger
Naomi Watts
...
Nuff said:
Whereas an Albino Green snake is pink:
An Albino Brown baby is pink: Psoraisis already?
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
quote:Originally posted by rahotep101: blah..blah..blah......
Slightly prefer the Mediterranean type myself, I must admit, but there are some nordic types I find tolerably pleasing on the eye...
Diane Kruger
Naomi Watts
...
Nuff said:
Whereas an Albino Green snake is pink:
An Albino Brown baby is pink: Psoraisis already?
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthAndRights: This 'white' man is on a BLACK FORUM complaining about BLACK PEOPLE creating threads and posting pictures of BLACK WOMEN/PEOPLE....
Black People disgust you...But YET AND STILL...lol...You are here...Among us...It's a sure bet this isn't the only Black forum you log on and/or post...What does this say about YOU pale-man? It says NUFF....
Yuh deh pon skunt, and yuh ah next poppy show too.. LLS
and no, this man's thread doesn't trouble me in the least, lol...my point is made in the first paragraph above, a point I felt to make due to a comment/complaint he made in the OP about the posting of pictures of Black Women- again, on a Black Forum...
SMH gotta laugh...
While I might not agree with the OP being so rude about black women, I never noticed any sign saying that Egyptsearch is or was a black forum. it's not called 'Blacksearch'. What is the case for forum apartheid?
Everything gives the impression that this place was set up for all things to do with Egypt, though it seems to have become overrun by race-issue obsessed Afrocentrists. I fail to see how a beauty contest of negresses qualifies as remotely to do with Egypt. If that can go in a section called 'Ancient Egypt' then a parade of nordic females is hardly less relevant, and there's no point whining about it!
Is negress an offensive term? Put a stop to the usual suspects who go on about 'albinos' and 'pink-boys' all the time and I'll start pretending I care.
Posted by IronLion (Member # 16412) on :
^You doan like me calling you out as a pink boy? Is Cagot better? Cagot.. cagot..
Posted by lady of doom (Member # 19427) on :
LOL at exceptions, Amish Nordic beauty yea right...
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
IronLion, I don't care what you call me. Anyone so ignorant and uncivil as to call people by a label not of their choosing isn't worth my time.
Posted by rahotep101 (Member # 18764) on :
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: [/QB]
Pig sty in Britain:
Human habitation in tribal Africa:
Posted by casshiterides (Member # 20029) on :
quote:
I find this image offensive. She looks like a slutty Lindsay Lohan ready to swallow a large black penis, her hair looks synthetic. Pure beauties please. Or at least pure looking.
Posted by casshiterides (Member # 20029) on :
Now this is virginal beautyNative British woman. We don't need immigration. We don't need immigrants trying to change things.
Posted by Smiley Coast (Member # 19957) on :
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Lets see them without makeup. ===========
A red haired Amish girl with no makeup (Amish by faith are forbidden to use cosmetics):
This is natural nordic/white beauty.
Yeeea and that stuff on her lip's not lipstick? LOL. She's obviously wearing makeup.
Posted by Firewall (Member # 20331) on :
Oh,i never seen this thread before.
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
natural albino beauty ????? ... i guess....
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Smiley Coast:
quote:Originally posted by cassiterides: Lets see them without makeup. ===========
A red haired Amish girl with no makeup (Amish by faith are forbidden to use cosmetics):
This is natural nordic/white beauty.
Yeeea and that stuff on her lip's not lipstick? LOL. She's obviously wearing makeup.
Poor Cass (casshiterides) he is one of the most delusional Albinos out there:
Of course that is a FAKE photograph of an Amish girl.
THESE ARE REAL AMISH GIRLS!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Doxie - not to say that there is anything wrong with those girls, seem to be nice girls.
Just shedding light on the delusion of Albinos: many really confuse those colored, airbrushed, pictures of Albino girls, for REAL Albino girls.
As a matter of fact, many "SCIENTIFIC" works attribute Albino expansion, NOT TO THEIR KILLING OF NATIVE PEOPLE:
BUT TO THE BULLSH1T THAT ALBINOS ARE "PRETTIER" AND THUS SPREAD BY SEXUAL SELECTION! .
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Scientists said yesterday that they have discovered a tiny genetic mutation that largely explains the first appearance of white skin in humans tens of thousands of years ago, a finding that helps solve one of biology's most enduring mysteries and illuminates one of humanity's greatest sources of strife.
The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned. That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's races.
Leaders of the study, at Penn State University, warned against interpreting the finding as a discovery of "the race gene." Race is a vaguely defined biological, social and political concept, they noted, and skin color is only part of what race is -- and is not.
In fact, several scientists said, the new work shows just how small a biological difference is reflected by skin color. The newly found mutation involves a change of just one letter of DNA code out of the 3.1 billion letters in the human genome -- the complete instructions for making a human being.
"It's a major finding in a very sensitive area," said Stephen Oppenheimer, an expert in anthropological genetics at Oxford University, who was not involved in the work. "Almost all the differences used to differentiate populations from around the world really are skin deep."
The work raises a raft of new questions -- not least of which is why white skin caught on so thoroughly in northern climes once it arose. Some scientists suggest that lighter skin offered a strong survival advantage for people who migrated out of Africa by boosting their levels of bone-strengthening vitamin D; others have posited that its novelty and showiness simply made it more attractive to those seeking mates.
The work also reveals for the first time that Asians owe their relatively light skin to different mutations. That means that light skin arose independently at least twice in human evolution, in each case affecting populations with the facial and other traits that today are commonly regarded as the hallmarks of Caucasian and Asian races.
Several sociologists and others said they feared that such revelations might wrongly overshadow the prevailing finding of genetics over the past 10 years: that the number of DNA differences between races is tiny compared with the range of genetic diversity found within any single racial group.
Even study leader Keith Cheng said he was at first uncomfortable talking about the new work, fearing that the finding of such a clear genetic difference between people of African and European ancestries might reawaken discredited assertions of other purported inborn differences between races -- the most long-standing and inflammatory of those being intelligence.
"I think human beings are extremely insecure and look to visual cues of sameness to feel better, and people will do bad things to people who look different," Cheng said.
The discovery, described in today's issue of the journal Science, was an unexpected outgrowth of studies Cheng and his colleagues were conducting on inch-long zebra fish, which are popular research tools for geneticists and developmental biologists. Having identified a gene that, when mutated, interferes with its ability to make its characteristic black stripes, the team scanned human DNA databases to see if a similar gene resides in people.
To their surprise, they found virtually identical pigment-building genes in humans, chickens, dogs, cows and many others species, an indication of its biological value.
They got a bigger surprise when they looked in a new database comparing the genomes of four of the world's major racial groups. That showed that whites with northern and western European ancestry have a mutated version of the gene.
Skin color is a reflection of the amount and distribution of the pigment melanin, which in humans protects against damaging ultraviolet rays but in other species is also used for camouflage or other purposes. The mutation that deprives zebra fish of their stripes blocks the creation of a protein whose job is to move charged atoms across cell membranes, an obscure process that is crucial to the accumulation of melanin inside cells.
Humans of European descent, Cheng's team found, bear a slightly different mutation that hobbles the same protein with similar effect. The defect does not affect melanin deposition in other parts of the body, including the hair and eyes, whose tints are under the control of other genes.
A few genes have previously been associated with human pigment disorders -- most notably those that, when mutated, lead to albinism, an extreme form of pigment loss. But the newly found glitch is the first found to play a role in the formation of "normal" white skin. The Penn State team calculates that the gene, known as slc24a5, is responsible for about one-third of the pigment loss that made black skin white. A few other as-yet-unidentified mutated genes apparently account for the rest.
Although precise dating is impossible, several scientists speculated on the basis of its spread and variation that the mutation arose between 20,000 and 50,000 years ago. That would be consistent with research showing that a wave of ancestral humans migrated northward and eastward out of Africa about 50,000 years ago.
Unlike most mutations, this one quickly overwhelmed its ancestral version, at least in Europe, suggesting it had a real benefit. Many scientists suspect that benefit has to do with vitamin D, made in the body with the help of sunlight and critical to proper bone development.
Sun intensity is great enough in equatorial regions that the vitamin can still be made in dark-skinned people despite the ultraviolet shielding effects of melanin. In the north, where sunlight is less intense and cold weather demands that more clothing be worn, melanin's ultraviolet shielding became a liability, the thinking goes.
Today that solar requirement is largely irrelevant because many foods are supplemented with vitamin D.
Some scientists said they suspect that white skin's rapid rise to genetic dominance may also be the product of "sexual selection," a phenomenon of evolutionary biology in which almost any new and showy trait in a healthy individual can become highly prized by those seeking mates, perhaps because it provides evidence of genetic innovativeness.
(There it is, as told by Albinos, Albinism is BETTER and Sexier!)
Cheng and co-worker Victor A. Canfield said their discovery could have practical spinoffs. A gene so crucial to the buildup of melanin in the skin might be a good target for new drugs against melanoma, for example, a cancer of melanin cells in which slc24a5 works overtime.
But they and others agreed that, for better or worse, the finding's most immediate impact may be an escalating debate about the meaning of race.
Recent revelations that all people are more than 99.9 percent genetically identical has proved that race has almost no biological validity. Yet geneticists' claims that race is a phony construct have not rung true to many nonscientists -- and understandably so, said Vivian Ota Wang of the National Human Genome Research Institute in Bethesda.
"You may tell people that race isn't real and doesn't matter, but they can't catch a cab," Ota Wang said. "So unless we take that into account it makes us sound crazy."
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
Albinos are crazy .....
How much money do they spend globally trying to convince themselves and others that they attractive ??
this weekend I saw the most ridiculous movie .... JUPITER ASCENDING......
it was nonsensical albino nonsense about albinos being albinos and being special somehow and worthy of being royalty due to their albinoness....
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Do you mean that they actually admit that they are Albinos in the movie?
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
Mike, look how delusional Albinos are ..
"A gene so crucial to the buildup of melanin in the skin might be a good target for new drugs against melanoma"
if i read this correctly, they are saying that melanin protects against melanoma....duh ?!
"It is particularly common among Caucasians, especially northern Europeans and northwestern Europeans, living in sunny climates" (Wiki)
So, these degenerates want to claim that their sickness expanded not the are sociopaths, but because they are "better", but also that the cure for the melanoma which afflicts them is melanin ??
then how can they be better ? .... they suffer from a serious genetic defect the cure of which is to receive melanin from Blacks.
Celtic Warrioress what do you have to say about your people and their madness ??
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
"Do you mean that they actually admit that they are Albinos in the movie?"
explicitly Verbal.. almost...and that because of it they age prematurely and need additional chemicals common in most humans for regeneration and protection against the aging.
Visually and thru symbolism... yes.
(i don't mean to ruin it for those who have not seen it)
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^I read the Wiki on it, sounds really, really stupid.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^ Mike conversing with himslef
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
First of all Kdolo you stupid White people hating, Black racist prick we Whites do NOT have a genetic defect, we do NOT have albinism, we are NOT Albinos. We don't need a dang thing from Blacks except for you to be as far away from us as possible.
Mike yeah right mr. I can't make a post without using racist epithets. We all know you think those girls are ugly, inferior non-humans who should be exterminated. Just like we all know you use albino as a racist epithet towards Whites meant to degrade, demean, denigrate & dehumanize Whites. Just like we all know you do what you do because you do not want White children knowing who they are, where they come from, who their ancestors were, ect. You don't want them to have a future. You want to rob them of their future & their history & their homeland. You want them to think they are inferior non-humans with no right to exist. Why Mike, why Kdolo?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
I love White/Albino people.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Bull crap Mike, try telling another lie Whitey hating boy. If you love Whites so much Mike then answer these questions.
Why do you not want White children knowing who they are, where they come from, who their ancestors were, ect. Why don't you want them to have a future. Why do you want to rob them of their future & their history & their homeland. Why do you want them to think they are inferior non-humans with no right to exist.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^But Doxie, I never said those things.
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
1.Whites are a type of "Asiatic" Albino
2.They come from Asia
3.Their ancestors where nomadic Asiatic albinos
4.They - uncivilized- then moved into the civilized world - a world already built by Blacks through a series a major population movements -
5. They are Not native to Europe
6. Through intermixture, genocide, and re-writing of history they have placed themselves where they are in history.
7. They are not inferior in a moral sense, bu possible in a biological sense ....albinism is a genetic defect..
8. They have every right to exist ..... but not at the expense of normal humans....and this appears to be the source of the tension created by Albinos.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Mike yes you have you liar now answer the questions please.
Kdolo, no Whites are NOT Asiatic & NO we are NOT Albinos. NO We did NOT come from Asia. NO our ancestors were NOT Nomadic Asiatic Albinos. NO You did NOT build any of the civilizations in Europe. YES we are native to Europe. NO it is YOU who is trying to re-write history to write Blacks in where they weren't & to erase Whites. NO We do NOT have a genetic defect we are NOT Albinos. Again we are NOT Albinos. Answer the dang questions and show me the proof.
Posted by Habsburg (Member # 21824) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike yes you have you liar now answer the questions please.
Kdolo, no Whites are NOT Asiatic & NO we are NOT Albinos. NO We did NOT come from Asia. NO our ancestors were NOT Nomadic Asiatic Albinos. NO You did NOT build any of the civilizations in Europe. YES we are native to Europe. NO it is YOU who is trying to re-write history to write Blacks in where they weren't & to erase Whites. NO We do NOT have a genetic defect we are NOT Albinos. Again we are NOT Albinos. Answer the dang questions and show me the proof.
Doxie PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! Is this guy Black, White, or Asiatic?
Karl X Gustav of Sweden WITTELSBACH VON DER PFALZ-SZWEIBRUCKEN
This is true Nordic handsomeness!!
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: Albinos are crazy .....
How much money do they spend globally trying to convince themselves and others that they attractive ??
this weekend I saw the most ridiculous movie .... JUPITER ASCENDING......
it was nonsensical albino nonsense about albinos being albinos and being special somehow and worthy of being royalty due to their albinoness....
Pale white/pink skin, blonde/red hair and light eye pigmentation are very rare in terms of the world's population who are mostly a brown skin pigmentation (to varying degrees), black hair and dark brown/black eyed. For example Red hair is found in under 1% of living people.
The rarity of these features explains their aesthetic appeal in global cultures.
You really think its "white supremacsy" that Japanese cartoonists are obsessed with blonde/red hair, and white skinned anime/manga figures? lol.
And you posters (who are supposedly black males) yourselves are totally obsessed with these traits. Mike111 has over 16,000 posts talking, obsessing and drooling over white skin and blonde hair etc.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
He,he,he,he: DEAD has got to be our old friend the autistic Cass.
Posted by Habsburg (Member # 21824) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dead:
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: Albinos are crazy .....
How much money do they spend globally trying to convince themselves and others that they attractive ??
this weekend I saw the most ridiculous movie .... JUPITER ASCENDING......
it was nonsensical albino nonsense about albinos being albinos and being special somehow and worthy of being royalty due to their albinoness....
Pale white/pink skin, blonde/red hair and light eye pigmentation are very rare in terms of the world's population who are mostly a brown skin pigmentation (to varying degrees), black hair and dark brown/black eyed. For example Red hair is found in under 1% of living people.
The rarity of these features explains their aesthetic appeal in global cultures.
You really think its "white supremacsy" that Japanese cartoonists are obsessed with blonde/red hair, and white skinned anime/manga figures? lol.
And you posters (who are supposedly black males) yourselves are totally obsessed with these traits. Mike111 has over 16,000 posts talking, obsessing and drooling over white skin and blonde hair etc.
Dead sorry to disappoint you but white skin is not attractive. The assumed belief for attraction is mainly because the media always generates a buzz around white skin and the uncommon features like blonde/red hair and blue eyes.
Whenever white skin is displayed it is rarely juxtaposed with black or brown skin, and when races are placed together it is usually the faces that are compared, not the skin types. Any professional model knows that white skin is not that attractive. Why do think tanning is so popular, and why do body builders bronze themselves before competing?
If you think white skin is attractive compare the complexion in these two videos.
Even on this low level you can see how white skin pales in comparison
I leave the honor of producing still pictures for a revealing side by side comparison to Mike. It will go down as Mr Ghetto's one and only useful contribution to the race debate and humanity in general.
On a pragmatic, functional level the simple truth is white skin is maladapted to the earth's surface environment and it is basically infatuation among the darker complexioned races that makes it attractive to some of them. Note that I am talking about white skin itself, some of the traits of the integumen, not whites as people.
Don't flatter your ghastly complexion, Mr Dead. Just consider the term your own folk have conceived to describe it in some of its states.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg:
I leave the honor of producing still pictures for a revealing side by side comparison to Mike. It will go down as Mr Ghetto's one and only useful contribution to the race debate and humanity in general.
Mr Ghetto - Moi????
I am wounded!
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Habsburg, he is White you moron. I ask you the same thing I asked Mike (who has yet to answer them) & Kdolo Whitey hater. Why do you want to harm White children? Why don't you want White children to have a future? Why do you want White children to think they are inferior non-humans? Why do you not want White children to know who they are, where they came from, who their ancestors were? Why do you want to rob White children of their history, their heritage, their homeland? Why do you want to rob White children of their racial pride? Why do you not want White children to have any knowledge of self?
Mike still waiting for those answers Whitey hater boy.
Posted by Habsburg (Member # 21824) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg:
I leave the honor of producing still pictures for a revealing side by side comparison to Mike. It will go down as Mr Ghetto's one and only useful contribution to the race debate and humanity in general.
Mr Ghetto - Moi????
I am wounded!
Mr Ghetto is the artiste performing the music in those videos. You should really compare the videos and see how led some white girls into making your case.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Habsburg, he is White you moron. I ask you the same thing I asked Mike (who has yet to answer them) & Kdolo Whitey hater. Why do you want to harm White children? Why don't you want White children to have a future? Why do you want White children to think they are inferior non-humans? Why do you not want White children to know who they are, where they came from, who their ancestors were? Why do you want to rob White children of their history, their heritage, their homeland? Why do you want to rob White children of their racial pride? Why do you not want White children to have any knowledge of self?
Mike still waiting for those answers Whitey hater boy.
Doxie dear, I love our Albinos, after all, you are our children - sans pigmentation.
And of course like any of our children, we want you to have a home (millions of acres just waiting for you in Central Asia), we want you to know your history: since racial pride and sense of humanity is a function of history and heritage, I make no guarantees there.
But surely you see how hard I work to educate Albino children as to their history and who they are, and also, where they come from.
But do I get any thanks - NO!!!!
Posted by Habsburg (Member # 21824) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Habsburg, he is White you moron. I ask you the same thing I asked Mike (who has yet to answer them) & Kdolo Whitey hater. Why do you want to harm White children? Why don't you want White children to have a future? Why do you want White children to think they are inferior non-humans? Why do you not want White children to know who they are, where they came from, who their ancestors were? Why do you want to rob White children of their history, their heritage, their homeland? Why do you want to rob White children of their racial pride? Why do you not want White children to have any knowledge of self?
Mike still waiting for those answers Whitey hater boy.
How about this woman?
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
All the paintings are fakes, idealized representations of Blacks as Whites .....
The same is done today when certain Black celebrities are placed on a magazine cover and through the use of lighting and makeup, they are "whitened up"........
The rarity of these features explains their aesthetic appeal in global cultures."
Is this why Albinos are tortured, killed, and ridiculed in many cultures ???
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike yes you have you liar now answer the questions please.
Kdolo, no Whites are NOT Asiatic & NO we are NOT Albinos. NO We did NOT come from Asia. NO our ancestors were NOT Nomadic Asiatic Albinos. NO You did NOT build any of the civilizations in Europe. YES we are native to Europe. NO it is YOU who is trying to re-write history to write Blacks in where they weren't & to erase Whites. NO We do NOT have a genetic defect we are NOT Albinos. Again we are NOT Albinos. Answer the dang questions and show me the proof.
quote: EFFECT OF CHARACTERISTICS ON MIGRATION
Migration, in fact, is particularly characteristic of this period. The new cultures from the east migrated to Europe because of invasions of Steppe tribes from Asia, and changes in climate pompted Germanic culture to leave the Baltic area. The Celts were on the move because they were chased away by Germanic and Steppe tribes.
[...]
600 B.C.: *600 B.C.: Many Celtic tribes came to Central and Western Europe: the Boyards, the Noricae, the Vindelici and, in the mountains between Hungary and Switzerland, the Helvetians. Two groups of Celts existed in Gaul: those between Garonne and the Pyrenees, and those between Garonne and the Seine: the Arverni, the Haeduers, the Veneti, the Parisii and the Serones. The Allobroges settled in the area around the Rh�ne and the Maritime Alps. The last to arrive were the Belgae between the Seine and the Rhine, the Bellovaci around Beauvais, and the Remi between Marne and Meuse. Some Belgae settled on the British Islands, near London. The Brigantes lived in the Pennine Chains in England, while the Caledones occupied an area to the north. The Boyards, the Insubrians and the Serones influenced Italy while in western-Spain Celts mingled with Iberians to give rise to Celtiberian tribes.
[...]
IN SHORT
This period is characterised by migration: Steppe-tribes moved from Asia into Europe while Germans moved from the Baltic to the South, in turn prompting the migration of Celts all over Europe. Cultures developed essentially in isolation during this period, forcefully defending their territory.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: EFFECT OF CHARACTERISTICS ON MIGRATION
Migration, in fact, is particularly characteristic of this period. The new cultures from the east migrated to Europe because of invasions of Steppe tribes from Asia, and changes in climate pompted Germanic culture to leave the Baltic area. The Celts were on the move because they were chased away by Germanic and Steppe tribes.
[...]
600 B.C.: *600 B.C.: Many Celtic tribes came to Central and Western Europe: the Boyards, the Noricae, the Vindelici and, in the mountains between Hungary and Switzerland, the Helvetians. Two groups of Celts existed in Gaul: those between Garonne and the Pyrenees, and those between Garonne and the Seine: the Arverni, the Haeduers, the Veneti, the Parisii and the Serones. The Allobroges settled in the area around the Rh�ne and the Maritime Alps. The last to arrive were the Belgae between the Seine and the Rhine, the Bellovaci around Beauvais, and the Remi between Marne and Meuse. Some Belgae settled on the British Islands, near London. The Brigantes lived in the Pennine Chains in England, while the Caledones occupied an area to the north. The Boyards, the Insubrians and the Serones influenced Italy while in western-Spain Celts mingled with Iberians to give rise to Celtiberian tribes.
[...]
IN SHORT
This period is characterised by migration: Steppe-tribes moved from Asia into Europe while Germans moved from the Baltic to the South, in turn prompting the migration of Celts all over Europe. Cultures developed essentially in isolation during this period, forcefully defending their territory.
Did anyone notice that they never said where the western Germanics came from?
No wonder Doxie is such a neurotic mess, they have lied to her for all of her life!
(Withholding the truth is the same as lying).
He,he,he: those inscrutable Albinos.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Ohh look its Troll Patrol one of the other White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist goons. Nice to see you back Whitey hater. Maybe you can answer my questions??
Mike, sorry Central Asia is NOT nor has it ever been ours so we don't want that landlocked, waterless barren wasteland where we would have no water to drink, bathe in, cook with, etc, or raise crops or animals for food for ourselves, & where we couldn't get anything in or out for trade. No Mike you work hard to lie to White children about their history, stealing their history only leaving them with what you want them to have, you work hard at lying to them about who they are and where they come from.
Kdolo come off it you Whitey hating goon, none of those paintings were of Black people.
Habsburg, she is also White, you stupid Black racist goon.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: I love White/Albino people.
So how do feel about brown people?
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
The Welsh are the oldest population in the UK and as such closest to the original inhabitants.....
One thing I have always noticed is that the Welsh have always appeared "ethnic"......there were always longstanding rumors that they descended from Spanish settlers, or are part moorish, etc.. it turns out that they are most closely related to the original inhabitants and all others are descendants of subsequent invaders.
This all confirms Mike's theories. The original inhabitants were Black .... this accounts for the dark skin and swarthy looks of the Welsh. Some like Tom Jones even have afros. Welsh actors such as Jonathan Rhys Davies often play ethnically ambiguous roles due to his swarthy look....Anthony hopkins whi is Welsh has also played a mulatto man in film.
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike, sorry Central Asia is NOT nor has it ever been ours so we don't want that landlocked, waterless barren wasteland where we would have no water to drink, bathe in, cook with, etc, or raise crops or animals for food for ourselves, & where we couldn't get anything in or out for trade. No Mike you work hard to lie to White children about their history, stealing their history only leaving them with what you want them to have, you work hard at lying to them about who they are and where they come from.
Doxie dear - UNESCO (The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) has created a history of your people (Central Asian Albinos) called "History of Civilizations of Central Asia".
THESE ARE THE VOLUMES:
Volume I: The Dawn of Civilization: Earliest Times to 700 B.C. Volume II: The Development of Sedentary and Nomadic Civilizations: 700 B.C. to A.D. 250 Volume III: The Crossroads of Civilization: A.D. 250 to 750 Volume IV: The Age of Achievement, A.D. 750 to the End of the Fifteenth Century Part 1: The Historical, Social and Economic Setting Part 2: The Achievements Volume V: Development in contrast: from the sixteenth to the mid-nineteenth century Volume VI: forthcoming
Sorry Mike NOT White people's history as we are NOT Central Asians nor are we albinos. Therefore those books are no good for any White person & I would not waste my money on them nor waste my time reading them nor would I use them to teach White children lies.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Doxie dear - did you see my schooling of DEAD on religion in the "Maybe, but they're learning!" thread? He did not reply because he was embarrassed, but he needn't be, I understand.
You see, I am a Black man, and I wonder when are you Albinos going to realize that Black men are the people who have taught you the only truths that you know: Because your brethren Albinos have only lied to you, as with those silly lying histories that they taught you.
You must learn to trust us, after all, we are your ancient (pre-mutation) fathers.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by kdolo:
This all confirms Mike's theories. The original inhabitants were Black .... this accounts for the dark skin and swarthy looks of the Welsh. Some like Tom Jones even have afros. Welsh actors such as Jonathan Rhys Davies often play ethnically ambiguous roles due to his swarthy look....Anthony hopkins whi is Welsh has also played a mulatto man in film.
Tom Jones with afro, 1965
. Tom Jones
Jonathan Rhys Davies
Anthony Hopkins
^^^ mulattos according to Mike
This all confirms Mike's theories
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
Lioness,
Dont forget Catherine Zeta Jones.....
people assumed she was a Latin mulatto/mestizo ....
she is Welsh...feel free to post her pic.
The swarthy Welsh are the descended from the oldest population of the English isle ....
obviously lightened over time by the genetic infusion of the subsequent albino invaders, they haven't been bleached out completely...
They also maintain their own language....apparently then they were able to survive in some fashion the genocides of the Blacks...it is theorized that due to the location of Wales, surrounded by mountains, that it was able to avoid total annhialation over time....
The modern Welsh are the descendants of the original Celtic inhabitants (diluted obviously) but retain enough of their Black genes to be obviously different from those paler albino around them.
"The geography of Wales made it more likely that ancient DNA would be retained.
Because of its westerly position and mountainous nature, Anglo-Saxons who moved into central and eastern England after the Romans left did not come that far west, and neither did the Vikings who arrived in around 900AD."
Also: "people from south and north Wales genetically have "fairly large similarities with the ancestry of people from Ireland on the one hand and France on the other, which we think is most likely to be a combination of remnants of very ancient populations who moved across into Britain after the last Ice Age.
"And potentially also, people travelling up the Atlantic coast of France and Spain and settling in Wales many thousands of years ago".,
In typical Albino fashion they are obfuscating who these people really were and what they really looked like .....but for those of us here ....you get the point.
These original Celtic people were Black. (traveling up the coast from Spain...to be the original settlers of Spain, France, and Ireland)
I suspect that the so-called "Black Irish" are also descendants of these people ... the common explanation for the existence of the "black Irish" is that they are descendants of moors or Spanish soldiers from the failed Armada.... that never made any sense ....
here is an article with typical Albino nonsense explanations:
"Another theory of the origin of the term "Black Irish" is that these people were descendants of Spanish traders who settled in Ireland and even descendants of the few Spanish sailors who were washed up on the west coast of Ireland after the disaster of the Spanish Armada of 1588.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by kdolo:
Lioness,
Dont forget Catherine Zeta Jones.....
people assumed she was a Latin mulatto/mestizo ....
she is Welsh...feel free to post her pic.
quote:Originally posted by kdolo:
obviously lightened over time by the genetic infusion of the subsequent albino invaders, they haven't been bleached out completely...
Catherine Zeta Jones without the suntan according to Mike is an Albino
Do you see any difference? Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
Lioness,
now you made me laugh !! i give u an a plus for persistence.
anyways, the swarthy and "ethnic" aspect of the Welsh is due to the fact that they somehow avoided total annihilation .... maintaining some type of genetic continuity and cultural as well.
Modern Welsh get their swarthy aspect from the original Celt inhabitants who were black.
For whats is worth, they are also known as the best looking people amongst the English/British......that is probably due to their residual melanin they still carry.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
No Kdolo you Black racist, White people hating, Black supremacist moron, the Celts were NOT Black. Go find your own dang history IN AFRICA & stop trying to rob Whites of what is rightfully ours.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
After the Romans left, Britain was invaded by Anglo-Saxon's, a general term referring to the Germanic peoples who came to Britain during the 5th and 6th centuries, including Angles, Saxons, Frisii and Jutes.
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: The Welsh:
"The geography of Wales made it more likely that ancient DNA would be retained.
Because of its westerly position and mountainous nature, Anglo-Saxons who moved into central and eastern England after the Romans left did not come that far west, and neither did the Vikings who arrived in around 900AD.",,,,,
These original Celtic people were Black.
when you say black do you mean they were some shade of brown in color and had straight hair? Please be specific
Also how do you know that these people were not subjugated by the Romans earlier?
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
"Stephen Oppenheimer of Oxford University, who says some 81% of the Welsh have DNA evidence which shows a common link to ancestors who came to Britain from northern Spain many thousands of years ago.
In fact, many Britons share a gene pool that can be traced back to Basque. Around three-quarters of the Welsh, Scots and English can be traced to those who arrived from the Basque country between 7,500 and 15,000 years ago."
If i am not mistaken between 7500 and 15000 years ago, whites did not exist at all or just barely started to exist.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: [QB] "Stephen Oppenheimer of Oxford University, who says some 81% of the Welsh have DNA evidence which shows a common link to ancestors who came to Britain from northern Spain many thousands of years ago.
In fact, many Britons share a gene pool that can be traced back to Basque. Around three-quarters of the Welsh, Scots and English can be traced to those who arrived from the Basque country between 7,500 and 15,000 years ago."
they were some shade of brown in color and had straight hair? Please be specific
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: "Stephen Oppenheimer of Oxford University, who says some 81% of the Welsh have DNA evidence which shows a common link to ancestors who came to Britain from northern Spain many thousands of years ago.
In fact, many Britons share a gene pool that can be traced back to Basque. Around three-quarters of the Welsh, Scots and English can be traced to those who arrived from the Basque country between 7,500 and 15,000 years ago."
If i am not mistaken between 7500 and 15000 years ago, whites did not exist at all or just barely started to exist.
I notice that you use the term Basque country instead of Basque people, but it is still incorrect to use the term Basque at all. Use of the term only raises the specter of the Albino nonsense of Basque Albinos being different from any other Albino - which of course they are not, just more inbred due to incest.
Blacks entered Europe from across Gibraltar and from across the Bosphorus and from the East, to try to isolate current era (c.0000 ~ 1700 A.D.) Black Britons is a mistake, since we already know that Eastern Blacks were driven by the Huns and later by the Albinos into the West.
That being said, the Roman historian said this: Quote from Tacitus: Agricola Book 1 [10]
The dark complexion of the Silures, their usually curly hair, and the fact that Spain is the opposite shore to them, are an evidence that Iberians of a former date crossed over and occupied these parts. Those who are nearest to the Gauls are also like them, either from the permanent influence of original descent, or, because in countries which run out so far to meet each other, climate has produced similar physical qualities.
Vercingetorix was the last King of the unified Celts/Gauls of France (Normandy). Were they indigenous or were they chased in from the East?
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Mike come off it you Black supremacist, White people hating moron. Vercingetorix nor any of the other Celts were Black. There is no such thing as a Black Briton. Hell no I wouldn't trust you or any of your ilk any further than I could throw you. You lie too much & try to harm White children in your hatred for them. Trying to rob them of their future, trying to prevent them from knowing who they are (their identity), where they come from (their homeland), who their ancestors were (their history & heritage). Trying to rob them of their racial pride. Trying to rob them of their knowledge of self. Trying to make them think they are inferior non-humans. Trying to make them think they have no right to exist.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike come off it you Black supremacist, White people hating moron. Vercingetorix nor any of the other Celts were Black. There is no such thing as a Black Briton.
Just checkin to see if you're there Doxie.
BTW - I'll bet you have an uncle who looks just like him (Vercingetorix), why not post a picture?
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Ohh look its Troll Patrol one of the other White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist goons. Nice to see you back Whitey hater. Maybe you can answer my questions??
Mike, sorry Central Asia is NOT nor has it ever been ours so we don't want that landlocked, waterless barren wasteland where we would have no water to drink, bathe in, cook with, etc, or raise crops or animals for food for ourselves, & where we couldn't get anything in or out for trade. No Mike you work hard to lie to White children about their history, stealing their history only leaving them with what you want them to have, you work hard at lying to them about who they are and where they come from.
Kdolo come off it you Whitey hating goon, none of those paintings were of Black people.
Habsburg, she is also White, you stupid Black racist goon.
Your dumbass has really nothing to contribute. All you do is iterate and display your own stupidity. Thou western institutions are saying whites came eventually came from Asia. You keep shaking your low I.Q.-head calling people racists because they show you that whites eventually came from Asia. And you were never able to explain history accurately other then denying history.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
That Troll Patrol is such a meanie, don't worry Doxie, we love our Albinos in spite of their faults.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Mike, Nope can't say any of my uncles look like him no. Even if one of them did, do you think I'm dumb enough to put up pics of my family on here without their consent I don't think so.
Troll Patrol, You are the one who has nothing to contribute, all you do is repost Black supremacist nonsense. Who gives a flying flip what a few anti-White institutions are saying. Sorry you Black racist pos but my IQ is above normal sorry to burst your bubble. Where have you shown it. Where's the proof. Where's the depictions, where's the skeletons, the mummies, where's the artifacts proving they were there and were White?? No Troll Patrol you are only mad because I challenge your Black supremacist nonsense & defend my people's history preventing you from stealing it.
Posted by Fourty2Tribes (Member # 21799) on :
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: [QB] Lioness,
Dont forget Catherine Zeta Jones.....
people assumed she was a Latin mulatto/mestizo ....
Welsh are negroid
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: Your dumbass has really nothing to contribute. All you do is iterate and display your own stupidity. Thou western institutions are saying whites came eventually came from Asia. You keep shaking your low I.Q.-head calling people racists because they show you that whites eventually came from Asia. And you were never able to explain history accurately other then denying history.
In your own words what region were Europe's first hunter gatherer inhabitants in before they were in Europe?
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: Your dumbass has really nothing to contribute. All you do is iterate and display your own stupidity. Thou western institutions are saying whites came eventually came from Asia. You keep shaking your low I.Q.-head calling people racists because they show you that whites eventually came from Asia. And you were never able to explain history accurately other then denying history.
In your own words what region were Europe's first hunter gatherer inhabitants in before they were in Europe?
As I have posted many times before. Via Siberia into Nortern Europe and then via the Crescent (Caucasus) into East Europe! Next month you'll probably ask me the same all over.
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mike, Nope can't say any of my uncles look like him no. Even if one of them did, do you think I'm dumb enough to put up pics of my family on here without their consent I don't think so.
Troll Patrol, You are the one who has nothing to contribute, all you do is repost Black supremacist nonsense. Who gives a flying flip what a few anti-White institutions are saying. Sorry you Black racist pos but my IQ is above normal sorry to burst your bubble. Where have you shown it. Where's the proof. Where's the depictions, where's the skeletons, the mummies, where's the artifacts proving they were there and were White?? No Troll Patrol you are only mad because I challenge your Black supremacist nonsense & defend my people's history preventing you from stealing it.
Where have you challenged anything ever?
Those few times you've made statements you were so drastically off, it was so laughable.
And also here you aren't able to hold up your arguemt with scientific evaluation other than the same stupid rant. As if you hold true to what racism is. You are a stupid Appalachian cracker. Who is laught at within academic circles. Anti-white institutions.
Keep displaying your stupidety....
Even back then:
Eur J Hum Genet. 1993;1(1):3-18. Human genomic diversity in Europe: a summary of recent research and prospects for the future. Cavalli-Sforza LL1, Piazza A.
Author information
Abstract
Gene frequencies in Europe are intermediate with respect to those of other continents. A phylogenetic tree reconstructed from 95 gene frequencies tested on 26 European samples shows some deviant populations (Lapps, Sardinians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, Basques, Icelanders and Finns) and other weakly structured populations. This behavior may have a simple interpretation: Europeans have not evolved according to a tree of descent probably because of the major role played by migrations in prehistorical and historical times. The leading component of the European genetic landscape is a gradient that originates in the Middle East and is directed to the northwest. According to the hypothesis by Ammerman and Cavalli-Sforza this gradient was generated by a migration of Neolithic farmers from Anatolia followed by continuous, partial admixture of the expanding farmers with local hunter-gatherers. Other leading components of the gene frequencies in Europe show correlations with possible movements of Uralic-speaking people and pastoral nomads from a region north of the Caucasus and Black Sea, which according to Gimbutas is the area of origin of Indo-European speakers. This analysis is based on classical pre-DNA genetic markers. The prospect of future research using DNA polymorphisms is discussed in the context of the Human Genome Project.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: In your own words what region were Europe's first hunter gatherer inhabitants in before they were in Europe?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: As I have posted many times before. Via Siberia into Nortern Europe and then via the Crescent (Caucasus) into East Europe! Next month you'll probably ask me the same all over.
Interesting thanks. So not only are the ancestors of modern Europeans Asians the ancestors of the earliest first Europeans were also Asian,
in particular related to Siberians in the extreme North East of Asian, I know thre were some very old remains found in that region, 24 Kya and 45kya (Ust'-Ishim) had some threads on it
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: In your own words what region were Europe's first hunter gatherer inhabitants in before they were in Europe?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: As I have posted many times before. Via Siberia into Nortern Europe and then via the Crescent (Caucasus) into East Europe! Next month you'll probably ask me the same all over.
Interesting thanks. So not only are the ancestors of modern Europeans Asians the ancestors of the earliest first Europeans were also Asian,
in particular related to Siberians in the extreme North East of Asian, I know thre were some very old remains found in that region, 24 Kya and 45kya (Ust'-Ishim) had some threads on it
No the ancestors of the earliest Europeans were Africans, they have been obsorbed by the new incoming populations from Asia. Thus they carry some of their genetic markers. But the oldest new incoming immigrants came in from the Nort of Europe spreading downwards.
quote:Comparisons of genetic data from ancient and modern-day populations revealed significant changes in the mitochondrial makeup of North East Europeans through time. Mesolithic foragers showed high frequencies and diversity of haplogroups U (U2e, U4, U5a), a pattern observed previously in European hunter-gatherers from Iberia to Scandinavia.
[...]
We identified remarkable genetic dissimilarities between prehistoric and modern-day North East Europeans/Saami, which suggests an important role of post-Mesolithic migrations from Western Europe and subsequent population replacement/extinctions. This work demonstrates how ancient DNA can improve our understanding of human population movements across Eurasia.
[...]
This work demonstrates how ancient DNA can improve our understanding of human population movements across Eurasia. It contributes to the description of the spatio-temporal distribution of mitochondrial diversity and will be of significance for future reconstructions of the history of Europeans.
[...]
First, ancestors of the Saami were suggested to have reached Fennoscandia from Western Europe along the Atlantic cast of Norway as part of the expansion of Mesolithic post-Ahrensburgian cultures (Fosna-Hensbacka and Komsa) in the early Holocene (~10,000–11,000 yBP). Alternatively, the Saami were proposed to find their origins in Mesolithic post-Swiderian cultures (Kunda, Veretye, Suomusjärvi), which had moved from Poland into NEE also in the early Holocene [24].
[...]
Further temporal population samples will be required, especially along the proposed alternative western migration route into sub-arctic Europe.
--Clio Der Sarkissian (2013)
Ancient DNA Reveals Prehistoric Gene-Flow from Siberia in the Complex Human Population History of North East Europe
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: That Troll Patrol is such a meanie, don't worry Doxie, we love our Albinos in spite of their faults.
Mike I was wondering if you love brown people as well
(please don't answer this question with another question, let's get this over with so we can move on)
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: In your own words what region were Europe's first hunter gatherer inhabitants in before they were in Europe?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: As I have posted many times before. Via Siberia into Nortern Europe and then via the Crescent (Caucasus) into East Europe! Next month you'll probably ask me the same all over.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Interesting thanks. So not only are the ancestors of modern Europeans Asians the ancestors of the earliest first Europeans were also Asian,
in particular related to Siberians in the extreme North East of Asian, I know thre were some very old remains found in that region, 24 Kya and 45kya (Ust'-Ishim) had some threads on it [/qb]
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
No the ancestors of the earliest Europeans were Africans, they have been absorbed by the new incoming populations from Asia. Thus they carry some of their genetic markers. But the oldest new incoming immigrants came from the North.
So in what region were the earliest Europeans in before they became Europeans? What region were they in before they entered an uninhabited Europe?
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: In your own words what region were Europe's first hunter gatherer inhabitants in before they were in Europe?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: As I have posted many times before. Via Siberia into Nortern Europe and then via the Crescent (Caucasus) into East Europe! Next month you'll probably ask me the same all over.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Interesting thanks. So not only are the ancestors of modern Europeans Asians the ancestors of the earliest first Europeans were also Asian,
in particular related to Siberians in the extreme North East of Asian, I know thre were some very old remains found in that region, 24 Kya and 45kya (Ust'-Ishim) had some threads on it
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
No the ancestors of the earliest Europeans were Africans, they have been absorbed by the new incoming populations from Asia. Thus they carry some of their genetic markers. But the oldest new incoming immigrants came from the North.
So in what region were the earliest Europeans in before they became Europeans? What region were they in before they entered an uninhabited Europe? [/QB]
I have put those places in BOLD letters. SMH
See, I know you're aren't that bright, but this beats all.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: In your own words what region were Europe's first hunter gatherer inhabitants in before they were in Europe?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: As I have posted many times before. Via Siberia into Nortern Europe and then via the Crescent (Caucasus) into East Europe! Next month you'll probably ask me the same all over.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Interesting thanks. So not only are the ancestors of modern Europeans Asians the ancestors of the earliest first Europeans were also Asian,
in particular related to Siberians in the extreme North East of Asian, I know thre were some very old remains found in that region, 24 Kya and 45kya (Ust'-Ishim) had some threads on it [/qb]
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
No the ancestors of the earliest Europeans were Africans, they have been absorbed by the new incoming populations from Asia. Thus they carry some of their genetic markers. But the oldest new incoming immigrants came from the North.
So in what region were the earliest Europeans in before they became Europeans? What region were they in before they entered an uninhabited Europe?
I have put those places in BOLD letters. SMH
Ok so you are saying that the ancestors of the earliest Europeans were Africans in Siberia, right? You didn't make that clear
So at this time did Siberian people who were not African exist?
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Troll Patrol exactly how does that prove White people come from Asia??? The Saami are NOT White & are NOT European even though they want to be accepted as indigenous Europeans, everyone knows they are Asian invaders & used to look just like the people in Siberia & Native Americans. I want the proof that Whites came from Asia. Where are the remains, where are the depictions (rock paintings,figurines,etc), where are the artifacts proving they were there & that they were White people. Still waiting. Last time I asked you that you said that they were so inferior that they left no trace of themselves.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Troll Patrol exactly how does that prove White people come from Asia??? The Saami are NOT White & are NOT European even though they want to be accepted as indigenous Europeans, everyone knows they are Asian invaders & used to look just like the people in Siberia & Native Americans. I want the proof that Whites came from Asia. Where are the remains, where are the depictions (rock paintings,figurines,etc), where are the artifacts proving they were there & that they were White people. Still waiting. Last time I asked you that you said that they were so inferior that they left no trace of themselves.
So you believe that humans beings originated in in separate places independantly ? About how many such locations are there?
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Yes Lioness I believe in the Multiregional theory. Blacks evolved in Africa, Whites evolved in Europe, Asians including Native Americans evolved in Asia.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Yes Lioness I believe in the Multiregional theory. Blacks evolved in Africa, Whites evolved in Europe, Asians including Native Americans evolved in Asia.
Is the reason you believe in it becasue you like it better?
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Nope Lioness its the only one I've found that just makes sense.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Yes Lioness I believe in the Multiregional theory. Blacks evolved in Africa, Whites evolved in Europe, Asians including Native Americans evolved in Asia.
Is the reason you believe in it becasue you like it better?
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Nope Lioness its the only one I've found that just makes sense.
Really Doxie, it is so unbecoming when you lie like that.
Why even the White Supremacist at Stormfront disavow your nonsense.
Now be a good girl, wash your mouth out with soap, and say you're sorry.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Why even the White Supremacist at Stormfront disavow your nonsense.
Mike you're an idiot, most of the people on Stormfront believe in the multi- regional theory as well. LOL, Mike these same people also claim the AEs were White, that Whites were the original people of India, the ME, North Africa, Japan, North America ROTFLMBO.
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Troll Patrol exactly how does that prove White people come from Asia??? The Saami are NOT White & are NOT European even though they want to be accepted as indigenous Europeans, everyone knows they are Asian invaders & used to look just like the people in Siberia & Native Americans. I want the proof that Whites came from Asia. Where are the remains, where are the depictions (rock paintings,figurines,etc), where are the artifacts proving they were there & that they were White people. Still waiting. Last time I asked you that you said that they were so inferior that they left no trace of themselves.
There are no traces of whites in Europe at the Paleolithic nor Holocene, that is what I told you last time.
You came in recently to Europe and replaced older living populations. Then absorbed some of their traces.
quote: Originally the Scandinavians–except for the Finns and the Lapps–must have been one people. Perhaps their ancestors came northward from Asia Minor or the Balkans and founded the great Teutonic family.
quote: Given our results, it remains possible that the PWC represent remnants of a larger northern European Mesolithic hunter-gather complex. However, it appears unlikely that population continuity exists between the PWC and contemporary Scandinavians or Saami. Thus, our findings are in agreement with archaeological theories suggesting Neolithic or post-Neolithic population introgression or replacement in Scandinavia.
--Helena Malmström
Ancient DNA Reveals Lack of Continuity between Neolithic Hunter-Gatherers and Contemporary Scandinavians
quote: More knowledge about the history and geographic spread of Y chromosomes in Europe will resolve uncertainties resulting from the use of modern populations as indicators of ancestral gene pools. In a recent study, for example, Zerjal et al. (1999) proposed an Asian origin for haplogroup-3 chromosomes and demonstrated a cline of decreasing frequency from Asia into Europe, with high frequencies in northeast Europe and very low frequencies in the British Isles and southwest Europe. Using additional phylogenetic information, Zerjal et al. (1999) suggested that this distribution is the result of a population spread from Asia into Europe that did not reach these latter regions.
--Agnar Helgason
Estimating Scandinavian and Gaelic Ancestry in the Male Settlers of Iceland
quote:The Y chromosome thus provides both information about population relationships in Asia and evidence for a substantial paternal genetic contribution of Asians to northern European populations such as the Finns.
--T Zerjal, et al.
Genetic relationships of Asians and Northern Europeans, revealed by Y-chromosomal DNA analysis.
quote: Although the genetic heritage of aboriginal Siberians is mostly of eastern Asian ancestry, a substantial western Eurasian component is observed in the majority of northern Asian populations. Traces of at least two migrations into southern Siberia, one from eastern Europe and the other from western Asia/the Caucasus have been detected previously in mitochondrial gene pools of modern Siberians.ResultsWe report here 166 new complete mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequences that allow us to expand and re-analyze the available data sets of western Eurasian lineages found in northern Asian populations, define the phylogenetic status of Siberian-specific subclades and search for links between mtDNA haplotypes/subclades and events of human migrations. From a survey of 158 western Eurasian mtDNA genomes found in Siberia we estimate that nearly 40% of them most likely have western Asian and another 29% European ancestry. It is striking that 65 of northern Asian mitogenomes, i.e. ~41%, fall into 19 branches and subclades which can be considered as Siberian-specific being found so far only in Siberian populations. From the coalescence analysis it is evident that the sequence divergence of Siberian-specific subclades was relatively small, corresponding to only 0.6-9.5 kya (using the complete mtDNA rate) and 1¿6 kya (coding region rate).
Conclusions
The phylogeographic analysis implies that the western Eurasian founders, giving rise to Siberian specific subclades, may trace their ancestry only to the early and mid-Holocene, though some of genetic lineages may trace their ancestry back to the end of Last Glacial Maximum (LGM). We have not found the modern northern Asians to have western Eurasian genetic components of sufficient antiquity to indicate traces of pre-LGM expansions
--Derenko M et al.
BMC Evol Biol. 2014 Oct 10;14:217. doi: 10.1186/s12862-014-0217-9. Western Eurasian ancestry in modern Siberians based on mitogenomic data.
It’s now up to you to proof otherwise.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Where is the proof Troll Patrol. Where are the skeletons or the mummies in Asia proving these people were there and that they were White, where are the depictions of these people (paintings, figurines, etc) proving they were there in Asia & they were White, where's the artifacts?
Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
Doxie,
I dont understand what the problem is ?
Why are you so upset at the idea of whites originally coming from Asia ??
Please answer the question....
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Where is the proof Troll Patrol. Where are the skeletons or the mummies in Asia proving these people were there and that they were White, where are the depictions of these people (paintings, figurines, etc) proving they were there in Asia & they were White, where's the artifacts?
Ice princess - The Ukok Plateau Siberia - 300 B.C.
Note the high Nose bridge and PALE skin color.
Yuezhi warrior eastern Tarim Basin area - 100 B.C.
Tarim mummies (3,000 - 1,800 B.C.) China
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: Doxie,
I dont understand what the problem is ?
Why are you so upset at the idea of whites originally coming from Asia ??
Please answer the question....
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: In your own words what region were Europe's first hunter gatherer inhabitants in before they were in Europe?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: As I have posted many times before. Via Siberia
Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans 2013
Iosif Lazaridis et al
Abstract
Analysis of ancient DNA can reveal historical events that are difficult to discern through study of present-day individuals. To investigate European population history around the time of the agricultural transition, we sequenced complete genomes from a ~7,500 year old early farmer from the Linearbandkeramik (LBK) culture from Stuttgart in Germany and an ~8,000 year old hunter-gatherer from the Loschbour rock shelter in Luxembourg. We also generated data from seven ~8,000 year old hunter-gatherers from Motala in Sweden. We compared these genomes and published ancient DNA to new data from 2,196 samples from 185 diverse populations to show that at least three ancestral groups contributed to present-day Europeans. The first are Ancient North Eurasians (ANE), who are more closely related to Upper Paleolithic Siberians than to any present-day population. The second are West European Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), related to the Loschbour individual, who contributed to all Europeans but not to Near Easterners. The third are Early European Farmers (EEF), related to the Stuttgart individual, who were mainly of Near Eastern origin but also harbored WHG-related ancestry. We model the deep relationships of these populations and show that about ~44% of the ancestry of EEF derived from a basal Eurasian lineage that split prior to the separation of other non-Africans.
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The first are Ancient North Eurasians (ANE), who are more closely related to Upper Paleolithic Siberians than to any present-day population. The first Europeans were not African. Siberia is far away from Africa. So the ancestors of people form Siberia must have been from China or Central Asia with many thousands of years of in between settlement areas.
And modern Euroepans are derived from three populations
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Where is the proof Troll Patrol. Where are the skeletons or the mummies in Asia proving these people were there and that they were White, where are the depictions of these people (paintings, figurines, etc) proving they were there in Asia & they were White, where's the artifacts?
I have shown with science, telling us that whites/ modern europeans came from Asia (minor).
The rest is up to you to find out.
quote: Map of Indo European (left) migrations from ca. 4000 to 1000 BC according to the Kurgan model. The Anatolian migration (indicated with a dotted arrow) could have taken place either across the Caucasus or across the Balkans. The purple area corresponds to the assumed Urheimat (Samara culture, Sredny Stog culture). The red area corresponds to the area which may have been settled by Indo-European-speaking peoples up to ca. 2500 BC, and the orange area by 1000 BC.
Why are you so upset at the idea of whites originally coming from Asia ??
Please answer the question....
But Troll Patrol you said the first Europeans also came from Asia I dont understand what the problem is
No no, you said the first Europeans came from Asia. I said The first to inhabit Europe were those from Africa. They have been replaced by new incoming populations from Asia.
What is so difficult to understand about this?
It perhaps also explains this 1/3.
quote: ".. it appears that Europeans are about two-thirds Asians and one-third African."
--Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza (2001). Genes, peoples and languages. FARRAR STRAUS AND GIROUX Publishers
read updated last post
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: read updated last post
Do you understand the words replaced and absorption?
The Mediterranean was inhabited first, not the North.
Oldest Dutchman found in road excavations
Friday 24 September 2010
quote:Archaeologists in Flevoland have uncovered what they believe may be the oldest human remains ever found in the Netherlands, news agency ANP reports.
Bones from possibly more than one person have been found in a grave, which may date back to between 5,000 and 7,000 BC, the agency said. Other finds in the Swifterbant area are that age, ANP said.
The oldest human remains found in the Netherlands so far is the skeleton of ‘Trijntje’ found in Hardinxveld-Giessendam and dating to 5,500 BC.
The Swifterbant excavations have uncovered a mid-Stone Age camp, with thousands of flints, arrow-heads and other remains. They are being carried out in the route of a new road between Alkmaar and Zwolle.
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: [qb] Doxie,
I dont understand what the problem is ?
Why are you so upset at the idea of whites originally coming from Asia ??
Please answer the question....
But Troll Patrol you said the first Europeans also came from Asia I dont understand what the problem is
No no, you said the first Europeans came from Asia. I said The first to inhabit Europe were those from Africa. They have been replaced by new incoming populations from Asia.
What is so difficult to understand about this?
On what basis do you have calling them African if they came from Siberia which is the furtherst point in Eurasia away from Africa and are described as Paleolithic Siberians?
On what basis do you have calling them African when there are many stages of settlement before even reaching Siberia in ancient China or Central Asia?
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by kdolo: [qb] Doxie,
I dont understand what the problem is ?
Why are you so upset at the idea of whites originally coming from Asia ??
Please answer the question....
But Troll Patrol you said the first Europeans also came from Asia I dont understand what the problem is
No no, you said the first Europeans came from Asia. I said The first to inhabit Europe were those from Africa. They have been replaced by new incoming populations from Asia.
What is so difficult to understand about this?
On what basis do you have calling them African if they came from Siberia which is the furtherst point in Eurasia away from Africa and are described as Paleolithic Siberians?
On what basis do you have calling them African when there are many stages of settlement before even reaching Siberia in ancient China or Central Asia?
I did not say the frist Europeans came from the Siberia, you do.
I said they came in from Africa into Europe (via the Levant and perhaps Iberia). Which in this paper they refer to as Arabia./ Middle East.
quote:However, three source populations are consistent with the data after excluding the Spanish who have evidence for African admixture24
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The Basal Eurasian split would then have to be even older. A Basal Eurasian lineage in the Near East is plausible given the presence of anatomically modern humans in the Levant29 ~100 thousand years ago and African-related tools likely made by modern humans in Arabia30,31
Alternatively, evidence for gene flow between the Near East and Africa 32, and African morphology in pre-farming Natufians33 from Israel, may also be consistent with the population representing a later movement of humans out of Africa and into the Near East.
--Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans
If you take a route from Siberia to Europe, then of course the African input is least likely to be the case.
In this paper they even "claimed" that LA Brana is Eurasian/ non-African in origin?
quote:We find that: (1) Loschbour (WHG) and Stuttgart (EEF) share more alleles with each other than either does with MA1 (ANE), as might be expected by geography, but MA1 shares more alleles with Loschbour than with Stuttgart, indicating a link between Eurasian hunter-gatherers to the exclusion of European farmers; (2) Eastern non-Africans share more alleles with Eurasian hunter-gatherers (MA1, Loschbour, La Braña, and Motala12) than with Stuttgart; (3) Every eastern non-African population except for Native Americans and Siberians is equally closely related to diverse Eurasian hunter-gatherers, but Native Americans and Siberians share more alleles with MA1 than with European huntergatherers; and (4) Eurasian hunter-gatherers and Stuttgart both share more alleles with Native Americans than with other eastern non-Africans.
No wonder they come up with these weird absurd conclusions.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: I did not say the frist Europeans came from the Siberia, you do.
I said they came in from Africa into Europe (via the Levant and perhaps Iberia). Which in this paper they refer to as Arabia./ Middle East.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
In your own words in what region were Europe's first hunter gatherer inhabitants in before they were in Europe?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: As I have posted many times before. Via Siberia into Nortern Europe and then via the Crescent (Caucasus) into East Europe! Next month you'll probably ask me the same all over.
So you are retracting this last statement?
I'm talking about the ANE not the WHG or EEF
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Sorry Troll Patrol Whitey hating Black supremacist I demand proof, I'm not just gonna take you at your word & no I don't believe any anti-White scientists like the Anti-White self hating old geezer Sforza ( I shall make a trip to spit & pi$$ on his grave when he dies) or that East Indian Anti-White bitch Gimbutas, or any of the the other Anti-Whites you have sited. Where's the proof.
Mike how many times must you be told you Whitey hating Black supremacist goon, that book is NOT about White people's history and isn't worth any White person's time buying or reading or using to try to teach White children lies. Also that second mummy is most definitely NOT White but is Asian, Whites don't have slanty eyes & high prominent cheekbones like Asians do. The last one tested to a mixture of European & Middle Eastern so NOT White either. The Ice Princess well when they did a reconstruction of her face she had obvious Mongoloid influence in her features so not White but no different from any other Siberian person.
Kdolo, because you stupid White people hating Black supremacist goon we didn't come from Asia that is why. We like every other people deserve a land all of our own. White children have the right to a future whether you want them to have one or not. They have a right to know who they are, where they came from, who their ancestors were without being fed your Black supremacist bull crap to try to make them feel inferior. They have a right to exist. They have a right to knowledge of self. They have a right to be proud as White children.
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Sorry Troll Patrol Whitey hating Black supremacist I demand proof, I'm not just gonna take you at your word & no I don't believe any anti-White scientists like the Anti-White self hating old geezer Sforza ( I shall make a trip to spit & pi$$ on his grave when he dies) or that East Indian Anti-White bitch Gimbutas, or any of the the other Anti-Whites you have sited. Where's the proof.
Mike how many times must you be told you Whitey hating Black supremacist goon, that book is NOT about White people's history and isn't worth any White person's time buying or reading or using to try to teach White children lies. Also that second mummy is most definitely NOT White but is Asian, Whites don't have slanty eyes & high prominent cheekbones like Asians do. The last one tested to a mixture of European & Middle Eastern so NOT White either. The Ice Princess well when they did a reconstruction of her face she had obvious Mongoloid influence in her features so not White but no different from any other Siberian person.
Kdolo, because you stupid White people hating Black supremacist goon we didn't come from Asia that is why. We like every other people deserve a land all of our own. White children have the right to a future whether you want them to have one or not. They have a right to know who they are, where they came from, who their ancestors were without being fed your Black supremacist bull crap to try to make them feel inferior. They have a right to exist. They have a right to knowledge of self. They have a right to be proud as White children.
We now have stooped so low, that showing whites coming from Asia minor is "black supremacy".
The reason why you're white is because your ancestor have depigmented. You are depigmented. SMH
Proof is in all those studies being posted. It's fellow whites who wrote them. Perhaps they have selfhate. Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: We now have stooped so low, that showing whites coming from Asia minor is "black supremacy".
The reason why you're white is because your ancestor have depigmented. You are depigmented. SMH
Asia Minor, a peninsula also called Anatolia, comprises most of the Asian part of modern Turkey
That's at the same distance from the equator as Spain and Central China
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: We now have stooped so low, that showing whites coming from Asia minor is "black supremacy".
The reason why you're white is because your ancestor have depigmented. You are depigmented. SMH
Asia Minor, a peninsula also called Anatolia, comprises most of the Asian part of modern Turkey
That's at the same distance from the equator as Spain and Central China
So?
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: I did not say the frist Europeans came from the Siberia, you do.
I said they came in from Africa into Europe (via the Levant and perhaps Iberia). Which in this paper they refer to as Arabia./ Middle East.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness:
In your own words in what region were Europe's first hunter gatherer inhabitants in before they were in Europe?
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: As I have posted many times before. Via Siberia into Nortern Europe and then via the Crescent (Caucasus) into East Europe! Next month you'll probably ask me the same all over.
So you are retracting this last statement?
I'm talking about the ANE not the WHG or EEF
Yeah, and that's perhaps the problem here.
quote: Regular Middle Paleolithic inventories as well as Middle Paleolithic inventories of Aterian type have a long chronology in Morocco going back to MIS 6 and are interstratified in some sites. Their potential for detecting chrono-cultural patterns is low. The transition from the Middle to Upper Paleolithic, here termed Early Upper Paleolithic—at between 30 to 20 ka—remains a most enigmatic era. Scarce data from this period requires careful and fundamental reconsidering of human presence. By integrating environmental data in the reconstruction of population dynamics, clear correlations become obvious. High resolution data are lacking before 20 ka, and at some sites this period is characterized by the occurrence of sterile layers between Middle Paleolithic deposits, possibly indicative of a very low presence of humans in Morocco. After Heinrich Event 1, there is an enormous increase of data due to the prominent Late Iberomaurusian deposits that contrast strongly with the foregoing accumulations in terms of sedimentological features, fauna, and artifact composition. The Younger Dryas again shows a remarkable decline of data marking the end of the Paleolithic. Environmental improvements in the Holocene are associated with an extensive Epipaleolithic occupation. Therefore, the late glacial cultural sequence of Morocco is a good test case for analyzing the interrelationship of culture and climate change.
--Late Pleistocene Human Occupation of Northwest Africa: A Crosscheck of Chronology and Climate Change in Morocco Jörg Linstädter, Prehistoric Archaeology, Cologne University, GERMANY Josef Eiwanger, KAAK, German Archaeological Institute, GERMANY Abdessalam Mikdad, INSAP, MOROCCO Gerd-Christian Weniger, Neanderthal Museum, GERMANY
quote: North Africa is quickly emerging as one of the more important regions yielding information on the origins of modern Homo sapiens. Associated with significant fossil hominin remains are two stone tool industries, the Aterian and Mousterian, which have been differentiated, respectively, primarily on the basis of the presence and absence of tanged, or stemmed, stone tools. Largely because of historical reasons, these two industries have been attributed to the western Eurasian Middle Paleolithic rather than the African Middle Stone Age. In this paper, drawing on our recent excavation of Contrebandiers Cave and other published data, we show that, aside from the presence or absence of tanged pieces, there are no other distinctions between these two industries in terms of either lithic attributes or chronology. Together, these results demonstrate that these two ‘industries’ are instead variants of the same entity. Moreover, several additional characteristics of these assemblages, such as distinctive stone implements and the manufacture and use of bone tools and possible shell ornaments, suggest a closer affinity to other Late Pleistocene African Middle Stone Age industries rather than to the Middle Paleolithic of western Eurasia.
--On the industrial attributions of the Aterian and Mousterian of the Maghreb, Harold L. Dibble et al. Journal of Human Evolution, 2013 Elsevier.
quote:A complete mandible of Homo erectus was discovered at the Thomas I quarry in Casablanca by a French-Moroccan team. This mandible is the oldest human fossil uncovered from scientific excavations in Morocco. The discovery will help better define northern Africa's possible role in first populating southern Europe. A Homo erectus half-jaw had already been found at the Thomas I quarry in 1969, but it was a chance discovery and therefore with no archeological context.
For the record…… I missed this the first time around. There goes Jablonski’s nonsense theory on “ the food made them white”. Lighten of skin has NADA to do with agricultural diet. Nothing!!!
Anyone know what “bridged” and “few populations of mainly Mediterranean origin” means?
4 thinsg stand out form the Lazaridis re-write
1. Starch assimilation has nothing to do with Agiculture 2. Milk consumption has nothing to do with Agriculure or pastoralism 3. Light skin has nothing to do with Agriculure 4. Both near East and European population have the same “source” population. Tic! Toc!
---------------------------- Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans – Lazaridis et al Sep2014
reflect a strong bottleneck in Loschbour’s ancestors, as the genetic data show that he was not recently inbred (Extended Data Fig. 2). High copy numbers for the salivary amylase gene (AMY1) have been associated with a high starch diet12; our ancient genomes are consistent with the direction of this observation in that the Stuttgart farmer had the highest number of copies (16), whereas the ancient hunter-gatherers La Bran˜a (from Iberia)2,Motala12, and Loschbour had lower numbers (5, 6 and 13, respectively) (Supplementary Information section 7).We caution, however, that copy count in Loschbour is at the high end of present-day humans, showing that high copy counts of AMY1 cannot be accounted for entirely by selection since the switch to agriculture. Both Loschbour and Stuttgart had dark hair (.99% probability); and Loschbour, like La Bran˜a and Motala12, probably had blue OR light coloured eyes (.75%) whereas Stuttgart probably had brown eyes (.99% probability) (Supplementary Information section 8). Neither Loschbour nor La Bran˜a carries the skin-lightening allele in SLC24A5 that is homozygous in Stuttgart and nearly fixed in Europeans today2, but Motala12 carries at least one copy of the derived allele, showing that this allele was present in Europe before the advent of agriculture. We compared the ancient genomes to 2,345 present-day humans from 203 populations genotyped at 594,924 autosomal single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs)with the Human Origins array8 (Supplementary Information section 9) (Extended Data Table 1). We used ADMIXTURE13 to identify 59 ‘west Eurasian’ populations that cluster with Europe and the Near East (Supplementary Information section 9 and Extended Data Fig. 3). Principal component analysis (PCA)14 (Supplementary Information section 10) (Fig. 2) indicates a discontinuity between the Near East and Europe, with each showing north–south clines bridged only by a few populations of mainly Mediterranean origin.Weprojected15 the newly sequenced and previously published1–4 ancient genomes onto the first two principal components (PCs) (Fig. 2).
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A complete mandible of Homo erectus was discovered at the Thomas I quarry in Casablanca by a French-Moroccan team. This mandible is the oldest human fossil uncovered from scientific excavations in Morocco. The discovery will help better define northern Africa's possible role in ****first**** populating southern Europe. A Homo erectus half-jaw had already been found at the Thomas I quarry in 1969, but it was a chance discovery and therefore with no archeological context.
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Euroepans are depigmented North Africans who are in turn a subset of Suthern Sahara Africans.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
Euroepans are depigmented North Africans who are in turn a subset of Suthern Sahara Africans.
How did they become depigmented, and when did it happen?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
How or why? How ....mutation at several loci eg SLC24A5.
When ? Obviously about 4000bc during the Neolithic
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: How or why? How ....mutation at several loci eg SLC24A5.
When ? Obviously about 4000bc during the Neolithic
So then about 6,000 years ago, millions of Black Europeans woke up one morning and found that they had turned into depigmented Albinos.
Okay, but just one thing:
Sub-Saharan Albinos DON'T LOOK LIKE EUROPEANS!
ONLY DRAVIDIAN ALBINOS LOOK LIKE EUROPEANS! (Because they ARE Europeans).
So then xyyman, can you explain the discrepancy?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [QUOTE]
Sub-Saharan Albinos DON'T LOOK LIKE EUROPEANS!
So then xyyman, can you explain the discrepancy?
We are a long way off from eye-balling Anthropology. BTW European were indeed blackskinned greater 6000ya. they were replaced by a new population. All Hunter gatherers tested so far were black skinned.
If you are seriously interested.... ====
DNA-based prediction of human externally visible characteristics in forensics: Motivations, scientific challenges, and ethical considerations - Manfred Kayser 2009 M. Schneider Published Online: February 26, 2009
Abstract
There will always be criminal cases, where the evidence DNA sample will not match either a suspect's DNA profile, or any in a criminal DNA database. In the absence of DNA-based mass intelligence screenings, including familial searching (both of which may be restricted by legislation), there is only one option to potentially avoid or retrospectively solve “cold cases”: the DNA-based prediction of human externally visible characteristics of an unknown person based on the crime scene sample left behind. Predictive DNA markers are expected to be available for some group-specific appearance traits in the near future; although it is ****unlikely that we will soon be able to understand the biological complexity of individual-specific appearance*****. In suspect-less cases reliable DNA-based prediction of broader externally visible characteristics from crime scene samples are expected to reduce the potential pool of suspects by allowing police investigations to concentrate on specific groups of people. Here, we aim to describe the forensic motivations for DNA-based prediction of human externally visible traits as well as the scientific challenges of finding predictive DNA markers, and will discuss examples with promising (e.g. sex, eye color and hair color), as well as less promising expectations (e.g. adult body height), in the foreseen future. Despite the complex ethical and legal implications arising from DNA-based prediction of externally visible characteristics, we argue that their use does not lead to a violation of privacy. We suggest that likelihood-based results, rather than DNA data itself, should be provided to the police for investigative purposes avoiding data protection issues. Furthermore, we note that the risk of exacerbating social pressure on minority groups due to DNA-based prediction of externally visible traits in crime cases may be reduced rather than increased compared to a conventional eyewitness testimony. A firm legal basis will need to be established for the application of these promising qualitative techniques. To gain the attention of legislative bodies, we invite the forensic community to participate in a public discourse of these issues
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
To those who interested. We are a long way off from Forensic DNA Phenotyping (FDP). All we can tell right now based upon DNA is skin color, eye color, deseases...but even that is not correct 100% of the time.
bottomline...the old world is divided into north vs south. Dark colored people to the south and light skin to the north.
Negritos are ancestral to East Asians while dark Africans are ancestral to Europeans.
the ancient dark europeans were really related to the Negrito blacks and not most modern Africans.
All ancient black europeans are really 'archaic' negritos like andamans, melenesians etc
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
in others words you cannot 'look" at a person and know their ancestry. you need to "look' at their DNA.
The DNA shows southern europeans are 70-80% african. lazaridis et al lol!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: in others words you cannot 'look" at a person and know their ancestry. you need to "look' at their DNA.
Mike from your depiction of wide nosed African albinos it seems you have fallen into the trap of treating only wide nosed people as 'proper' Africans. It could be that albinism is more common among wide nosed Africans or because it easier to distinguish them from European people, as thin nosed African Albinos will be hard to distinguish from Europeans.
Also take note that wide noses were probably more common among medieval and Middle Age europeans that it is today, regardless of how light-complexioned they were.
This is for Doxie and Lioness
Johann George, Elector of Brandenburg (1571–1598) and Elizabeth of Anhalt
Don Carlos, son of Philip II of Spain
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg:
Also take note that wide noses were probably more common among medieval and Middle Age europeans that it is today, regardless of how light-complexioned they were.
why do you think wide noses were probably more common among medieval and Middle Age europeans that it is today
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg: You guys are just confusing Doxie.
Mike from your depiction of wide nosed African albinos it seems you have fallen into the trap of treating only wide nosed people as 'proper' Africans. It could be that albinism is more common among wide nosed Africans or because it easier to distinguish them from European people, as thin nosed African Albinos will be hard to distinguish from Europeans.
First of all great find, you surprise me.
Apologies to all who may be confused by my discourse with xyyman. Annoyance cause me to be simplistic in order to combat the simplistic.
When dealing with large populations, a certain amount of generality is necessary. Certainly a population as large a the Western White Race (as differentiated from the Eastern Whites/Albinos), must necessarily include Albinos from sources other than Dravidians, though Dravidians must necessarily be the base and major part. DNA evidence bears that out.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by Habsburg: [qb] You guys are just confusing Doxie.
Mike from your depiction of wide nosed African albinos it seems you have fallen into the trap of treating only wide nosed people as 'proper' Africans. It could be that albinism is more common among wide nosed Africans or because it easier to distinguish them from European people, as thin nosed African Albinos will be hard to distinguish from Europeans.
First of all great find, you surprise me.
He found something?
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: We now have stooped so low, that showing whites coming from Asia minor is "black supremacy".
The reason why you're white is because your ancestor have depigmented. You are depigmented. SMH
Asia Minor, a peninsula also called Anatolia, comprises most of the Asian part of modern Turkey
That's at the same distance from the equator as Spain and Central China
quote:Many human craniofacial dimensions are largely of neutral adaptive significance, and an analysis of their variation can serve as an indication of the extent to which any given population is genetically related to or differs from any other. When 24 craniofacial measurements of a series of human populations are used to generate neighbor-joining dendrograms, it is no surprise that all modern European groups, ranging all of the way from Scandinavia to eastern Europe and throughout the Mediterranean to the Middle East, show that they are closely related to each other. The surprise is that the Neolithic peoples of Europe and their Bronze Age successors are not closely related to the modern inhabitants, although the prehistoric/modern ties are somewhat more apparent in southern Europe. It is a further surprise that the Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa. Basques and Canary Islanders are clearly associated with modern Europeans. When canonical variates are plotted, neither sample ties in with Cro-Magnon as was once suggested. The data treated here support the idea that the Neolithic moved out of the Near East into the circum-Mediterranean areas and Europe by a process of demic diffusion but that subsequently the in situ residents of those areas, derived from the Late Pleistocene inhabitants, absorbed both the agricultural life way and the people who had brought it.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Euroepans are depigmented North Africans who are in turn a subset of Southern Sahara Africans
So then about 6,000 years ago, millions of Black Europeans woke up one morning and found that they had turned into depigmented Albinos.
Okay, but just one thing:
Sub-Saharan Albinos DON'T LOOK LIKE EUROPEANS!
ONLY DRAVIDIAN ALBINOS LOOK LIKE EUROPEANS! (Because they ARE Europeans).
So then xyyman, can you explain the discrepancy?
Mike pay attention, the first African people xyyman mentioned were "North Africans" therefore you should post North Africans for comparison and don't jump to his second remark which was
" who are in turn a subset of Southern Sahara Africans"
And even if you were to ignore over the first people he mentioned you still get him wrong. He said "Southern Sahara Africans" that means Africans inside the Southern part of the Sahara
But you brought up "Sub-Saharan Albinos" that means Africans living outside of the Sahara, all of Africa below the Sahara
Again, stop being a bone head and deal with what he said
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Euroepans are depigmented North Africans who are in turn a subset of Southern Sahara Africans
So then about 6,000 years ago, millions of Black Europeans woke up one morning and found that they had turned into depigmented Albinos.
Okay, but just one thing:
Sub-Saharan Albinos DON'T LOOK LIKE EUROPEANS!
ONLY DRAVIDIAN ALBINOS LOOK LIKE EUROPEANS! (Because they ARE Europeans).
So then xyyman, can you explain the discrepancy?
Mike pay attention, the first African people xyyman mentioned were "North Africans" therefore you should post North Africans for comparison and don't jump to his second remark which was
"who are in turn a subset of Southern Sahara Africans"
And even if you were to ignore over the first people he mentioned you still get him wrong. He said "Southern Sahara Africans" that means Africans inside the Southern part of the Sahara
But you brought up "Sub-Saharan Albinos" that means Africans living outside of the Sahara, all of Africa below the Sahara
Again, stop being a bone head and deal with what he said
Lio, where are your pictures of European diversity? LOL
As if all sub Saharan people have similar facial traits.
I find it annoying to repeat myself, but for the sake of the argument.
quote:Migrations into India “did occur, but rarely from western Eurasian populations.” There are low frequencies of the western Eurasian mtDNA types in both southern and northern India. Thus, the ‘caucasoid’ features of south Asians may best be considered ‘pre-caucasoid’— that is, part of a diverse north or north-east African gene pool that yielded separate origins for western Eurasian and southern Asian populations over 50,000 years ago.
-- U.S. biological anthropologist Todd R. Disotell.
quote: European connection? Some features, such as the molars, of these 40,000-year- old specimens from Romania resemble those of earlier North African hominins.
Abstract The Aterian fossil hominins represent one of the most abundant series of human remains associated with Middle Stone Age/Middle Paleolithic assemblages in Africa.
The discovery will help better define northern Africa's possible role in first populating southern Europe.
The makers of these assemblages can therefore be seen as (1) a group of Homo sapiens predating and/or contemporary to the out-of-Africa exodus of the species, and (2) geographically one of the (if not the) closest from the main gate to Eurasia at the northeastern corner of the African continent.
Although Moroccan specimens have been discovered far away from this area, they may provide us with one of the best proxies of the African groups that expanded into Eurasia[...]
quote:At about 40,000 years ago, however, Homo sapiens, in the form of the Cro-Magnons, began trickling into Europe, probably from an initially African place of origin.
[...]
It was brought with them by the Cro-Magnons, whose new qualities had emerged elsewhere. Probably this was in Africa, for it is from this continent that we have not just the first suggestions of the emergence of modern anatomical structure, but of modern behaviors as well.
[...]
The most remarkable early evidence of symbolic activity in Africa comes in the form of the recent find of engraved ochre plaques, such as this one, from Blombos Cave on the southern coast of Africa (Fig. 10). This is an unequivocally symbolic object, even if we cannot directly discern the significance of the geometric design that the plaque bears; and it is dated to around 70,000 years ago, over 30,000 years before anything equivalent is found in Europe.
To evidence such as this can be added suggestions of a symbolic organization of space at the site of Klasies River Mouth (Fig. 11), also near the southern tip of Africa, at over 100,000 years ago. Pierced shells, with the strong implication of stringing for body ornamentation, are known from Porc-Epic Cave in Ethiopia at around 70,000 years ago. Bone tools of the kind introduced much later to Europe by the Cro-Magnons, are found at the Congolese site of Katanda, dated to perhaps 80,000 years ago. Blade tool industries, again formerly associated principally with the Cro-Magnons, are found at least sporadically at sites in Africa that date to as much as a quarter of a million years ago. Also in the economic/technological realm, such activities as flint-mining, pigment-processing and long-distance trade in useful materials are documented in Africa up to about 100,000 years ago. These and other early African innovations are reviewed by McBrearty and Brooks (2000).
See the "secondary" orange lines? These are 2nd migrationary events. See the lines from Madenkas and other SSA to North Africa. then from North Africa to Southern Europe.
This is not rocket science.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Sorry for the large pic. But here is what Pickerell says'
Quote: Finally, we infer an admixture edge from the Middle East (a population related to the Mozabite, a Berber population from northern Africa) to southern European populations (w~22%). This migration edge is the one edge that is not consistent across independent runs of TreeMix on these data (Figure S8). In particular, an alternative graph (albeit with lower likelihood) places the Mozabite as an admixture between southern Europe and Africa *****(RATHER ******than the Middle East and Africa), and does NOT include an edge from the middle East to southern Europe.
WE THUS HESITATE TO INTERPRET THIS RESULT, except to note that the relationship between northern African, the Middle East, and southern Europe involves complex patterns of gene flow that merit further investigation [43,57].
Europeans are essentially depigmented "modern" Africans.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
To those who can follow. This is the exact same thing DNATribes observed (they will be missed), migration going from North Africa to Europe OR Near East to Europe. Not both. They were unsure. Now Pickerell made the same statement. This is too easy.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: [Q Sorry for the large pic. But here is what Pickerell says'
Quote: Finally, we infer an admixture edge from the Middle East (a population related to the Mozabite, a Berber population from northern Africa) to southern European populations (w~22%). This migration edge is the one edge that is not consistent across independent runs of TreeMix on these data (Figure S8). In particular, an alternative graph (albeit with lower likelihood) places the Mozabite as an admixture between southern Europe and Africa *****(RATHER ******than the Middle East and Africa), and does NOT include an edge from the middle East to southern Europe.
WE THUS HESITATE TO INTERPRET THIS RESULT, except to note that the relationship between northern African, the Middle East, and southern Europe involves complex patterns of gene flow that merit further investigation [43,57].
Even back then, close to three decades ago, before recent advnaces in genetics , they knew Modern Europeans are NOT a wholesome group. Now with recent advances they have narrowed the “Midlle East” to North Africa. Now the archeological and Anthroplogical similarities on both side of the Medit Sea makes sense.
This is too easy.
--------------------- Posted by TP earlier.
Even back then:
Eur J Hum Genet. 1993;1(1):3-18. Human genomic diversity in Europe: a summary of recent research and prospects for the future. Cavalli-Sforza LL1, Piazza A.
Author information
Abstract
Gene frequencies in Europe are intermediate with respect to those of other continents. A phylogenetic tree reconstructed from 95 gene frequencies tested on 26 European samples shows some deviant populations (Lapps, Sardinians, Greeks, Yugoslavs, Basques, Icelanders and Finns) and other weakly structured populations. This behavior may have a simple interpretation: Europeans have not evolved according to a tree of descent probably because of the major role played by migrations in prehistorical and historical times. The leading component of the European genetic landscape is a gradient that originates in the Middle East and is directed to the northwest. According to the hypothesis by Ammerman and Cavalli-Sforza this gradient was generated by a migration of Neolithic farmers from Anatolia followed by continuous, partial admixture of the expanding farmers with local hunter-gatherers. Other leading components of the gene frequencies in Europe show correlations with possible movements of Uralic-speaking people and pastoral nomads from a region north of the Caucasus and Black Sea, which according to Gimbutas is the area of origin of Indo-European speakers. This analysis is based on classical pre-DNA genetic markers. The prospect of future research using DNA polymorphisms is discussed in the context of the Human Genome Project.
Future research and the Genome Project is now virtually complete.
In addtion that new paper on the IE on the Yamnaya has now confirmed there was additional movement of “pastoralist” from the East but they did not have a significant impact. Because the Yamnaya peoples were also admixed with recent Africans. To those who can follow the Yamnaya people mtDNA hg_H was UNLIKE the North Africans. The high resolution analysis shows their sub-clade was on a different branch of the HG-H tree.
This is too easy.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Europeans are essentially depigmented "modern" Africans.
1)Is there any country in North Africa which you think is a good or best example of this ?
2)Also did these Africans have straight hair or afros beforer they left Africa?
3) The earliest of the European populations tha Lazaridis discusses is ANE ( Ancient North Eurasians) Where did they come from?
Troll Patrol I'm asking xyyman not you. Give him a chance to answer
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
You are really funny. Ha! Ha! I just posted on Forensic DNA Phenotyping. Not been to Africa so I don't know the difference between a Berber, Afar, Zulu, Mandingo etc. I am going strictly by the data presented in the papers. The researchers know the indigenous populations. That is why they sample Amazigh in North Africa and Bedoiuns in the levant and Arabia.
Did they have Afros? I don't know because DNA analysis to identify hair texture is not that advance (see FDP). But as I "speculated" before. Straight hair is indigenous to Africa. Why? The convergent evolution of Negritos.
This is too easy.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
As for ANE. You need to be able to read the charts and understand them. ALL,yes, ALL populations have an Aftican origin. See the black branches in the Pickerell chart posted above. ANE is part of the first OOA. The orange line is one of the subsequent "recent" OOA. More than 80% of some modern European DNA is from the recent OOA. Pickerell chart just corraborated Lazadiris!!!! ANE is as named, North East Asia, but also came Out of AFRICA. Their entry into Europe was via .......the North East!!! Ding ding ding
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Btw. Those late paleolithic anthropological finds in North Africa posted by TP were part of the first OOA. ie La Brana ancestors, that is why La Brana is more closely related to Asians like Onge cf to modern Europeans or modern Africans. Wasn't La Brana also hg-C? An East Asian lineage.
A 2nd wave starting with Stuttgart and Otzi subsequently replaced La Brana only recently.
Do you know why "Sardinians" are closest match to Neolithics? Because that was the main entry point !!!!
This is too easy.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Do you know why the islands in the Medit Sea, like Sardinia, Sicily, Malta, has the more advanced farming technology cf to main land Europe? It wasn't the BS lie of "island hopping".
It is an African technology!!!
Edited - smart device auto complete has its drawbacks.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Oh! Do you know why Asians such as Melanese, Australians have a greater amount of supposedly “Neanderthal” ancestry? Anyone? Anyone?
The answer is staring them in the face. Their wack prejudicial beliefs is fughing up their thinking.
Asians, Melanese etc are a MORE ancient population than Europeans. Which supports the African sub-structure hypothesis. It has nothing to do with Neanderthal fucgking humans or the other way around. The new diverse Neolithic Africans entering Europe reduced the Neanderthal “genes”. I am sure if they tested ANE and WHG they will show a slight increase in “Neanderthal” genes over modern Europeans Oh! Wait! They did that already. LOL! See recent Paabo paper.
Or, if they parse Northern Europe cf to Southern Europe. They will find Northerns have a slightly higher “Nemderthal” genes. Lol!
This is too easy.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
XyYTHater, yeah this coming from someone who has such hatred & contempt for White people that they will deny Whites any kind of history, heritage, identity, knowledge of self, racial pride, & who has stated that White people have no place on earth we belong. Yet XyYTHater the Black supremacist Black racist wants to quote self hating Anti-White Whites papers and expects people to take them at their word even though we know a scientist wouldn't lie & even go as far as to taint genetic evidence to suit an Anti-White agenda now would they.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
"She" can talk! More than the usually copy and paste diatribe.
When you finish your GED science courses, give up on multiregionalism and get into the 21st century we can talk like intelligent people.
Europeans are depigmented Africans. Sorry. It is that simple.
Funny thing is they ARE trying to maintain a pro-white agenda. But the evidence emerging keeps smashing their pre conceived beliefs in a million pieces.
They are putting up a fight, holding on desperately to the "Levant" or Steppes as their ancestral home. Any place but Africa. Lol! No! Not Africa! Lol!
Notice the BS wording Pickerell uses. " Middle East population related to the Berber" WTF does that mean? Really. Are there Berbers in the Levant? He refuse to use clearly admit they are an African Berber sub-set. I am onto their games now.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Africans has always owned and occupied Europe. Always!!! African Neolithics entering Europe.
Here is another paper fresh off the press – the flood gates are wide open now. He! He! He! --------- Genetic Evidence For An Origin Of The Armenians From Bronze Age Mixing Of Multiple Populations - Marc Haber Et Al Feb2015 Posted Quote: Previous genetic studies have generally used Turks as representatives of ancient Anatolians. Our results show that Turks are genetically shifted towards Central Asians, a pattern consistent with a history of mixture with populations from this region. These diversity patterns observed in the PCA motivated formal testing of admixture in Armenians and other regional populations.
Admixture in the Near East To formally test for population mixture in Armenians we performed a 3-population test24 in the form of f3(Armenian; A, B) where a significantly negative value of the f3 statistic implies that Armenians descend from a mixture of the populations represented by A and B, chosen from the 78 global populations. We found signals of mixture from several African and Eurasian populations (Table 1, Figure 3). The most significantly negative f3 statistics are for 8
mixture of populations related to Sardinians and Central Asians, followed by several mixtures of populations from the Caucasus, Arabian Peninsula, the Levant, Europe, and Africa. We sought to date these mixture events using exponential decay of admixture-induced linkage disequilibrium (LD). The *****oldest mixture events****** appear to be between populations related to sub-Saharan Africans and West Europeans occurring ~3,800 BCE, followed closely by mixture of Sardinian and Caucasus-related populations. ***Later, ***several mixture events occurred from 3,000-1,200 BCE involving diverse Eurasian populations (Table 1, Figure 3). We compared patterns of admixture in Armenians to other regional populations and detected signals of recent admixture in most other populations. For example, we find 7.9% (±0.4) East Asian ancestry in Turks from admixture occurring 800 (±170). We also detect sub-Saharan African gene flow 850 (±85) years ago in Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians.
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Are you a white male Dhoxie?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Relevant quotes: Another group of Africans entering Europe 3800BCE
Quotes:
The oldest mixture events appear to be between populations related to sub-Saharan Africans and West Europeans occurring ~3,800 BCE, followed closely by mixture of Sardinian and Caucasus-related population
We then ran TreeMix allowing it to infer only one migration event, and revealed gene flow from the Iceman to Armenians accounting for about 29% of their ancestry. The graph structure appeared robust in 100 bootstrap replicates with the first migration (highest weight and lowest p-value) ALWAYS leading from the Iceman to Armenians (Figure 4).
West European hunter-gatherers have previously been shown to have contributed ancestry to all Europeans but not to Near Easterners 6 Consistent with this, we found reduced affinity and no noticeable structure in the Near Easterners in their relation to La Braña (Supplementary Figure S4) (compared with the Iceman).
Our admixture tests show that Armenians genomes carry signals of extensive population mixture during this period. We note that these mixture dates also coincide with the legendary establishment of Armenia in 2,492 BCE. Admixture signals decrease to insignificant levels after 1,200 BCE, a time when Bronze Age civilizations
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
Gene flow is multidirectional. Though throughout the Pleistocene, to early Holocene, it was mostly from Africa. The reverse however has occurred since the 'population explosion' in Eurasia during the Neolithic. Gene flow into Africa from Eurasia within the last few thousands years has been heavy. So African populations are significantly "mixed" too; I don't see what your point is.
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: You are really funny. Ha! Ha! I just posted on Forensic DNA Phenotyping. Not been to Africa so I don't know the difference between a Berber, Afar, Zulu, Mandingo etc. I am going strictly by the data presented in the papers. The researchers know the indigenous populations. That is why they sample Amazigh in North Africa and Bedoiuns in the levant and Arabia.
Did they have Afros? I don't know because DNA analysis to identify hair texture is not that advance (see FDP). But as I "speculated" before. Straight hair is indigenous to Africa. Why? The convergent evolution of Negritos.
This is too easy.
FDP isn't reliable for old remains because of contamination and deterioration of DNA. Craniometry is much more reliable than ancient DNA in this regard.
"Pruvost et al. (2007) have recently shown that DNA deteriorates rapidly after excavation, up to 50 times as fast as in buried specimens. The various reported ‘fragmentary DNA sequences’ from ‘Neanderthal’ remains stored for up to 150 years need to be considered in that light. A large part, on average 85%, of the genetic material preserved in fossils is lost as a result of treatment by archaeologists and storage in museums, therefore the results disseminated from these specimens and their interpretations may be questioned." (Bednarik, 2008)
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
No XyYTHater, I am a proud White female learn to listen sometimes. I don't need my GED, I graduated from High School over 15yrs ago never went to an institution of Anti-White learning though. What the heck does Otzi have to do with anything LOL, he wasn't Black despite what you try to say.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
I sense a blind wishful need. Your world is coming to an end Ha! Ha! Ha! Yeah migration from Europe INTO Africa, when? who? what? where? TSk! Tsk! You really don't know how this thing works, do you?
Oh! you do know that the last study has put a brake on you people who are into X-oids and X-ids. There goes your Armenoids(ids). Sub-Saharans were the first to admixed with them. SMH. Clowns!!!!
quote:Originally posted by Dead: [] Gene flow is multidirectional. Though throughout the Pleistocene, to early Holocene, it was mostly from Africa. The reverse however has occurred since the 'population explosion' in Eurasia during the Neolithic. Gene flow into Africa from Eurasia within the last few thousands years has been HEAVY. So African populations are significantly "mixed" too; I don't see what your point is. [/QB]
In the modern nations of North Africa only ONE Major ***non-African ****male lineage is present. J2. Ottoman Turks.
How can you tell? Tic! Toc!
This is too easy.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
What does Otzi have to do with anything she ask? Tsk! Tsk! Word of advice. More can be gained from an argument than looking at or showing pictures.
Have any of you looked at the actual genome of Otzi? (not the sensationalized picture posted on websites) You know it can be downloaded for free?
Otzi wasn't black she says.
What do you think Cass? Have you checked out the skull and morphology of Otzi? Can you explain it to her Cass? Tell her who Otzi aligns or cluster with. North Africans or modern Europeans?
And I am not talking genetics, I know this is not your forte.
Analyze the morphology of Otzi to her. Bring her back to earth. Earth-to-Dhoxie!
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: No XyYTHater, I am a proud White female learn to listen sometimes. I don't need my GED, I graduated from High School over 15yrs ago never went to an institution of Anti-White learning though. What the heck does Otzi have to do with anything LOL, he wasn't Black despite what you try to say.
She doesn't understand why Otzi is so important to modern European scientist. I give up! SMH
Posted by Dead (Member # 21978) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I sense a blind wishful need. Your world is coming to an end Ha! Ha! Ha! Yeah migration from Europe INTO Africa, when? who? what? where? TSk! Tsk! You really don't know how this thing works, do you?
Oh! you do know that the last study has put a brake on you people who are into X-oids and X-ids. There goes your Armenoids(ids). Sub-Saharans were the first to admixed with them. SMH. Clowns!!!!
quote:Originally posted by Dead: [] Gene flow is multidirectional. Though throughout the Pleistocene, to early Holocene, it was mostly from Africa. The reverse however has occurred since the 'population explosion' in Eurasia during the Neolithic. Gene flow into Africa from Eurasia within the last few thousands years has been HEAVY. So African populations are significantly "mixed" too; I don't see what your point is.
In the modern nations of North Africa only ONE Major ***non-African ****male lineage is present. J2. Ottoman Turks.
How can you tell? Tic! Toc!
This is too easy. [/QB]
There's no shortage of genetic studies, and they are all converging, producing the same estimate, from roughly 4000-3000 years ago.
The alleles of single-nucleotide polymorphisms rs1426654 and rs1834640 (derived SLC24A5):
"The SLC24A5 allele associated with light skin pigmentation in Europeans, may represent gene flow into Africa, which we estimate to have occurred ~3 thousand years ago (kya)." (Pagani et al., 2012)
"A former admixture is likely to have occurred in mainland Africa before human groups settled in Madagascar."
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
I asked you about the morphology of Otzi and you respond about something you know nothing about.
Here is what the leading expert on skin pigmentation says. And he supported it with raw data
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Quote:
To explore these ideas, we first examined worldwide allele frequency distributions for the most strongly associated SNP at each locus, using information from the Human Genome Diversity Project (HGDP) [39] and HapMap III [19]. THE DERIVED APBA2 (OCA2) ALLELE IS PRESENT AT LOW FREQUENCIES IN ***MOST POPULATIONS*** OF AFRICAN ANCESTRY, AND AT HIGH FREQUENCIES IN MOST POPULATIONS OF ASIAN AND EUROPEAN ANCESTRY. By contrast, the derived HERC2 (OCA2) allele is absent??? from African and East Asian populations, and appears at high frequency only in Western and Northern Europe (Figure 6a, 6b). These results suggest that an APBA2 (OCA2) mutation conferring light skin arose BEFORE the spread of humans out of Africa, and that a HERC2 (OCA2) mutation conferring pale eye color arose much later
Oh! This paper was written before aDNA testing on La Brana and ancient Hungarians. As of 2015 we know now that, yes, Shriver was correct. Light eyes and light skin are unrelated. And testing on incoming Neolthics indeed carried the light skin genes. Even more fascinating is the light eyes appeared before light skin IN Europe.
Now guess what population carries the ancestral locus for light eyes. Tic! Toc!
This is too easy.
Yes. Europeans are depigmented Africans
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Where the “big brains” at ? Anyone knows what the statements means and more importantly the significance?
Quote: ====
f3 statistics and replaced the Iceman with a 7,000 year old European hunter gatherer from Spain (La Braña).21 West European hunter-gatherers have previously been shown to have contributed ancestry to all Europeans but not to Near Easterners.6 Consistent with this, we found reduced affinity and no noticeable structure in the Near Easterners in their relation to La Braña (Supplementary Figure S4) (compared with the Iceman).
One of the most-studied demographic processes in population genetics is the Neolithic expansion of Near Eastern farmers into Europe beginning ~8,000 years ago. Armenians’ location at the northern tip of the Near East suggests a possible relationship to the expanding Neolithic farmers. We find in Armenians and other genetic ISOLATES in the Near East high shared ancestry with ancient European farmers with ancestry proportions similar to present-day Europeans but NOT to present-day Near Easterners. These results suggest that genetic isolates in the Near East - Cypriots (an island population), Near Eastern Jews and Christians (religious isolates), and Armenians (Ethno-linguistic isolate) - probably retain features of an ancient genetic landscape in the Near East that had more affinity to Europe than the present populations do. Our tests show that most of the Near East genetic isolates ancestry shared with Europeans can be attributed to expansion AFTER the Neolithic period.
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I am not going to ask you Cass, you wouldn’t know, anyone else?
Hint – OOA …(s)
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dead:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I sense a blind wishful need. Your world is coming to an end Ha! Ha! Ha! Yeah migration from Europe INTO Africa, when? who? what? where? TSk! Tsk! You really don't know how this thing works, do you?
Oh! you do know that the last study has put a brake on you people who are into X-oids and X-ids. There goes your Armenoids(ids). Sub-Saharans were the first to admixed with them. SMH. Clowns!!!!
quote:Originally posted by Dead: [] Gene flow is multidirectional. Though throughout the Pleistocene, to early Holocene, it was mostly from Africa. The reverse however has occurred since the 'population explosion' in Eurasia during the Neolithic. Gene flow into Africa from Eurasia within the last few thousands years has been HEAVY. So African populations are significantly "mixed" too; I don't see what your point is.
In the modern nations of North Africa only ONE Major ***non-African ****male lineage is present. J2. Ottoman Turks.
There's no shortage of genetic studies, and they are all converging, producing the same estimate, from roughly 4000-3000 years ago.
The alleles of single-nucleotide polymorphisms rs1426654 and rs1834640 (derived SLC24A5):
"The SLC24A5 allele associated with light skin pigmentation in Europeans, may represent gene flow into Africa, which we estimate to have occurred ~3 thousand years ago (kya)." (Pagani et al., 2012)
"A former admixture is likely to have occurred in mainland Africa before human groups settled in Madagascar." [/QB]
So, basically according to this paper "light skin" (relative number) happend when Greeks, Romans entered North Africa. Chronologically that makes the best sense. Thou it seems a bit problematic here,
Likely, these papers are echoes of one another. If we look into the footnotes and references. There is no shortage of oddities.
"converging, producing the same estimate"
Apparently Africans carried the fixed as well as unfixed alleles for light skin.
Figure 2 | Ancestral variants around the SLC45A2 (rs16891982, above) and SLC24A5 (rs1426654, below) pigmentation genes in the Mesolithic genome.
"The SNPs around the two diagnostic variants (red arrows) in these two genes were analysed. The resulting haplotype comprises neighbouring SNPs that are also absent in modern Europeans (CEU) (n = 112) but present in Yorubans (YRI) (n = 113). This pattern confirms that the La Braña 1 sample is older than the positive-selection event in these regions. Blue, ancestral; red, derived."
--Carles Lalueza-Fox
Nature 507, 225–228 (13 March 2014) doi:10.1038/nature12960
Also,
Volume 285, 8 February 2013, Pages 44–56
Genetic evidence for the colonization of Australia
Past research on Madagascar indicates that village communities were established about AD 500 by people of both Indonesian and East African heritage. Evidence of earlier visits is scattered and contentious. Recent archaeological excavations in northern Madagascar provide evidence of occupational sites with microlithic stone technologies related to foraging for forest and coastal resources. A forager occupation of one site dates to earlier than 2000 B.C., doubling the length of Madagascar’s known occupational history, and thus the time during which people exploited Madagascar’s environments. We detail stratigraphy, chronology, and artifacts from two rock shelters. Ambohiposa near Iharana (Vohémar) on the northeast coast, yielded a stratified assemblage with small flakes, microblades, and retouched crescentic and trapezoidal tools, probably projectile elements, made on cherts and obsidian, some brought more that 200 km. 14C dates are contemporary with the earliest villages. No food remains are preserved. Lakaton’i Anja near Antsiranana in the north yielded several stratified assemblages. The latest assemblage is well dated to A.D. 1050–1350, by 14C and optically stimulated luminescence dating and pottery imported from the Near East and China. Below is a series of stratified assemblages similar to Ambohiposa. 14C and optically stimulated luminescence dates indicate occupation from at least 2000 B.C. Faunal remains indicate a foraging pattern. Our evidence shows that foragers with a microlithic technology were active in Madagascar long before the arrival of farmers and herders and before many Late Holocene faunal extinctions. The differing effects of historically distinct economies must be identified and understood to reconstruct Holocene histories of human environmental impact.
Stone tools and foraging in northern Madagascar challenge Holocene extinction models
Robert E. Dewara,1, Chantal Radimilahyb, Henry T. Wrightc,d,2, Zenobia Jacobse, Gwendolyn O. Kellyf, and Francesco Bernag
Published online before print July 15, 2013, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1306100110 PNAS July 15, 2013
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Oh! This paper was written before aDNA testing on La Brana and ancient Hungarians. As of 2015 we know now that, yes, Shriver was correct. Light eyes and light skin are unrelated. And testing on incoming Neolthics indeed carried the light skin genes. Even more fascinating is the light eyes appeared before light skin IN Europe.
Now guess what population carries the ancestral locus for light eyes. Tic! Toc!
This is too easy.
Yes. Europeans are depigmented Africans
Why do you assume all people with brown skin are therefore African?
Posted by Fourty2Tribes (Member # 21799) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Europeans are essentially depigmented "modern" Africans.
1)Is there any country in North Africa which you think is a good or best example of this ?
2)Also did these Africans have straight hair or afros beforer they left Africa?
3) The earliest of the European populations tha Lazaridis discusses is ANE ( Ancient North Eurasians) Where did they come from?
Troll Patrol I'm asking xyyman not you. Give him a chance to answer
Read the tea leaves
What's new though? With a proper map Europe is basically South Africa. Pagen Europe and it's prior history was culturally identical to Africa.
Posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Oh! This paper was written before aDNA testing on La Brana and ancient Hungarians. As of 2015 we know now that, yes, Shriver was correct. Light eyes and light skin are unrelated. And testing on incoming Neolthics indeed carried the light skin genes. Even more fascinating is the light eyes appeared before light skin IN Europe.
Now guess what population carries the ancestral locus for light eyes. Tic! Toc!
This is too easy.
Yes. Europeans are depigmented Africans
Why do you assume all people with brown skin are therefore African?
Alleses have been posted, yet still... SMH
quote:Among recent humans brachial and crural indices are positively correlated with mean annual temperature, such that high indices are found in tropical groups. However, despite inhabiting glacial Europe, the Upper Paleolithic Europeans possessed high indices, prompting Trinkaus (1981) to argue for gene flow from warmer regions associated with modern human emergence in Europe. In contrast, Frayeret al. (1993) point out that Late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Europeans should not exhibit tropically-adapted limb proportions, since, even assuming replacement, their ancestors had experienced cold stress in glacial Europe for at least 12 millennia.
This study investigates three questions tied to the brachial and crural indices among Late Pleistocene and recent humans. First, which limb segments (either proximal or distal) are primarily responsible for variation in brachial and crural indices? Second, are these indices reflective ofoveralllimb elongation? And finally, do the Late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Europeans retain relatively and/or absolutely long limbs? Results indicate that in the lower limb, the distal limb segment contributes most of the variability to intralimb proportions, while in the upper limb the proximal and distal limb segments appear to be equally variable. Additionally, brachial and crural indices do not appear to be a good measure of overall limb length, and thus, while the Late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic humans have significantly higher (i.e., tropically-adapted) brachial and crural indices than do recent Europeans, they also have shorter (i.e., cold-adapted) limbs. The somewhat paradoxical retention of “tropical” indices in the context of more “cold-adapted” limb length is best explained as evidence for Replacement in the European Late Pleistocene, followed by gradual cold adaptation in glacial Europe.
--Trenton W. Holliday
Brachial and crural indices of European Late Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic humans
QUOTE: "Selective pressure for fair skin in European ancestors is thought to reflect the need for sunlight-induced vitamin D production [1], [2], but there is no analogous hypothesis for selection of pale eye color; thus, a derivative HERC2 (OCA2) allele may have hitchhiked on a derivative APBA2-bearing chromosome, or could have undergone independent selection for reasons that are distinct from those affecting APBA2 (OCA2).
To explore these ideas, we first examined worldwide allele frequency distributions for the most strongly associated SNP at each locus, using information from the Human Genome Diversity Project (HGDP) [39] and HapMap III [19]. The derived APBA2 (OCA2) allele is present at low frequencies in most populations of African ancestry, and at high frequencies in most populations of Asian and European ancestry. By contrast, the derived HERC2 (OCA2) allele is absent from African and East Asian populations, and appears at high frequency only in Western and Northern Europe (Figure 6a, 6b). These results suggest that an APBA2 (OCA2) mutation conferring light skin arose before the spread of humans out of Africa, and that a HERC2 (OCA2) mutation conferring pale eye color arose much later." --Beleza et al (2013) Genetic Architecture of Skin and Eye Color in an African-European Admixed Population. PLoS Genet 9(3)
^^Good job on finding these studies xyz and Patrol. These results track with previous studies showing Africans have the highest skin color diversity- (Relethford) - and need no "redbone race mix" to fundamentally explain why they may have lighter skin.
But what about light colored eyes? When and where did mutation arise for that?
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
Reduced selection for melanin around Dead Sea (camouflage, UV absence)
Malay settlement at Somalia/Yemen/Djibouti (monsoonal sailing) previous to Madagascar agriculture
Alluvial fan records from southeast Arabia reveal multiple windows for human dispersal Ash Parton cs 2015 http://dx.doi.org/10.1130/G36401.1 http://www.geosociety.org/news/pr/2015/15-13.htm The dispersal of human populations out of Africa into Arabia was most likely linked to episodes of climatic amelioration, when increased monsoon rainfall led to - the activation of drainage systems, - improved freshwater availability & - the development of regional vegetation. Here we present the first dated terrestrial record from SE.Arabia that provides evidence for increased rainfall & the expansion of vegetation during both glacial & interglacial periods. Findings from extensive alluvial fan deposits indicate that drainage system activation occurred during Marine Isotope Stages - MIS-6 ~160150 ka, - MIS-5 ~13075 ka & - early MIS-3 ~55 ka. The development of active freshwater systems during these periods corresponds with monsoon intensity increases during insolation maxima, suggesting that humid periods in Arabia were not confined to eccentricity-paced deglaciations, and providing paleo-environmental support for multiple windows of opportunity for dispersal out of Africa during the late Pleistocene.
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Geological Society of America 20.2.15 Out of Africa: Did humans migrate quickly and all-at-once or in phases based on weather?
Considerable debate surrounds the migration of human populations OoA. 2 predominant hypotheses concerning the timing contrast in their emphasis on the role of the Arabian interior & its changing climate: 1) human populations expanded rapidly from Africa to S-Asia via the coast-lines of Arabia ~50-60 ka, 2) dispersal into the Arabian interior began much earlier (~75-130 ka) during multiple phases, when increased rainfall provided sufficient freshwater to support expanding populations.
Parton cs (2d camp): "The dispersal of early human populations OoA is dynamically linked with the changing climate & environmental conditions of Arabia. Although now arid, at times the vast Arabian deserts were transformed into landscapes littered with freshwater lakes & active river systems. Such episodes of dramatically increased rainfall were the result of the intensification & north-ward displacement of the Indian Ocean Monsoon, which caused rainfall to reach across much of Arabia."
They present a unique alluvial fan aggradation record from SE.Arabia spanning the past ~160 ka. Situated along the proposed southern dispersal route, the Al-Sibetah alluvial fan sequence provides a unique & sensitive record of landscape change in SE.Arabia. This record is to date the most comprehensive terrestrial archive from Arabia, and provides evidence for multiple humid episodes during both glacials & interglacials.
Evidence from the Al Sibetah alluvial fan sequence indicates that during insolation maxima, increased monsoon rainfall led to the widespread activation of drainage systems & grassland development throughout regions that were important for the dispersal of early human populations.
Previously, the timing of episodes of increased humidity was largely linked to global interglacials, with the climate of Arabia during the intervening glacial periods believed to be too arid to support human populations. Parton cs suggest, however, that periods of increased rainfall were not driven by mid-high latitude deglaciations every ~100 ky, but by periods of maximum incoming solar radiation every ~23 ky: "The occurrence of humid periods previously identified in lacustrine or speleothem records highlights the complexity & heterogeneity of the Arabian paleo-climate: Interior migration pathways through Arabia may have been viable every ~23 ky since at least marine isotope state MIS-6" ~191 ky.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
You do understand the statement?... allele may have hitchhiked on a derivative APBA2-bearing chromosome, or could have undergone independent selection for reasons that are distinct from those affecting APBA2 (OCA2).
Mike may be correct in some aspects. But he got it a little twisted
Nevertheless
These results suggest that an APBA2 (OCA2) mutation conferring light skin arose before the spread of humans out of Africa, and that a HERC2 (OCA2) mutation conferring pale eye color arose MUCH LATER"
We now know, this statement is outdated. The paper was written BEFORE La Brana who had light/blue eyes and black skin.
So....light eyes was indeed indepedent to light skin but entered Europe PRIOR to light skin.
Posted by Snakepit1 (Member # 21736) on :
quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: QUOTE: "Selective pressure for fair skin in European ancestors is thought to reflect the need for sunlight-induced vitamin D production [1], [2], but there is no analogous hypothesis for selection of pale eye color; thus, a derivative HERC2 (OCA2) allele may have hitchhiked on a derivative APBA2-bearing chromosome, or could have undergone independent selection for reasons that are distinct from those affecting APBA2 (OCA2).
To explore these ideas, we first examined worldwide allele frequency distributions for the most strongly associated SNP at each locus, using information from the Human Genome Diversity Project (HGDP) [39] and HapMap III [19]. The derived APBA2 (OCA2) allele is present at low frequencies in most populations of African ancestry, and at high frequencies in most populations of Asian and European ancestry. By contrast, the derived HERC2 (OCA2) allele is absent from African and East Asian populations, and appears at high frequency only in Western and Northern Europe (Figure 6a, 6b). These results suggest that an APBA2 (OCA2) mutation conferring light skin arose before the spread of humans out of Africa, and that a HERC2 (OCA2) mutation conferring pale eye color arose much later." --Beleza et al (2013) Genetic Architecture of Skin and Eye Color in an African-European Admixed Population. PLoS Genet 9(3)
^^Good job on finding these studies xyz and Patrol. These results track with previous studies showing Africans have the highest skin color diversity- (Relethford) - and need no "redbone race mix" to fundamentally explain why they may have lighter skin.
But what about light colored eyes? When and where did mutation arise for that?
If OCA2 causes pale skin, then that doesn't account for any redbones at all. Pale skin is pale skin, "in-betweeners" aren't albino's.
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Oh yes, you are absolutely right... 
it takes a such a special kind of minority people to wreak so much havoc and destruction and cause so much problem over and around the whole of Mama Earth and her majority populations...yes, very special indeed... 
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Brutally beaten and raped. Here's a link to the story and a picture of her killer.![[Wink]](wink.gif)
this picture becomes even more relevant to this thread:
WHO'S LAUGHING AT HER DEATH? WHERE DID I SAY A DAM THING ABOUT HER DEATH, MUCH LESS LAUGH AFTER HER? DUNCE-BAT GYAL... 
SO GO FOLD UP INA CORNER AND STFU WITH YOUR NONSENSE...
YOU'RE STARTING TO BORE ME NOW...
Oh now we know that's not gonnna happen...
Ooooooh! So that's her problem 
true a Black Man (probably one on har block) f*ck har and lef har and nuh even look much less fart pon har again, lol, so now she bitta like cerasee....lol
Better for you if I don't response to this... that being said...
if so, poor him.... 
ah dat mi waa know too 
and if ah more than one forum 
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