It is not even worth arguing this anymore. ……. Continue picture spamming Albino Dravidians. This is science
Modern Europeans are a sub-set of modern Africans. incredulously as it may seem. Modern Europeans are a subset of Africans, Australians and other Asians are a sub-set of older Africans.
As shown by the recent paper on Bantus. It seems like the Luyha played a key role in the dispersal of all Eurasians. Yes, Swenet…my Luhya. Keep in mind the Luyha is the “closest” and not the best represented population in the HAPMAP database. The best representation may not been indentified as yet.
Pay up!!!!
Quote: Early modern human dispersal from Africa: genomic evidence for multiple waves of migration – 2015 Francesca Tassi and Guido Barbujani
Background: Anthropological and genetic data agree in indicating the African continent as the main place of origin for anatomically modern humans. However, it is unclear whether early modern humans left Africa through a single, major process, dispersing simultaneously over Asia and Europe, or in two main waves, first through the Arab Peninsula into southern Asia and Oceania, and later through a northern route crossing the Levant.
Results: Here, we show that accurate genomic estimates of the divergence times between European and African populations are more recent than those between Australo-Melanesia and Africa and incompatible with the effects of a single dispersal. This difference cannot possibly be accounted for by the effects of either hybridization with archaic human forms in Australo-Melanesia or back migration from Europe into Africa. Furthermore, in several populations of Asia we found evidence for relatively recent genetic admixture events, which could have obscured the signatures of the earliest processes.
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My boy Guido is rolling the dice. See thread on him on ESR
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
From that recent Busby/Santos paper on Bantus. The Luyha has almost equal proportion of AIM/clusters of East Bantus, West Bantu, Pygmy , Nilo-Saharan, “Eurasian” genetic material. There are two explanation for this. Either the Luyha is a melting pot of all population within and outside Africa. You know, Europeans, Asians, Bantus and Pygmies had a “lovefest” in the Great Lakes Region, creating the Luyha population or humanity dispersed from that region each separating/purifying into their unique population inside and outside Africa. You know what I think…and Rosenberg.
This is a no brainer.
Keep on believing in ……the other nonsense.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Results QUOTE:
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Genomic structure of Old World populations…..
Remarkably, some populations show more than 99 % contribution from the SAME ANCESTRAL POPULATION along different k values (e.g., West Africa, Europe,…. Posted by kdolo (Member # 21830) on :
Xyman,
Its not necessarily an either or situation.
Yes Europeans are a subset of Africans, but Europeans are also mixed with waves of people who came from the East.
Those people from the East would have been the Albino type....although as you have demonstrated, Euros were already depigmenting on the way to Europe.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Dr Winters may find this quote interesting. There is growing evidence that there seems that there may be a strong population link between African and peoples across the Indian Ocean NOT involving the Arabians Peninsular and the proposed Southern Route. It is if a land mass/masses existed IN the Indian Ocean connecting South Asia Islands. Remember that one paper suggested the mtDNA M in south Asian Islands are MORE related to African M than Indian M. many TreeMix studies have shown Cambodians carry distinct African component. I see us rethink what we were thought in the last 40years. It was all BS by neurotic Europeans..
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set of divergence times from East Africa, from 66K to 107K years ago (Table 1). This result is CONSISTENT with both a CONTINUOUS MIGRATION process FROM Africa ACROSS some 40K years (WHICH SO FAR HAS NEVER BEEN PROPOSED, to the best of our knowledge) and an early exit, followed by genetic exchanges with later-dispersing groups, which has diluted or erased altogether the genetic evidence of the earliest migration.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
We all know it is Albinism but we don’t need to rub their faces in it. Sic That is the hand they were dealt. But they are not Asians but Asian Dravidian Albinos sounds funny.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Continuing …even the progressive Europeans are hiding stuff.
So Europeans had a longer co-existence with Neanderthal but they carry less “ancestry” lol! I never thought of that. Good going Guido! Now they are desperate to “explain” Neanderthal ancestry in Africans.
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Removal of the SNPs identified as a potential Denisovan contribution to the modern genomes caused no substantial change in the results, and the analysis of f3 statistics did not show any detectable impact of back migration to Africa upon the SET OF MARKERS WE CONSIDERED. To exclude the possibility that a higher level of African ancestry in the European samples we considered (perhaps due to back migration into Africa from Southern Europe) is responsible for the observed pattern, we ran additional comparisons of divergence time distributions between sub-Saharan Africans and Europeans with different geographic origins. To do this, we analyzed Basque and English populations from the POPRES dataset [70] and the Finns from the 1000 Genomes Project [71]. The divergence times estimated for these populations are very close to those previously estimated for Europeans (DATA NOT SHOWN); therefore, it does not seem that the presumably higher level of African admixture in southern than Northern Europeans may possibly account for our results. These findings show that our estimates reflect to a minimal extent, if any, the effects of potentially confounding factors related with interbreeding with Denisovans [60] or gene flow with other modern humans, after the African expansions
Quite to the contrary, here, the Europeans appeared significantly closer to Africans than Australo-Melanesians, a result which therefore cannot be due to that kind of ascertainment bias. Moreover, our FST estimates are comparable with those obtained by the last survey of the 1000 Genomes Project; when rare variants are excluded (MAF > 0.05).
The estimated contribution of Neandertals is less in the European than in the Asian/Melanesian genomes, despite the long coexistence between Neandertals and Europeans [82]. At present, the standard way to explain this finding is to assume one single, major episode of hybridization in Palestine (or perhaps further north and east [83]) 47K to 6
Thus, this study raises the possibility that the current patterns of human diversity need more complex models to be fully explained. One possibility is that admixture with Neandertals might have occurred BEFORE AMH left Africa [86]. Another is that common ancestry, rather than hybridization, may account for the excess similarity of Eurasians with Neandertals, in the presence of an ancient structuring of populations [74, 87]. A third possibility is that the apparent traces of Neandertal hybridization in Papua New Guinea may in fact be due to Denisovan admixture. We are not in a position to actually test for these possibilities, but exploring these hypotheses may contribute to a better understanding of the main human dispersal processes and of the relationships between archaic and modern human forms..
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But within their lies the truth comes out.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
For the record. European women carry the lineage hg-H and many other African lineage. The lineage entered Europe from Africa in the early Neolithic. Dravidian do NOT carry the lineage. European women are a subset of Africans.
The Euronuts have given up on the females. They lost that battle. Now they are trying to put their male line(R1b) originating in the Asian Steppes. That is their new ploy. They have thrown their women to the Africans. The women are on their own. Lol! The men are from the Steppes….not!. Sorry. As Busby has shown R1b found in Eastern Eurasian is NOT related to Western European males. In other words he concluded based upon data that there is no longitudinal cline. He stated there is no latitudinal cline but never showed the data. You do know why? He is lying. Any place else BUT Africa, lol! They are in for a shocking eye opener. More to come. This is a done deal.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: For the record. European women carry the lineage hg-H and many other African lineage. The lineage entered Europe from Africa in the early Neolithic. Dravidian do NOT carry the lineage. European women are a subset of Africans.
The Euronuts have given up on the females. They lost that battle. Now they are trying to put their male line(R1b) originating in the Asian Steppes. That is their new ploy. They have thrown their women to the Africans. The women are on their own. Lol! The men are from the Steppes….not!. Sorry. As Busby has shown R1b found in Eastern Eurasian is NOT related to Western European males. In other words he concluded based upon data that there is no longitudinal cline. He stated there is no latitudinal cline but never showed the data. You do know why? He is lying. Any place else BUT Africa, lol! They are in for a shocking eye opener. More to come. This is a done deal.
xyman, my theory has to be right then. The only explanation for R1b in Western Europe and for the African linage of many White Europeans has to be this:
Europe was first settled by blacks, the blacks had their own albino versions of themselves and their own albino colonies just like in Africa or India.
Europe was the perfect climate for albino's to breed in masse and not suffer from the climate. So there were large populations of them.
The european Africans oppressed and brutalized the European black albino's, and they were forced to go live in caves.
The steppe Dravidian albino's came in, overwhelmed Europe's black population, and launched several wars to get rid of Europe's black populations.
The Steppe Eurasian albino's bred with the native Black European albino's resulting in modern White europeans today with all their African DNA, but yet they still look lily white.
They did not mix with the native Black Europeans of Europe. Hence the whiteness of many R1b carriers and many whites with African DNA.
What do you think?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Mike. Can you take care of this……?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
As a follow up. Aside from Busby’s argument about no longitudinal cline for R1b. Why I am so convinced. It is simple. R1b has high frequency in Western Europe, the paragroup or sibling, R1a, has high frequency in Eastern Europe. Obviously the geographical central point(parental haplogroup) is either in Central Europe or….South, maybe Sahara Africa. Since nothing came from the North. Recent evidence has shown that the sibling to macro-haplogroup R, is found in Italy, and even more recently …..the Berbers of Africa carry yDNA haplogroup Q!!!!!! I almost fell out my chair when I saw that study. Anyone with any knowledge of the male haploTree will understand the huge significance of Q being discovered in Africans.
This is a done deal. They can spin it every which way….Europeans are primarily depigmented Africans. Astonishingly the OOA populations that “look” more Africans(Melenesians etc) are furthest genetically from Africans. Who would of thought!
Posted by Child Of The KING (Member # 9422) on :
As usual, Xyyman Brings The Heat Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
fist thump!
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
X: " The Luyha has almost equal proportion of AIM/clusters of East Bantus, West Bantu, Pygmy , Nilo-Saharan, “Eurasian” genetic material. There are two explanation for this. Either the Luyha is a melting pot of all population within and outside Africa. You know, Europeans, Asians, Bantus and Pygmies had a “lovefest” in the Great Lakes Region, creating the Luyha population or humanity dispersed from that region each separating/purifying into their unique population inside and outside Africa."
Just by analyzing the word Luhya, I see it as East African Rift & Nile Valleys, Nubia-Luba-Lupa, Llubjana (Slovenia), Danube R., Biblical EdEn (4 rivers), also links to Arabic (bean and heart) and Lebanon (Libani valley), and to the English word alluvial.
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X: " Astonishingly the OOA populations that “look” more Africans(Melenesians etc) are furthest genetically from Africans. Who would of thought!"
I did. I've been trying to tell others. Pygmies were the founding populations. Those that went to (cold/dry/windy) areas disparate from the tropical rainforest changed the most morphologically, but the least genetically.
X is right here, but wrong on the Bantu Expansion, since their own oral histories say that Pygmies resided around Lake Malawi before Bantus came.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
xyyman - We are all really happy that you have mastered this, but it is obvious that the rest of us are just too slow to understand it.
So it's probably best if you hold court on ESR where you have the time to bring people up to date.
As an example of how backward I am, I'm reading this Genetic Distance Map from The History and Geography of Human Genes by Cavalli-Sforza.
And I'm thinking that it shows that the nearest people to Europeans are Iranians and the Indians and Dravidians of India, with no Africans even close.
Silly me, I'm thinking that's just further proof that Europeans are Dravidian Albinos.
Clearly you need to go back to ESR and find a way to straighten me out - thanks.
Btw - take DD'eDeN with you, I'm sure he'll be a big help.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Mike. Can you take care of this……?
Xyman, why is my theory so hard to accept?
I'm using climatology, fossil evidence, genetics, recorded history, and clues to come to my theory. Many will not agree with me that's fine, but at least argue and analyze this theory because I've thought a lot about it.
I would appreciate you guys feedback....
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: xyyman - We are all really happy that you have mastered this, but it is obvious that the rest of us are just too slow to understand it.
So it's probably best if you hold court on ESR where you have the time to bring people up to date.
As an example of how backward I am, I'm reading this Genetic Distance Map from The History and Geography of Human Genes by Cavalli-Sforza.
And I'm thinking that it shows that the nearest people to Europeans are Iranians and the Indians and Dravidians of India, with no Africans even close.
Silly me, I'm thinking that's just further proof that Europeans are Dravidian Albinos.
Clearly you need to go back to ESR and find a way to straighten me out - thanks.
Btw - take DD'eDeN with you, I'm sure he'll be a big help.
Mike I see you're being sarcastic here but we get the drift.
xyyman has saying that Europeans are depigmented Africans for a long time now and he even has said that they came from Africa udner 5,000 years ago.
But you say he's wrong and use the above chart showing how the Europeans are not at a close distance to the Africans, they are relatively far away.
O.k. fine
The Berber position is also interesting. xyyman says those are Africans and we can see they are quite a bit closer to the Europeans but still not all that close.
If you look at the Europeans they are in close proximity to the Iranians as you said and somewhat close to the Near Easterners
So why is it that you don't have a theory that Europeans are say "albinos Near Easterners" The Near East is much closer to Europe than India and there are many phenotypes there, surely there must be a dark skinned ancient narrow featured Near Easters and Euroepans coul be the "albinos" of them
Also notable that the Europeans are pretty far away form the Turkic peoples, Mike what about that? That's Central Asia, what gives? Or why don't you say the modern Greeks are the albinos of the old Greeks and the albino Greeks moved into the rest of Europe? Or why don't you say Europeans are albino Iranians? See, maybe Mindovermatter does have a point. You just pick a group of particular albinos because there happens to be nice photos available of them. Yet there is no historical record of a mass of Indian people moving into Europe ( with the exception of Gypsies perhaps, a minority population)
O.k. well what about the Indians/Dravidian position on the chart ??
Yes they are somewhat close to the European/Iranian cluster
But the problem is that they are not close enough to say the Europeans are them. So your theory is not that tight. They are about the same distance away from the Europeans as are the Near Easterners so it's a no brainer if you are to apply this albino theory that the Near Easterners are closer to Europe and are better candidates than some Dravidians doubling back. And the ancient Near East had plenty of phenotypes to choose from.
Anyway another interesting thing is the proximity on this chart of Africans to North and South American Indians.
You are using this chart to show how far apart Europeans are from Africans and the North and South Americans are similalry distant from Africans.
So maybe why you are not ackowledging Mindovermatters theory is that it is a problem for you
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
Mike there is no need to be hostile, we are trying to get to the truth after all, so we must all collaborate anyway.
Remember, IRAN was invaded by the ARABS, and the Arabs ruled parts of Iran for quite some time, as did also the original blacks of the area.
There is a high probability that the Arabs carried haplo R1b into Iran increasing their genetic proximity to Europe as a result.
Now if you take into account my theory, about White Europeans being the combination albino's of Black European albino's and Indian Dravidian albino's from Central Asia, then it makes sense why Europeans are neither that close to Indians or Iranians but still close enough.
The point being is that Europeans are a hybrid albino population of the albino population of African albino's in Europe AND the Dravidian albino's who came from India. Thus you have a half-way mixture between R1b and R1a, hence WHY EUROPEANS ARE IN-BETWEEN IRANIANS AND INDIANS!
If you look at the genetic chart, ALL WHITE EUROPEANS ARE THE RESULT OF THE MELDING OF HAPLOGROUPS R1a AND R1b! THIS IS A FACT IF YOU LOOK AT THE EUROPEAN GENETIC CHART!
So how could White Europeans be so white even with apparent african genes?
Well then you have my theory to explain that namely:
quote: he only explanation for R1b in Western Europe and for the African linage of many White Europeans has to be this:
Europe was first settled by blacks, the blacks had their own albino versions of themselves and their own albino colonies just like in Africa or India.
Europe was the perfect climate for albino's to breed in masse and not suffer from the climate. So there were large populations of them.
The european Africans oppressed and brutalized the European black albino's, and they were forced to go live in caves.
The steppe Dravidian albino's came in, overwhelmed Europe's black population, and launched several wars to get rid of Europe's black populations.
The Steppe Eurasian albino's bred with the native Black European albino's resulting in modern White europeans today with all their African DNA, but yet they still look lily white.
They did not mix with the native Black Europeans of Europe. Hence the whiteness of many R1b carriers and many whites with African DNA.
Hence why modern White Europeans are so white today despite sprinkling of African genes.
HOWEVER MANY IRANIANS ARE NOT SO WHITE TODAY, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THE MIXTURE OF ALBINO BLACK R1B CARRIERS AND ALBINO DRAVIDIAN CARRIERS, INSTEAD IRANIANS ARE HALF-ALBINO AND HALF-NON ALBINO HENCE HOW YOU HAVE MODERN OFF-WHITE BROWN IRANIANS TODAY!
Lioness doesn't my theory sort of make sense even though you don't agree with my position?
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^He,he,he,he:
Virgin ground for Albino misdirection and muddlement by Red Herrings isn't it lioness?
I don't even know what a North Turk is (N. Turkic), nor do I know what a South Chinese is (S. China) who is closer to Solomon Islanders.
These are definitions created by the author, which I have no interest in pursuing. xyyman kept harping on this distance nonsense, so I had no choice but to use it.
So hate to disappoint you, but that was brought out exclusively for xyyman, hopefully he has gotten the message, now it's back to oblivion for this nonsense.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Mindovermatter - I have not responded to you because it would take too long to explain.
Firstly - stop falling for FAKE Albino terminology!
What is an Iranian????????
Well, the word didn't exist until In 1935 the Iranian government requested those countries with which it had diplomatic relations, to call Persia "Iran" (land of the Arians/Aryans). The suggestion for the change is said to have come from the Iranian ambassador to Germany, who came under the influence of the Nazis. At the time Germany was in the grip of racial fever and cultivated good relations with nations of "Arian/Aryan" blood. It is said that some German friends of the ambassador persuaded him that, as with the advent of Reza Shah, Persia had turned a new leaf in its history. It was only fitting that the country be called "Iran." This would not only signal a new beginning, and bring home to the world, the new era in history, but would also signify the NOW Arian race of its population, as "Iran" is a cognate of "Arian" and derived from it.
But the original people were the Black Elamites. The next people were the Black Persians. Next to rule were the idiot Black Arabs, who were quickly usurped by the Albino tribes of the Persian Empire.
THAT IS WHO THE ALBINOS CALL IRANIANS!!!!
This is what the Albinos of the Persian Empire looked like:
Sorry Mindovermatter, you have to get the history down pat, before you can start theorizing about population movements and mixtures.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
context and reference.....
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: xyyman - We are all really happy that you have mastered this, but it is obvious that the rest of us are just too slow to understand it.
So it's probably best if you hold court on ESR where you have the time to bring people up to date.
As an example of how backward I am, I'm reading this Genetic Distance Map from The History and Geography of Human Genes by Cavalli-Sforza.
And I'm thinking that it shows that the nearest people to Europeans are Iranians and the Indians and Dravidians of India, with no Africans even close.
Silly me, I'm thinking that's just further proof that Europeans are Dravidian Albinos.
Clearly you need to go back to ESR and find a way to straighten me out - thanks.
Btw - take DD'eDeN with you, I'm sure he'll be a big help.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
@ Mike. Nevertheless. Excellent research and information on Iran. Never knew the Nazi had a part to play in naming Persia, Iran.
But on the other hand come into the 21st century. Sforza is outdated. IIRC he used essentially blood proteins to draw his conclusions. Always understand the context and the methodology. That is where the games are played.
There is no getting around haplogroups and haplotypes. They have been transferred from father to son and mothers to daughter and sons since the beginning of time. They can’t fake that. They cannot change that. Supplement that with AIM/GWAS and they cannot fool you.
Get on board …bro
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
The History and Geography of Human Genes by Cavalli-Sforza is from 1994. If you have something more recent - post it.
Mike. I know you are smarter than appearance. I just posted something MORE recent...2015. OP. I have been posting recent stuff over the last couple of years.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
4Ws never fails,
When- how old. Is it dated . Who -author and his bias or political views What - what is the premise, what are they trying to prove, anything more recent out there. Where - where did they sample. Did they sample the relevant populations
It is very simple . ...
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Mike. I know you are smarter than appearance. I just posted something MORE recent...2015. OP. I have been posting recent stuff over the last couple of years.
SHOW THE GRAPH!!!!
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Mike. I know you are smarter than appearance. I just posted something MORE recent...2015. OP. I have been posting recent stuff over the last couple of years.
SHOW THE GRAPH!!!!
Other genetic distance charts similar to the above Cavalli-Sforza below (but in different formats)
Proper reading of the abovechart: measure the distance from one name to another. The colored line and the black included together on the path (note this chart does not indicate origin only distance from one to the other)
Proper reading of the lower chart, measure from one name to another following the line path, vertical movement is measured. Horizontal movement is not counted
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Doxie darling, as the charts clearly show, Indians and Europeans are like two peas in a pod, the two are alone by themselves in the human family.
Clearly you Europeans are indeed Dravidian Albinos.
Please call me "Uncle Mike" from now on:
And say it with love.
Uncle Mike.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: [QB] ^Doxie darling, as the charts clearly show, Indians and Europeans are like two peas in a pod, the two are alone by themselves in the human family.
Europeans are no more similar to East Indians then they are to Middle Eastern people, as shown
As I stated Indians have high frequencies of mtDNA Haplogroup M, Europeans do not.
Clyde would argue the overlap in the rest of their DNA is due to an invasion or migration of foreign people North of India into India which was already populated to an extent and now since they have been there a long time and mixed in, are regarded as Indian
Again the DNA makeup of people is not only determined by paternal DNA the other half os maternal mtDNA, so your theory doesn't work, although there is some overlap.
Again the situation is similar with Near Easterners and Europeans but you have blinders to that, for politcally biased reasons
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^You stupid degenerate:
you produce material that proves one thing, then you disavow it and claim something else.
Ass-hole - if you didn't understand the chart, you shouldn't have posted it!
Idiot!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
Doxie dear, your loving Uncle Mike awaits your reply.
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Continuing…this paper is the latest which concludes there were at least TWO major migration OOA. Of course the famous Lazaridis paper is the most popular paper one. With 3 ancestral populations to Europeans. The African Neolithics being the latest bringing in “white skin”. Other studies concluded there were later migrations notably during the Bronze age.
But I am convinced even the Medieval Age the current population structure of Europeans was still in transition.
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
Mike111: "Btw - take DD'eDeN with you, I'm sure he'll be a big help."
haha. Check this out: Ever ski down mogels?
mogel(Bavarian) little mound (= dome)
bogel(Malay) naked (under the shield/shelld.ome)
magal(Basque) = mogen(Hebrew) = pacal(Maya) = machan(Malay) = sky-round-shield all derived from
Monguolu(Mbuti) from mbuangualua...mom's mounds.
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That map/chart you posted is great, it shows Malay is closer to Pygmies and KhoiSan than (Open-Sky) Berbers, Papuans and Australians.
apa(Mbuti) fire ape(Ainu) fire api(Malay) fire aphyre(OEnglish) fire ~ pyre/spire/inspire buni(Austral) fire piloa(Aztec) pyre
Note that the Mbuti are southern Pygmies, while the Efe are northern Pygmies. The agro-villager Lese are neighbors to the Efe, significantly the Lese grow Asian Yams and bananas (from Malaysia/Papua) that the Efe prefer since the Congo rainforest yams are more bitter and must be well prepared.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
My dear neice Doxie: Please stop ignoring me: there is no longer any reason for you to consider me your enemy. Everything that I told you has been proven true by your very own Albino scientists. Now I ask you to call me Uncle instead of Father or Brother, because you belong to the line of my Caucasian featured Black Dravidian Brothers. Not to my line of Negroid featured Blacks. So please, take your place in our family, at last now you know where you truly belong.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
As to you Chinese and other Mongloid people out there: As clearly shown by the Himba and San: you ARE the Albino/Mulatto children of the Negroid family of Blacks. You may call me Father or Brother!
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Mike, idiot, do you see the Himba or San with this hair ???:
Mike fail # 83
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^ALBINISM CAN CAUSE "STRAIGHTENING" OF THE HAIR!!!
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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^ALBINISM CAN CAUSE "STRAIGHTENING" OF THE HAIR!!!
The baby is not albino you donkey
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Damn you're stupid!
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
No you're stupid
The baby is not albino you donkey
LOL at this fool, he posts a Himba woman and some Khosians, when that fails he posts the Nigerians, the charlatan is scrambling like a roach when the light is turned on
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Mindovermatter - I have not responded to you because it would take too long to explain.
Firstly - stop falling for FAKE Albino terminology!
What is an Iranian????????
Well, the word didn't exist until In 1935 the Iranian government requested those countries with which it had diplomatic relations, to call Persia "Iran" (land of the Arians/Aryans). The suggestion for the change is said to have come from the Iranian ambassador to Germany, who came under the influence of the Nazis. At the time Germany was in the grip of racial fever and cultivated good relations with nations of "Arian/Aryan" blood. It is said that some German friends of the ambassador persuaded him that, as with the advent of Reza Shah, Persia had turned a new leaf in its history. It was only fitting that the country be called "Iran." This would not only signal a new beginning, and bring home to the world, the new era in history, but would also signify the NOW Arian race of its population, as "Iran" is a cognate of "Arian" and derived from it.
But the original people were the Black Elamites. The next people were the Black Persians. Next to rule were the idiot Black Arabs, who were quickly usurped by the Albino tribes of the Persian Empire.
THAT IS WHO THE ALBINOS CALL IRANIANS!!!!
This is what the Albinos of the Persian Empire looked like:
Sorry Mindovermatter, you have to get the history down pat, before you can start theorizing about population movements and mixtures.
Mike, thank you for finally responding to me! I appreciate if you would give me more feedback and critique me more in a friendly and analytical way instead of mostly remaining silent.
When I refer to Iran, I refer to the geographical regions and area and not the specific country itself. I understand that Iran itself is very diverse, you got albino types like this:
but most of the population looks like this:
Basically a highly mixed bunch of people, and yes I do believe that they are mixed with black skinned people. However when I state my theory, I mean in terms of genetics.
You, clyde, namerthoth, all agreed that in the past that Africa had numbers of albino colonies hence the leprosy thing in the bible in the past.
So my claim is that there has to have been more of these albino colonies of the BLACK EUROPEAN's who principally carried haplogroup R1b, because of the CLIMATE and geographical location of Europe. Europe is a favorable place for albino's as you can tell from the number of White people there TODAY!
When you look at the genetics of Iranians, various numbers of them chart close to Europeans as close to them as Indians if not closer. However INDIANS have higher % of R1a THEN IRANIANS! Iranians SEEMS TO HAVE HIGHER % of R1b THEN INDIANS. Iranians seem to be a half-way population between Indians and Europeans. which makes sense if you consider the location of Iran as a meeting point/cross-roads between Central/South/West Asia.
However WHAT doesn't make sense is why Europeans are closer to Iranians then Indians despite as high a % of R1a as Indians and higher then IRANIANS!
Haplogroup R1b is also a very predominant genetic marker in WESTERN EUROPE, yet Europeans look nothing like Iranians and are somewhat genetically apart from Iranians but are truly albino in how many albino's there are there.
Europe seems to be half-way divided between Haplogroup R1a and R1b:
However ALL EUROPEANS AT LEAST HAVE BOTH R1A and R1B!And all Europeans have genes that are NON-EXISTENT BETWEEN THEM!:
Excluding Southern Europe, Western Europeans despite carrying haplogroup R1b an african gene and OTHER african genes, look NOTHING LIKE IRANIANS when it comes to darkness and swarthiness. And Europeans ARE HALFWAY between Indians, Iranians, and Near Easterners on genetic charts like the one you posted.
In that case, Europeans should be as dark as Iranians too, which it sort of applies to Southern Europe but not elsewhere there. Given the genetic evidence OFFERED of OBVIOUS mixing and inter-change of African and Eurasian genes IN EUROPE, ALL OVER EUROPE!
But yet Europeans are supposedly still the whitest people on Earth despite everything that I've described above. But what is obvious is that EUROPEANS ARE A MIDWAY population between Dravidians and Near-easterners AND AFRICANS which is further explained by the R1b and R1a division in Europe.
So MY THEORY is that the reason why Europe is so lily albino today and why the darkies are mainly held and concentrated in the south with high sunlight there, is because of obvious albino mixing.
Since there were albino populations of BLACK EUROPEANS in Europe, which is a highly likely chance given EUROPE'S CLIMATE AND MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN AND CAVE SYSTEMS, and probably LARGER NUMBERS OF THEM THAN IN AFRICA!
That means that the present and primary carriers of the haplogroup R1b IN EUROPE, are the DESCENDANTS OF THESE ALBINO BLACK EUROPEANS WHO EXISTED IN EUROPE IN THE PAST!
However when you look at the genetic chart, you see that ALL EUROPEANS AT LEAST have BOTH haplogroups R1a and R1b! EASTERN EUROPE seems to be a gigantic island of R1a but yet THERE IS NO EQUIVALENT HIGH PERCENTAGE OF R1a IN IRAN OR IN CENTRAL ASIA! THAT EQUIVALENT PERCENTAGE IS ONLY FOUND IN SOUTH ASIA IN COUNTRIES LIKE INDIA!
This puzzles and muddles up things more, so there HAS TO BE A THEORY that explains why this is and that there is NO straight cline of equivalent percentages of R1a and R1b in the areas surrounding and LEADING TO Europe. And why Europe is SO WHITE TODAY DESPITE CARRYING GENES FOUND IN BOTH IRAN AND INDIA AND NOT BEING AS DARK AS THEM DESPITE CONTAINING AND MIXING BOTH NEAR EASTERN AND SOUTH ASIAN HAPLOGROUPS!
Take notice that whenever you find albino white EUROPID populations OUTSIDE OF EUROPE, YOU ALWAYS FIND THEM IN MOUNTAINOUS REGIONS OR COLD WINTER REGIONS! There is a reason for that! In these regions, the temperatures are COOLER and COLDER, and there LESS HEAT AND LESS SUNLIGHT, ENOUGH THAT A PERSON WITH ALBINISM CAN TOLERATE!
We saw this with the Kalash and Nuristani who are OBVIOUS ALBINO'S! The Kalash and Nuristani are an EXTREMELY INBRED GROUP WHO ARE ANCIENT AND HAVE ANCIENT GENES FROM SIBERIA AND SOUTH ASIA BUT NOT FROM EUROPE AND THEY ARE DISTANT FROM EUROPEANS GENETICALLY!
The same applies to the YEZIDI PEOPLE, WHO ARE ALSO FROM INDIA/SOUTH ASIA, AND ARE ALBINO, AND ARE EXTREMELY INBRED RESULTING IN LIGHT HAIRED AND LIGHT EYED PEOPLE WITH BLOND/RED/BROWN HAIR AND LIGHT EYES! THE YEZIDI TOO LIVE IN MOUNTAIN/ELEVATED DIFFICULT TO ACCESS REGIONS JUST LIKE THE KALASH AND NURISTANI PEOPLE! THEY TOO ARE DISTANT ENOUGH FROM WHITE EUROPEANS TO BE THEIR OWN GROUP! So Europe, with all kinds of mountainous terrains and forests that existed in early European history along with cool and cold/temperate climates is PERFECT FOR ALBINO POPULATIONS TO BREED AND REMAIN ISOLATED ALONG WITH THE CAVE SYSTEMS THAT COULD AID IN THAT!
It's perfect for isolated inbred albino groups like the Kalash, Yezidi, Nuristani etc to breed and multiply given Europe's GEOGRAPHICAL CHARACTERISTICS! Now think about how large Africa is and how genetically distant one black tribe is to a fellow black tribe in a neighboring village! A fellow African tribe is more distant to another African tribes miles away then a European is to a chinaman! Now think about how large Africa is and how many DNA tribes have been untested there: http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/true-size-of-africa.jpg
So the chances of Black Europeans carrying the R1b types found in Western Europe is very high given they would just be one individual tribe of Black Africans who settled there! There would have been higher populations of Black European ALBINO'S because the climate and environment of Europe very supportive to the breeding of albino's! Notice that SOUTH AFRICA was settled primarily by Europeans and became an early European settlement stronghold BECAUSE THE CLIMATE, AND TEMPERATURES MATCHED THE NEEDS AND REQUIREMENTS OF WHITE EUROPEANS! SOUTH AFRICA WAS CHOSEN FOR EUROPEAN SETTLEMENT BECAUSE IT HAD A NEARLY IDENTICAL CLIMATE TO THAT OF EUROPE! Thus you have a large population of albino Europeans in South Africa when it was first settled!
So with all this in mind, there HAS TO HAVE BEEN HIGHER populations OF ALBINO'S BLACK EUROPEAN R1b carriers, IN EUROPE, IN EARLY EUROPEAN HISTORY, that EXPLAINS THE HIGH % of R1b IN EUROPE! AS LARGE AS THAT FOUND IN AFRICA! EUROPE IN TERMS OF GENETICS SEEMS TO BE AN ISLAND ONTO ITSELF! Europe itself has MANY mountain ranges, cave systems, cool weather, low temperature regions; now with this in mind, look at these links illustrating the behavior of these albino's in South America and Asia: http://nypost.com/2015/06/11/for-panamas-island-albinos-the-sun-is-a-mother-a-curse/
quote: Because of their SENSITIVE SKIN, young Guna albinos must be shuttled to and from school, avoiding the baking heat, while they watch their friends play in the streets.
VIOLENT PAST
Albinos were not always treated well by their fellow Guna.
After Spain colonized the region, until the end of the 19th century, the Guna slaughtered their albinos in the misguided belief they were related to their European rulers, saidLOCAL albino spiritual leader Maximiliano Ferrer.
Taliban threat closes in on isolated Kalash tribe | World ... www.theguardian.com
quote:For a decade the Kalash, a mountain tribe nestled in a stunning valley deep in the Hindu Kush, managed to avoid the Taliban scourge ravaging the rest of north ...
or a decade the Kalash, a MOUNTAIN tribe nestled in a stunning valley deep in the Hindu Kush, managed to AVOID the Taliban scourge ravaging the rest of north-western Pakistan. Visitors streamed into the valley to experience a unique non-Muslim culture in which the women eschew veils, the men make wine, and everyone worships a complex array of gods. Pictures of Kalash women adorned in an explosion of colourful beads became an icon of Pakistan's (admittedly struggling) tourist industry, and a hint at the country's tolerant vision of itself.
Clearly as we can see from these albino groups, THEY have to either reside in mountain habitats where the climate and temperatures are formidable, and THEY ARE ISOLATED or they have to have OTHER people take CARE OF THEM in order to survive in NORMAL ENVIRONMENTS! Now White Europeans don't nearly suffer from nearly as much problems as with people with extreme albinism which SIGNIFIES ADMIXTURE WITH NORMAL HUMANS! There are MANY mountain ranges and forests in early European history, such that the chances of albino tribes of R1b Black European settlers is extremely high given that these particular tribes of albino R1b black Europeans could REMAIN ISOLATED in CAVES/MOUNTAINS/FORESTS IN EUROPE, could find regions where temperatures are FAVORABLE TO THEM IN EUROPE, Could MULTIPLY and BREED with EACH OTHER AND TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT IN EUROPE, WHERE THE CLIMATE AND GEOGRAPHY IS FAVORABLE TO THEM AND TO CREATE ISOLATED ALBINO TRIBES! THEY COULD RESIDE IN MOUNTAINS AND CAVE SYSTEMS SO THAT THEY COULD AVOID BEING PERSECUTED BY NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS IN THE MOUNTAIN AND CAVE SYSTEMS OF EUROPE AND STILL SURVIVE WITH FAMILIES! So you have a high probability chance of there being MANY ALBINO BLACK EUROPEAN TRIBES IN EUROPE, WHO CARRIED HAPLOGROUP R1b AND MANAGED TO SURVIVE AND REPRODUCE, GIVEN THESE CHARACTERISTICS OF EUROPE!
However the R1a Eurasian Indian Albino horse nomads came in and were the primary carriers of R1a into EUROPE, aka the Kurgan/battle-axe/corded ware people.group. The Eurasian Indian Albino's practiced a WARLIKE culture as evidenced by weapons and axes that they had carried. They domesticated the horse, they amassed a large population of themselves in the area of Sibera, Central Asia and Russia; eventually population pressures and competition forced them to head towards Europe, South Asia, the Middle East, North Africa and Western China! There is documented evidence of these people trying to invade China in the past and trying take over it's northern provinces like the Avars, Tocharians, Scythians, Yeuzhi, Turks etc etc etc. They took drugs and venerated the cow because of the value it had on the steppes of Eurasia!
Now take a look at the size of Siberia, Central Asia and Russia, the origin place of many so called INDO-EUROPEAN TRIBES: http://i.imgur.com/YjZK8ui.jpg?1
Now think about that for a second! You have entire towns in the U.S that are isolated, you have ENTIRE movies made in the U.S about isolated towns in the U.S with scary people that the rest of the world knows nothing about! You have isolated towns in the U.S that have completely different or unique social dynamics then the rest of the United states! Now look at the gigantic territory illustrated here in the above links! This is a region that could fit all of Europe and SEVERAL AMERICA's into it's landmass and area size! So IT MAKE SENSE, that the R1a Dravidian albino's and horse nomads, and many OTHER INDO-EUROPEAN TRIBES, like the Goths, Scythians, Avars, Alans, Cimmerians, Aryans, Germanics, the pot-pourri of basically all white Indo-European tribes had ORIGINS IN THIS HUGE GIGANTIC REGION! It makes sense that the Dravidian albino's of India, who carried haplogroup R1a, would go here and a-mass a large population of themselves in this vast region, given that it's HUGE AND FLAT, perfect for HORSES, HAS TEMPERATE TO COLD TEMPERATURES, AND ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SUNLIGHT FOR PEOPLE WITH ALBINISM! The vastness of the region MEANS THAT YOU HAVE SPACE TO REMAIN ISOLATED AND BREED A LARGE POPULATION OF DRAVIDIAN ALBINO'S!
The harshness of the steppe environment of this vast region bred a very warlike and combative people that would give birth to many of the warlike tribes of white origin, like the Scythians, Goths, Alans, Avars etc etc in antiquity as described BY HERODOTUS/Ancient Greeks! This harshness and warlike nature of the people of the steppe environment would be replicated by THE MONGOLS AND THE HUNS! THEY SIMPLY FOLLOWED IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE WHITE TRIBES OF CENTRAL ASIA BEFORE THEM! Thus it makes sense that this vast region would breed a people called the CORDED-WARE/BATTLE-AXE PEOPLE, BECAUSE THE BATTLE-AXE SIGNIFIES THE WARLIKE NATURE OF THE R1a DRAVIDIAN ALBINO'S WHO CAME IN FROM THE STEPPES OF CENTRAL ASIA!
However later on, the albino's of the CENTRAL ASIAN STEPPES WOULD COME AND BE FORCED TO COME TO EUROPE, IN MEXICAN-LIKE IMMIGRATION PATTERNS AND WAVE-LIKE MIGRATIONS DUE TO COMPETITION WITH THE MONGOLOIDS IN EURASIA AND THE GENERAL ENVIRONMENT! THEY WOULD DEMOGRAPHICALLY SWAMP EUROPE'S BLACK EUROPEAN POPULATIONS! THIS DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFT FROM BLACK TO WHITE IN EUROPE RESULTS IN MULTIPLE WARS AND CONFLICT IN EUROPE WHERE BLACK EUROPEANS WERE KILLED OR SENT INTO THE NEW WORLD!
However, the R1a Dravidian albino's DID NOT DISTINGUISH THEMSELVES WITH THE ALBINO'S OF EUROPE'S ORIGINAL BLACK EUROPEAN POPULATIONS BECAUSE THEY TOO WERE ALBINO'S, LIKE THE BATTLE-AXE KURGAN PEOPLE OF CENTRAL ASIA AND THE STEPPES! THEY SAW THEM AS ALLIES AGAINST THE BLACK EUROPEANS OF ANTIQUITY! So once all the wars in Europe between the Black Europeans and their albino's AND ALSO THE ALBINO'S FROM THE CENTRAL ASIAN STEPPES HAD FINISHED, EUROPE'S POPULATION REMAINING WAS MAINLY WHITE! THE ALBINO'S OF THE CENTRAL ASIAN STEPPES HAD BRED WITH THE NATIVE BLACK EUROPEAN ALBINO'S OF EUROPE, HENCE WHY EVERY SINGLE WHITE EUROPEAN GROUP HAS R1A AND R1b! HOWEVER ALL THE BLACK EUROPEANS WERE EXTERMINATED OR SENT TO THE NEW WORLD AS SLAVES, HENCE WHY THE R1b CARRIERS OF EUROPE ARE SO WHITE TODAY AND WHY THEY ALL HAVE HAPLOGROUP R1A! THIS IS THE SAME REASON WHY EUROPE IS SO WHITE TODAY AND WHY MANY EUROPEANS ARE WHITE TODAY DESPITE CARRYING NEAR-EASTERN, AFRICAN, AND SOUTH ASIAN DRAVIDIAN GENES!
The reason why all White Europeans ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT GENES, is because they are the result of MIXTURE between THE DRAVIDIAN ALBINO'S OF CENTRAL ASIA AND THE BLACK EUROPEAN ALBINO'S! THE BLACK EUROPEAN ALBINO'S ALL HAD DIFFERENT GENES BECAUSE OF THE NATURAL GENETIC DIVERSITY OF BLACK AFRICAN PEOPLE! THUS THIS MIXTURE RESULTS IN MANY WHITE EUROPEAN GROUPS HAVING DIFFERENT GENES BUT ALSO SHARING BOTH HAPLOGROUPS OF R1a AND R1b! BECAUSE WHITE EUROPEANS AGAIN ARE THE PRODUCT OF MIXING BETWEEN BLACK EUROPEAN ALBINO'S AND DRAVIDIAN ALBINO'S FROM CENTRAL ASIA! These albino groups did not have any trouble breeding with each other BECAUSE THEY ALL SAW THEMSELVES AS WHITE! HENCE WHY WHITE EUROPEANS ARE SO WHITE AS THEY ARE TODAY AND WHY THEY CLUSTER INBETWEEN INDIANS AND IRANIANS AND MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLE WHO ARE MUCH MORE DARKER THAN THEM! It is because of the scenario that I had described above!
Now does that explain everything about Europeans on a genetic level and all the haplogroup confusion? Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
Xyman, Mike111, Lioness, etc etc etc and all others. Could you please read my entire post and critique my interpretation and my theory please?
Posted by Child Of The KING (Member # 9422) on :
Understand Something, The Violent stuff is overstated.
Remember all the Pictures That Mike shown that Shows Black Europeans and White Europeans:
There was no blood thirsty war Mind, There was lots of fornicating....Credit Mike and Ironlion for de Pictures
Read this Thread From Tha Ironlion about these kind of erotic tings.
And Remember Whites were always the Majority of Europe, Africans During the Neolithic started emigrating to europe many of them......They brought Hap E and J with them possibly others. There were Blacks There from before also, You could call those Blacks looking like The Puerto Rock People(Puerto Ricans) and Mixed Brazilians so When These Africans from Africa came to Europe.... Tings were gwaning!!! sexually, meaning Man Loves Woman, and People were coming and going as they like. Remember People Love each other...... They not into goof battybwoy(homosexual) tings BURN FIRE BURN HOMOSEXUALS!!!Repent homosexuals you can Be Saved!!!
You can see this Into How the Vikings when They Traveled to the Americas(1st Whites to Americas NOT COLUMBUS) THERE WAS NO BONES OF WAR matter of fact europeans refused to believe the Vikings traveled to Americas because There was NO VIOLENCE,
People Recognize Each Other(Hint).....
Euros think that White People are like Them, racist, heartless, demonized etc...So they denied THE VIKINGS were Inside America CHILLING WIT DA NATIVE AMERICANS cause they can't Really find violent encounters!!!WOW!!!
Another Reason is how The Vikings were massacering EUROS inside Europe...How could These Vikings Violent devil killers oops er um White People attacked and ran rough shod over all of europe and destroyed many of europes gehazi(Problem) controlled euros ooops I mean were attacking euros yet they chilled inside America, that bothers the euros. The thing though is that Vikings are WHITE PEOPLE!!! euros don't understand that!!! euros! YOU ARE NOT WHITE!, euros are an embarassement to White People! because of your homosexual! goofy!, racist! molesting! ways!!! ALL People are Born from God and are not racists, they hate evil!!!
Read Up On these Things Mindovermatter.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Mindovermatter,points to account> haplogroup R is a descendant of Haplogroup P-45
The oldest Haplogroup R DNA ever found were in the remains of a boy in Siberia dating to 24,000 years ago.
However, people are carry their mother's DNA as well as their fathers DNA. That is the other half of the picture If many Europeans have haplogroup R on their father's side, on their mother's side their most common haplogroup is haplogroup H. The second most common maternal DNA in Europeans is haplogroup U and it has an older history in Europe than does haplogroup H.
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Here's a soccer team of Iran, don't jump to conclusions based on skin tone. Admixture only explains the lesser portion of the variation in skin tone, it's mainly to to environment. Don't put the cart before the horse. There aren't these large groups of people with birth defecst who then gather toegther and migrate somewhere else for better conditions. What happens if that people go into new areas and te new environment changes their furture generations - adaptatation.
Th maternal mtDNA is mainly Hap U3
The Iranian's paternal Y-DNA is J2 24% R1a 18% and R1b about 7%
Keep in mind Iran is at parallel latitude with Southern Europe. Similarly you find darker skin tones there. Southern Europeans have a very small amount of African DNA, while the Iranians lower than that
Also keep in mind when you relax an environmental restraint the adaptation to it often becomes less pronounced. Note that Khosians are not as dark as Nigerians, they live further away from the equator so they don't need as much melanin protection.
Likewise Central and Northern Europeans live at a higher latitude than Iranians.
Gradually over thousands of years if humans have less exposure to high sunlight, less melanin is required to protect them and they will begin very very slowly over many generations to lighten. Also keep in mind in the colder regions people need clothing to survive even if crude animal skins with fur. The sun can't even penetrate those areas. Also keep in mind trees in a forest provide shade. Some Northern populations have tanned faces because they live in areas with less tree cover and while the UV is less intense people who hunt outdoors may get more exposure. The situation is complex. Some people in a Northern region could be considered indigenous and have migrated to that region 10,000 years ago. Another group in the same region could have migrated there 25,000 and also be considered indigenous, then they will be more adapted to the region because they have been there over twice as long.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Mindovermatter,points to account> haplogroup R is a descendant of Haplogroup P-45
The oldest Haplogroup R DNA ever found were in the remains of a boy in Siberia dating to 24,000 years ago.
However, people are carry their mother's DNA as well as their fathers DNA. That is the other half of the picture If many Europeans have haplogroup R on their father's side, on their mother's side their most common haplogroup is haplogroup H. The second most common maternal DNA in Europeans is haplogroup U and it has an older history in Europe than does haplogroup H.
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Here's a soccer team of Iran, don't jump to conclusions based on skin tone. Admixture only explains the lesser portion of the variation in skin tone, it's mainly to to environment. Don't put the cart before the horse. There aren't these large groups of people with birth defecst who then gather toegther and migrate somewhere else for better conditions. What happens if that people go into new areas and te new environment changes their furture generations - adaptatation.
Th maternal mtDNA is mainly Hap U3
The Iranian's paternal Y-DNA is J2 24% R1a 18% and R1b about 7%
Keep in mind Iran is at parallel latitude with Southern Europe. Similarly you find darker skin tones there. Southern Europeans have a very small amount of African DNA, while the Iranians lower than that
Also keep in mind when you relax an environmental restraint the adaptation to it often becomes less pronounced. Note that Khosians are not as dark as Nigerians, they live further away from the equator so they don't need as much melanin protection.
Likewise Central and Northern Europeans live at a higher latitude than Iranians.
Gradually over thousands of years if humans have less exposure to high sunlight, less melanin is required to protect them and they will begin very very slowly over many generations to lighten. Also keep in mind in the colder regions people need clothing to survive even if crude animal skins with fur. The sun can't even penetrate those areas. Also keep in mind trees in a forest provide shade. Some Northern populations have tanned faces because they live in areas with less tree cover and while the UV is less intense people who hunt outdoors may get more exposure. The situation is complex. Some people in a Northern region could be considered indigenous and have migrated to that region 10,000 years ago. Another group in the same region could have migrated there 25,000 and also be considered indigenous, then they will be more adapted to the region because they have been there over twice as long.
Lioness please! The whites being the result of adaptation to low sunlight environments is a big lie and has been debunked many many times already, since evidently they aren't! The people of low sunlight environments are mainly brown and dark skinned.
The White people of Europe moved into the northern regions of Europe because THEY WERE ALREADY WHITE BEFORE THEY WENT THERE! And even in these northern regions Whites still suffer from various ailments or two.
Plus all White Europeans carry genes that are candidates for albinism (SLC24A2, TYR, OCA2,TYRP1 etc) so they have to be albino's! But the question remains is, why are White Europeans so white today, despite containing African, Indian, Iranian and Middle Eastern genes? And still not being as dark as them?
White Europeans seem to be a half-way population between African, Near-Easterners, Asian-Indians, and Iranians and contain high frequencies of genes from all four groups,and yet are some of the most whitest people in the world!
Also Northern Italy has a various populations of Northern European type populations and does NORTH AFRICA and SYRIA, and the Middle East but yet they live in more southern latitudes or in similar latitudes to Southern Europe. Plus how do you explain how these people live in more southern latitudes then Southern Europe? http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=010715
So my explanation has to be one of the logical ones there is to explain why this is and why they are like they are today. It's one of few that ties things together and makes sense.
I'm using Mike's, Clyde's, Egmond Codfried's, Namerthoth's research to come to my theory.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by Child Of The KING: Understand Something, The Violent stuff is overstated.
Remember all the Pictures That Mike shown that Shows Black Europeans and White Europeans:
There was no blood thirsty war Mind, There was lots of fornicating....Credit Mike and Ironlion for de Pictures
Read this Thread From Tha Ironlion about these kind of erotic tings.
And Remember Whites were always the Majority of Europe, Africans During the Neolithic started emigrating to europe many of them......They brought Hap E and J with them possibly others. There were Blacks There from before also, You could call those Blacks looking like The Puerto Rock People(Puerto Ricans) and Mixed Brazilians so When These Africans from Africa came to Europe.... Tings were gwaning!!! sexually, meaning Man Loves Woman, and People were coming and going as they like. Remember People Love each other...... They not into goof battybwoy(homosexual) tings BURN FIRE BURN HOMOSEXUALS!!!Repent homosexuals you can Be Saved!!!
You can see this Into How the Vikings when They Traveled to the Americas(1st Whites to Americas NOT COLUMBUS) THERE WAS NO BONES OF WAR matter of fact europeans refused to believe the Vikings traveled to Americas because There was NO VIOLENCE,
People Recognize Each Other(Hint).....
Euros think that White People are like Them, racist, heartless, demonized etc...So they denied THE VIKINGS were Inside America CHILLING WIT DA NATIVE AMERICANS cause they can't Really find violent encounters!!!WOW!!!
Another Reason is how The Vikings were massacering EUROS inside Europe...How could These Vikings Violent devil killers oops er um White People attacked and ran rough shod over all of europe and destroyed many of europes gehazi(Problem) controlled euros ooops I mean were attacking euros yet they chilled inside America, that bothers the euros. The thing though is that Vikings are WHITE PEOPLE!!! euros don't understand that!!! euros! YOU ARE NOT WHITE!, euros are an embarassement to White People! because of your homosexual! goofy!, racist! molesting! ways!!! ALL People are Born from God and are not racists, they hate evil!!!
Read Up On these Things Mindovermatter.
No they were not, Whites were never the majority in Europe until recently, look at the Benjamin Franklin quote. Mike and various others have proved that Europe was brown/black to mixed in the 1800's to mainly white today because of wars between whites and the native europeans.
And yes they were wars as we can see in the migration of the sea peoples and all the wars in Europe that has been listed. The mixed and swarthy people of Europe were kicked out or exterminated from Europe except for maybe parts of Southern Europe.
Also the Vikings were a mixed bunch of people, who were not just white but also black/brown. The Vikings also fought wars between each other a lot as much as they supposedly raided and took over.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Mindovermatter,
Stupid White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist. Whites ARE the Native Europeans & your Black supremacist ilk have proven nothing. The Vikings were in fact White NO Blacks amongst them. As I've told Mike & your ilk several times, go find your own dang history IN AFRICA and stop trying to steal other people's. White children have a right to what is theirs. They have a right to their history, their heritage, their identity, their homeland without you trying to rob them of it. BTW Whites are NOT albinos either you moron.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
There was no blood thirsty war Mind, There was lots of fornicating....Credit Mike and Ironlion for de Pictures
Whites were never the majority in Europe until recently, look at the Benjamin Franklin quote. Mike and various others have proved that Europe was brown/black to mixed in the 1800's to mainly white today because of wars between whites and the native europeans.
Stop being ridiculous The above are merely tanned males of the same ethnic group as the females. That is all Benjamin Franklin was referring to when talking about southern Europeans as not "white" .
It's the same thing with Southern Euroepan people today. Some have a brown tint. That is not black people with afros, LOL
So Benajmin Franklin, talking about Europe was talking about this: ^^and also people even lighter brown
Not this:
When Benjamin Franklin said "white" in the context of his times, he did not mean George Bush or Mitt Romney. He meant Donald Trump
And you are misquoting Mike
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
if Blacks were the original settlers of Europe - and they were, then how could they be out-numbered and defeated by the Central Asian Albino immigrants?
1) Europe was never densely populated by Blacks.
Obviously Europe has been densely populated for a couple thousand years before Benjamin Franklin. Therefore the majority could not have been black, as noted here by Mike
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
There was no blood thirsty war Mind, There was lots of fornicating....Credit Mike and Ironlion for de Pictures
Whites were never the majority in Europe until recently, look at the Benjamin Franklin quote. Mike and various others have proved that Europe was brown/black to mixed in the 1800's to mainly white today because of wars between whites and the native europeans.
Stop being ridiculous The above are merely tanned males of the same ethnic group as the females. That is all Benjamin Franklin was referring to when talking about southern Europeans as not "white" .
It's the same thing with Southern Euroepan people today. Some have a brown tint. That is not black people with afros, LOL
So Benajmin Franklin, talking about Europe was talking about this: ^^and also people even lighter brown
Not this:
When Benjamin Franklin said "white" in the context of his times, he did not mean George Bush or Mitt Romney. He meant Donald Trump
And you are misquoting Mike
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
if Blacks were the original settlers of Europe - and they were, then how could they be out-numbered and defeated by the Central Asian Albino immigrants?
1) Europe was never densely populated by Blacks.
Obviously Europe has been densely populated for a couple thousand years before Benjamin Franklin. Therefore the majority could not have been black, as noted here by Mike
Lioness, every white nationalist agrees that Southern Europe is highly mixed and is the result of admixture between black/browns and whites. When you mix a black person with multiple whites, you get the skin tone described in the picture.
Also if Benjamin Franklin were referring to these people as the swarthy ones, why would he be being saying that GERMANS,SWEDES,RUSSIANS,FRENCH etc are swarthy, whom are all VERY WHITE to primarily WHITE groups today?
What you are saying doesn't make any sense, and there are murals and pictures in Italy and elsewhere that show that there were high populations of black/browns in Europe predating Benjamin Franklin!
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
^Oh, oh, lioness is about to bury the thread in nonsense Red Herring posts to hide it's importance. Abandon Thread! Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Oh, oh, lioness is about to bury the thread in nonsense Red Herring posts to hide it's importance. Abandon Thread!
Mike can you at least give me feedback on my post?
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
Lioness, every white nationalist agrees that Southern Europe is highly mixed and is the result of admixture between black/browns and whites. When you mix a black person with multiple whites, you get the skin tone described in the picture.
White nationalists are assholes, so why should one regard anything they say. Secondly they do not say tall darker skinned Southern Euroepans are all "highly mixed" with blacks And you have a new catagory "browns" you throw in to muddy the waters So does this mean brown South Americans are a mixture of blacks and whites? "white" is a social contruct, it's meaning is sheer opinon and changes. Look at all the variation in Africa. And what is the cause of it? Do all dark skinned Africans look the same? Hell no
That should teach you that there is variation in other parts of the world also
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
Also if Benjamin Franklin were referring to these people as the swarthy ones, why would he be being saying that GERMANS,SWEDES,RUSSIANS,FRENCH etc are swarthy, whom are all VERY WHITE to primarily WHITE groups today?
Benjamin Franklin was merely talking syit, trying to enhance people of English ancestry as the "true whites"
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
What you are saying doesn't make any sense, and there are murals and pictures in Italy and elsewhere that show that there were high populations of black/browns in Europe predating Benjamin Franklin!
"black/browns"
^^^ throw anything in there, now "brown" is a race
Look, it's like Mike says, if blacks were this large majority in Europe just several hundred years ago
^^ and these people with terrible eyesight came in as minority and took ove the blacks, then black people must be a bunch of weak ass punks
Therefore several years ago Europe was not majority black
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Mindovermatter,
You don't what in the hell you are talking about. Check out Stormfront, they have a section for Spaniards, a section for Portuguese,a section for Greeks, & had a section for Italians til the Italian gov blocked the site. You are thinking about Nordicists, they believe everyone who isn't Nordic (Germanic) isn't White. BTW Ben Franklin wasn't an Anglo-Saxon either, he came from MTDna Haplo. V, a haplo. common in drum roll please SAMI people. BTW you can have Hitler as he wasn't White hehehe he was E1b1 a Haplo common in Berbers, Jews & Somalians Hehehehe he's all yours boys. Ohh and Napoleon is also yours he was a branch of E1b that is common in drum roll please ETHIOPIANS LOL ROTFLMBO!!!!
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
Lioness, we have established and I have proved in my post that the Dravidian Albino's did not come in as a minority, they came in as a MAJORITY IN SEPARATE HUMAN WAVES AND LARGE SCALE HUMAN MIGRATIONS, JUST LIKE ILLEGAL MEXICANS COMING IN AND TAKING OVER THE SOUTH WEST OF THE UNITED STATES TODAY!
This is infact recorded in history, there were huge migrations of Dravidian albino's, from the Dorians, and Italics, to the Scythians, Cimmerians, Avars, Alans, to the Goths and Germanics and Slavs etc etc.
Roman and Greek writers were saying THERE WERE LARGE POPULATIONS OF THEM COMING IN FROM THE EAST! Tacitus said the Germancs had a VAST population!
Now look at my post about the R1a horse nomads of central Asia and the size of central asia to the United States! Think about how large a population of whites there are in the U.S and compare the size of the U.S to the territories I linked to in my last post.
In that gigantic territory, in medieval times, you could support ENTIRE POPULATIONS, INFACT YOU COULD HOUSE MASSIVE POPULATIONS OF DRAVIDIAN ALBINO's WITHIN THE TERRITORY! SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT THERE WOULD BE LARGE POPULATIONS OF DRAVIDIAN ALBINO'S MIGRATING FROM THE EAST FROM THE EURASIAN STEPPES!
So, these massive populations of Dravidian albino's from Eurasia started migrating en masse to Europe, in multiple human migrations as recorded by the Greeks and Romans!
The migrations and movement of these giant populations of Dravidian Albino's changed the appearance and racial demographics of Europe, such that R1a became a large marker in EASTERN Europe with some amounts in Western Europe as well! It also changed Europe from being like India with large populations of blacks/browns with Whites, TO PRIMARILY HAVING WHITE EUROPEANS AS THE PRINCIPLE POPULATION!
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
So Dhoxie understands Napoleon, Hitler and other whites are depigmented Africans. Give it time. All the Euronuts will come around. Even haplogroup I is African. I remember I read a paper stating the San carry unique versions of hg-I. About 7 years ago. Can't get my hands on that old paper now.
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mindovermatter,
You don't what in the hell you are talking about. Check out Stormfront, they have a section for Spaniards, a section for Portuguese,a section for Greeks, & had a section for Italians til the Italian gov blocked the site. You are thinking about Nordicists, they believe everyone who isn't Nordic (Germanic) isn't White. BTW Ben Franklin wasn't an Anglo-Saxon either, he came from MTDna Haplo. V, a haplo. common in drum roll please SAMI people. BTW you can have Hitler as he wasn't White hehehe he was E1b1 a Haplo common in Berbers, Jews & Somalians Hehehehe he's all yours boys. Ohh and Napoleon is also yours he was a branch of E1b that is common in drum roll please ETHIOPIANS LOL ROTFLMBO!!!!
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
MOM,
Science should be based on theories that can be confirmed or rejected by empirical facts. Where are the empirical facts that so-called "Dravidian Albinos" marched into Europe by the thousands and thousands to displace resident blacks? That's just sheer fantasy--like the Santa Claus story that very young children are taught to believe in.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: MOM,
Science should be based on theories that can be confirmed or rejected by empirical facts. Where are the empirical facts that so-called "Dravidian Albinos" marched into Europe by the thousands and thousands to displace resident blacks? That's just sheer fantasy--like the Santa Claus story that very young children are taught to believe in.
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I am REALLY, REALLY tired of you lies. Hell, you're even worst that lioness. Read this, then get your Albino Mole Ass back to STORMFRONT.
As clearly demonstrated, those Dravidian Albinos are now called Europeans.
(The Dumb bastard is too stupid to know that there are even Wiki's on the subject).
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: MOM,
Science should be based on theories that can be confirmed or rejected by empirical facts. Where are the empirical facts that so-called "Dravidian Albinos" marched into Europe by the thousands and thousands to displace resident blacks? That's just sheer fantasy--like the Santa Claus story that very young children are taught to believe in.
quote: By ~6,000–5,000 years ago, farmers throughout much of Europe had more hunter-gatherer ancestry than their predecessors, but in Russia, the Yamnaya steppe herders of this time were descended not only from the preceding eastern European hunter-gatherers, but also from a population of Near Eastern ancestry. Western and Eastern Europe came into contact ~4,500 years ago, as the Late Neolithic Corded Ware people from Germany traced ~75% of their ancestry to the Yamnaya, documenting a massive migration into the heartland of Europe from its eastern periphery. This steppe ancestry persisted in all sampled central Europeans until at least ~3,000 years ago, and is ubiquitous in present-day Europeans. These results provide support for a steppe origin9 of at least some of the Indo-European languages of Europe.
quote: The Migration Period, also called the Barbarian Invasions or German: Völkerwanderung (wandering of the peoples), was a period of human migration that occurred roughly between 300 to 700 CE in Europe, marking the transition from Late Antiquity to the Early Middle Ages. These movements were catalyzed by profound changes within both the Roman Empire and the so-called 'barbarian frontier'. Migrating peoples during this period included the Huns, Goths, Vandals, Bulgars, Alans, Suebi, Frisians, and Franks, among other Germanic and Slavic tribes.
here is a size of siberia and modern day russia, where the albino hordes came from also:
now include central asia, including northern iran, northern pakistan, afghanistan, and western china, and eastern ukraine, and you have a gigantic ass territory.
Now is it believable that hordes of albino's came in from these areas, amassed a population of themselves and migrated en masse to europe, in giant population waves of dravidian albino's?
Now here is a size comparison of Kazakhstan to Europe, Kazakhstan being in central asia and being a hot spot of Eurasian dravidian albino's who rode horses and invaded europe as DESCRIBED BY THE ANCIENT GREEKS!
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: So Dhoxie understands Napoleon, Hitler and other whites are depigmented Africans. Give it time. All the Euronuts will come around. Even haplogroup I is African. I remember I read a paper stating the San carry unique versions of hg-I. About 7 years ago. Can't get my hands on that old paper now.
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mindovermatter,
You don't what in the hell you are talking about. Check out Stormfront, they have a section for Spaniards, a section for Portuguese,a section for Greeks, & had a section for Italians til the Italian gov blocked the site. You are thinking about Nordicists, they believe everyone who isn't Nordic (Germanic) isn't White. BTW Ben Franklin wasn't an Anglo-Saxon either, he came from MTDna Haplo. V, a haplo. common in drum roll please SAMI people. BTW you can have Hitler as he wasn't White hehehe he was E1b1 a Haplo common in Berbers, Jews & Somalians Hehehehe he's all yours boys. Ohh and Napoleon is also yours he was a branch of E1b that is common in drum roll please ETHIOPIANS LOL ROTFLMBO!!!!
xyman, can you give me feedback on my last big post on my theory i am working on?
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
MOM, Where does it say in your posts that the migrants were Albinos from India? You must note that the Western part of Eurasia--one continent not 2--was long occupied by people who mingled biologically with the Neanderthals until they became extinct some 40,000 years ago. Obviously then, there were people living in Western Europe at least 40,000 years ago.
The proof of that is that Modern Europeans are seen as having some 4% on average of the Neanderthal genome.
The question now is what were the physical characteristics of those people who lived in Western Europe during the times of the Neanderthal? The consensus hypothesis is that such people first settled in the Levant for a while before some went due North West and some went due North East. Those that when North West are the ancestors of today's Europeans. They went in 2 waves, first as nomads then as farmers. The first set are represented by the modern Basques of Spain whose language and genetics are distinct[even though they are indistinguishable from other Spaniards] while the second set are the ancestors of modern Europeans. What did they look like? Some theories state that they were Levantine tan with blue eyes.
That scenario looks much more plausible than speculative hypotheses about Dravidian Albinos invading from Central Asia who then proceeded to kill of resident blacks.
After all, Albinos occur relatively very infrequently--at most 1 per 20,000 in parts of Africa. So for a population of 1 million there would be only 50 Albinos. Given that Albinos belong to their families, on what basis would they gang together to form an army to travel Westwards to fight resident blacks? Pure speculation here.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by lamin: MOM, Where does it say in your posts that the migrants were Albinos from India? You must note that the Western part of Eurasia--one continent not 2--was long occupied by people who mingled biologically with the Neanderthals until they became extinct some 40,000 years ago. Obviously then, there were people living in Western Europe at least 40,000 years ago.
The proof of that is that Modern Europeans are seen as having some 4% on average of the Neanderthal genome.
The question now is what were the physical characteristics of those people who lived in Western Europe during the times of the Neanderthal? The consensus hypothesis is that such people first settled in the Levant for a while before some went due North West and some went due North East. Those that when North West are the ancestors of today's Europeans. They went in 2 waves, first as nomads then as farmers. The first set are represented by the modern Basques of Spain whose language and genetics are distinct[even though they are indistinguishable from other Spaniards] while the second set are the ancestors of modern Europeans. What did they look like? Some theories state that they were Levantine tan with blue eyes.
That scenario looks much more plausible than speculative hypotheses about Dravidian Albinos invading from Central Asia who then proceeded to kill of resident blacks.
After all, Albinos occur relatively very infrequently--at most 1 per 20,000 in parts of Africa. So for a population of 1 million there would be only 50 Albinos. Given that Albinos belong to their families, on what basis would they gang together to form an army to travel Westwards to fight resident blacks? Pure speculation here.
quote: This finding, together with the higher R1a-associated short tandem repeat diversity in India and Iran compared with Europe and central Asia, suggests that southern and western Asia might be the source of this haplogroup. Haplotype frequencies of the MX1 locus of chromosome 21 distinguish Koyas and Chenchus, along with Indian caste groups, from European and eastern Asian populations. Taken together, these results show that Indian tribal and caste populations derive largely from the same genetic heritage of Pleistocene southern and western Asians and have received limited gene flow from external regions since the Holocene. The phylogeography of the primal mtDNA and Y-chromosome founders suggests that these southern Asian Pleistocene coastal settlers from Africa would have provided the inocula for the subsequent differentiation of the distinctive eastern and western Eurasian gene pools.
quote: “We have conclusively proved that there never existed any Aryans or Dravidians in the Indian sub continent. The Aryan-Dravidian classification was nothing but a misinformation campaign carried out by people with vested interests,” Prof Lalji Singh, vice-chancellor, Banaras Hindu University, told DNA.
The findings of a three-year research by a team of scientists, including Prof Singh and others from various countries, has been published by American Journal of Human Genetics in its issue dated December 9.
“The study effectively puts to rest the argument that south Indians are Dravidians and were driven to the peninsula by Aryans who invaded North India,” said Prof Singh, a molecular biologist and former chief of Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology, Hyderabad.
According to Dr Gyaneshwer Chaubey, Estonian Biocentre, Tartu, Estonia, who was another Indian member of the team, the leaders of Dravidian political parties may have to find another answer for their raison d'ętre. “We have proved that people all over India have common genetic traits and origin. All Indians have the same DNA structure. No foreign genes or DNA has entered the Indian mainstream in the last 60,000 years,” Dr Chaubey said.
Dr Chaubey had proved in 2009 itself that the Aryan invasion theory is bunkum. “That was based on low resolution genetic markers. This time we have used autosomes, which means all major 23 chromosomes, for our studies. The decoding of human genome and other advances in this area help us in unraveling the ancestry in 60,000 years,” he explained.
However, Gnani Shankaran, noted Dravidian thinker, said the time for writing the last word on Dravidian philosophy has not yet come.
“We have to find out the credentials of the authors of this research paper and their hidden agenda. In Tamil Nadu, the Dravidian and Aryan ties are inter-related. The Dalits in our land are the descendents of the Dravidian Brahmins who were pushed to the lowest strata of society by the Aryans,” Shankaran said.
According to Prof Singh, Dr Chaubey, and Dr Kumarasamy Thangaraj, another member of the team, the findings disprove the caste theory prevailing in India. Interestingly, the team found that instead of Aryan invasion, it was Indians who moved from the subcontinent to Europe. “That’s the reason behind the findings of the same genetic traits in Eurasiain regions,” said Dr Thangaraj, senior scientist, CCMB.
“Africans came to India through Central Asia during 80,000 to 60,000 BCE and they moved to Europe sometime around 30,000 BCE. The Indian Vedic literature and the epics are all silent about the Aryan-Dravidian conflict,” said Dr S Kalyanaraman, a proponent of the Saraswathi civilization which developed along the banks of the now defunct River Saraswathi.
Now I do believe there were migrations of Dravidian albino's and Central Asian invaders into southern asia but not as euroclowns describe it.
But take a look at this:
Now take a look at this indian albino:
So it's simple, the indian albino's migrated into Central Asia and Siberia and modern day Russia before the BC period because they were albino's and due to temperature and too much sunlight and in the maps and location pictures I provided above.
They amassed themselves in those pictured territories and invaded Europe, the middle East, North Africa, Western China, Anatolia, South Asia from these pictures territories.
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
M111: "As to you Chinese and other Mongloid people out there: As clearly shown by the Himba and San: "
No mention of the African Mongo people.
San & Himba lived nomadically in deserts - thus the slanted eyes (epicanthic fold) of people of the Namibian Kalahari Desert, and the Mongolian Gobi desert. Deserts are found in sub-tropics not tropics.
The people with the darkest skin mostly have round eyes, associated with partial shading along tropical rainforest periphery.
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Etymology of bungalow: bungalow (n.) from Gujarati bangalo, from Hindi bangla "low, thatched house," literally "Bengalese," used elliptically for "house in the Bengal style" (see Bengal). Related: Bungaloid.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
Many Indians have this type of very broad nose. Many Europeans do not have this type of nose. But dumbasses don't know the difference. One could argue that her nose and lips are more similar to the average African than to the average European !
Posted by Clyde Winters (Member # 10129) on :
Mindovermatter you have to understand that much of the research on ancient Indians is based on Hindutva nationalism. The Hindutva are radical Hindus who are anti-Dalit, Muslim, Dravidians and etc. Archaeological research makes it clear that the Indo-Aryan speaking Hindus of North India only arrived in India 1200 BC--they are using the diversity of M haplogroups among South Indians to make it appear that Indo-Aryan speakers were the first settlers of India. But as made clear among the papers in this book there is no support between the spread of AMH to India and the M haplogroup.
Your theory is interesting but it fails to understand the history of India and the origin of the people of India. The North Indians and Dravidians have different origins. The North Indians are descendants of white Central Asians who mated with the Dravidians after the entered India around 1200 BC.
Reich et al, Reconstructing Indian population history, Nature 461:489-494 claims that the Indian Cline divides Indians into two groups Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South Indians (ANS).
Southern Asia, Australia and the Search for Human Origins edited by Robin Dennell, Martin Porr
Southern Asia, Australia and the Search for Human Origins edited by Robin Dennell, Martin Porr is an interesting book. Blinkhorn and Petraglia wrote Chapter 6: Assessing Models for the Dispersal of Modern Human to South Asia . This chapter is very interesting. We learn that there is little skeletal or archaeological evidence to support the spread of AMH to India between 50-65kya, probably due to changes in the sea level. These changes may have led to many early sites containing AMH remains--presently under water.
The best evidence of AMH in India date back to 30kya. This evidence shows a relationship between Howiesons Poort (South African) and South Indian microlithic industries. This suggest a Khoisan migration into the area, since we see the expansion of Khoisan into western Eurasia around the same time, i.e. the Aurignacian culture. South Indian traditions claim a land mass formerly connected India to East Africa. The increased sea levels suggest that we may never know the actual history for the spread of AMH to India.
Many archaeologist fail to recognize the actual history of AMH in India. They spend their time attempting to make Dravidians the original settlers of India. The original settlers of India are the Munda people. The Dravidians only came to India 4.5kya.
If the Khoisan did settle India they probably introduced haplogroup N lineages R and U. This would explain the presence of mtDNA R among the Munda. The Munda people may not have took the coastal route to India.
Since the Khoisan carried haplogroup R when they entered Europe, they would have been carriers of this haplogroup when they entered the caves. As a result, Proto Europeans would have carried R haplogroup when they exited the caves after 2000.
The Iranian and other Southern “whites” (the name the Germans call Middle Easteren “whites”) have different origins. The white Europeans are descendants of the Cro-Magnon Blacks (Khoisan) who entered the caves during the last Ice Age and remained in the caves until around 2000 BC.
The ancestors of the Turks and other Middle Eastern whites are the Gutians. These Gutians were hill people who were often engaged in wars with the Sumerians and Akkadians.
The Hindutva has popularized the idea that the Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT), which maintains that nomadic Indo-Aryan speaking populations invaded India, is a lie ; and that Indo-Aryan people have always lived in India and were founders of the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC). To deny AIT, you have to prove that North India 1) was not originally occupied by non-Indo-Aryan speaking people; and 2) Indo-Aryan speaking people have always been settled in Northern India. This is impossible because we know that the original inhabitants of North India used the black-and red ware (BRW) ceramic tradition. Around the time Indo-Aryans, have been hypothesized as invading India (c. 800-1200 BC), we see the introduction of people using painted grey ware (PGW), and the disappearance of the users of BRW.
Most Indo-Aryans entered India around 1000-800 BC. This would explain why almost all of the dependable PGW dates cluster around 800-350 BC. Because the first wave Aryans probably entered India peacefully , before 1000BC there probably existed vast bilingualism in North India and other areas where Dravidian speaking populations are found outside South India. 33
The Aryans adopted many cultural elements from the indigenous Indian people. This was especially true of Dravidian gods like Vishnu, Krishna and Shiva. Over time the Aryan invaders began to unite their own gods and those of the Dravidian speaking population. But they made sure to keep the Dravidian gods in a subservient role. For example, Krishna is often represented as driving the chariot of Arjuna. Although the Aryans took much of their civilization from the Dravidian speaking population, they continued to practice their own religion. This religion was reconstituted by the adoption of many of the Dravidian gods and religious practices. The Aryan invasion/elite dominance model explains the existence of the Hurrian-Mitanni religious and horsemenship terms in Hindu civilization. These terms became part of an interlanguage phenomena when the Hurrian-Mitanni and Iranian speakers met in Iran and created the Proto-Indo-Aryan speaking “populations”. Once the Aryan speakers crossed the Iranian Plateau and moved their way into India they came in contact with the Dravidian speaking population. At this time we probably had the Aryan population speaking a mixed language made up of Hurrian-Mitanni and Iranian dialects entering an area where Dravidian dialects were already being spoken. After hundreds of years of bilingualism there developed an interlanguage phenomena that became a permenant feature of the literate or elite segments of Northern India after the Aryans took control of the area. The Aryans adopted many native terms, but due to their elite 34
status they imposed their religion on the locals. We can define the institutionalization of an interlanguage as language recombination, i.e., the mixing of the vocabulary and structures of the substratum language (Dravidian) and the superstratum (Elamite-Iranian-Hurrian-Mitanni) language(s) to form a new mixed language: Indo-Aryan. The invention of an interlanguage in Northern India would account for the correspondence in grammar and vocabulary between Dravidian and Indo-Aryan, and Iranian and Hurrian-Mitanni on the other. In summary there was an Aryan invasion of India. The invaders came from from Iran. The invaders spoke Iranian dialects, Elamite and Hurrian-Mitanni. The Iranians and Hurrians fused their gods into one religion that became Hinduism. The Aryans made painted grey ware. They entered India in two waves. A peaceful wave between 1300-1000 BC and a violent wave of conquest between 1000- 350 BC.
The Indo-Aryan language spoken in India is an interlanguage. This language includes vocabulary and grammar from Iranian dialects, Hurrian-Mitanni and the Dravidian languages.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Many Indians have this type of very broad nose. Many Europeans do not have this type of nose. But dumbasses don't know the difference. One could argue that her nose and lips are more similar to the average African than to the average European !
Lioness please stop lying, I know a white girl at my work that LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE HER AND WITH HER EXACT FACIAL FEATURES! The only difference is that she had ginger hair instead of blonde.
And lioness, there are plenty, I mean PLENTY of White Europeans with flat to broad noses even broader then hers. How do I know? Because I have seen them.
These albino's are for all intents and purposes white europeans, please please stop lying and trying to play these stupid games.
Posted by Mike111 (Member # 9361) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
Many Indians have this type of very broad nose. Many Europeans do not have this type of nose. But dumbasses don't know the difference. One could argue that her nose and lips are more similar to the average African than to the average European !
. Mindovermatter do you now see why it is foolish to have a conversation with lioness and lamin? It is best to simply make your point and then ignore them. All that will follow from them is a lie, so why bother?
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Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
^ Mike has a point,
Nonwithstanding, broad noses are more typical of Africans than Europeans.
Still those flat nosed white people don't quite match this woman
I might add her nose while broad is not exactly shaped like most African noses. It seems to be similar to some aboriginal Austrailians
If you want to do the whole "Dravidian albino" theory at least get a person with a thin sterotypical European looking nose. However you find more of those in the Middle East. So why aren't white people "Near Eastern Albinos" ?? Simple, Mike has less affection for Indian people and it's further away from Europe, the home of Mike's own Haplgroup I.
Lioness for god's sake, how do you explain this then?
Many white racist bloggers have admitted that Indians, even the dark ones are racially "caucasoid" as in having "caucasian features". I have posted the links for that here before.
So if Whites have flat noses, how the **** wouldn't they have noses like this girl? I have ACTUALLY SEEN ACTUAL WHITE PEOPLE WITH THESE NOSES IN REAL LIFE! SHE IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES A WHITE GIRL, AND IF SHE WERE TO BE MAGICALLY TRANSPORTED TO AMERICA, EVERYONE WOULD MISTAKE HER FOR A TYPICAL WHITE GIRL IF SHE SPOKE PERFECT ENGLISH WITHOUT AN ACCENT!
NO ONE WOULD SUSPECT SHE IS AN ALBINO! ESPECIALLY IN THE PRESENCE OF ANY BLACK PEOPLE!
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Lioness for god's sake, how do you explain this then?
Many white racist bloggers have admitted that Indians, even the dark ones are racially "caucasoid" as in having "caucasian features". I have posted the links for that here before.
So if Whites have flat noses, how the **** wouldn't they have noses like this girl? I have ACTUALLY SEEN ACTUAL WHITE PEOPLE WITH THESE NOSES IN REAL LIFE! SHE IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES A WHITE GIRL, AND IF SHE WERE TO BE MAGICALLY TRANSPORTED TO AMERICA, EVERYONE WOULD MISTAKE HER FOR A TYPICAL WHITE GIRL IF SHE SPOKE PERFECT ENGLISH WITHOUT AN ACCENT!
NO ONE WOULD SUSPECT SHE IS AN ALBINO! ESPECIALLY IN THE PRESENCE OF ANY BLACK PEOPLE!
You are always saying "but the racists say"
F the racists and what they say
There is a certain amount of overlap of facial features from around the world. But you can't assume samness of ancestry based on that. The genetics and historical evidence help clarify. Inidna mtDNA is predominantly Haplogroup M, Euroepan myDNA is not. Clyde will attest.
Put up some pictures of Syrians, Jordainians, Iranians, Middle Easterners etc and you will find a lot of crossover with European features. So why all the hype on "Dravidians" and the dumb thing is that Dravidians are not even the only type of East Indian, again Clyde will attest
And I told your ass, without a timeline, which is a sequence of events by dates, none of your theories will be believable
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mindovermatter,
You don't what in the hell you are talking about. Check out Stormfront, they have a section for Spaniards, a section for Portuguese,a section for Greeks, & had a section for Italians til the Italian gov blocked the site. You are thinking about Nordicists, they believe everyone who isn't Nordic (Germanic) isn't White. BTW Ben Franklin wasn't an Anglo-Saxon either, he came from MTDna Haplo. V, a haplo. common in drum roll please SAMI people. BTW you can have Hitler as he wasn't White hehehe he was E1b1 a Haplo common in Berbers, Jews & Somalians Hehehehe he's all yours boys. Ohh and Napoleon is also yours he was a branch of E1b that is common in drum roll please ETHIOPIANS LOL ROTFLMBO!!!!
The Italian gov was wise to do so, they know that most of what they write there is ignorant racist ****. And I find it ironic how well you now your way on the Stormfront website so well.
Thx for showing where you get you "education" from.
I bet before you knew his genetic background, he was your most favorite hero of all time.
Yep, he was mixed up. Very confusing, almost disturbing.
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
Nope Troll Patrol he wasn't. I have no heroes, I have never had any heroes or role models. I learned a long long time ago to live by the rule DTA and not to look up to anyone either as people will let you down.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
I said Hitler because Hitler's DNA belonged to the group E1b1b. Comparitively Hitler is more black then Mike who belongs to the Scandinavian Haplogroup I
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Nope Troll Patrol he wasn't. I have no heroes, I have never had any heroes or role models. I learned a long long time ago to live by the rule DTA and not to look up to anyone either as people will let you down.
Perhaps that's the problem with you: "I have never had any heroes or role models".
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I said Hitler because Hitler's DNA belonged to the group E1b1b. Comparitively Hitler is more black then Mike who belongs to the Scandinavian Haplogroup I
I saw a documentary about ten years ago. It had a "black dude," looking like the average African American male. His genetic composition wasn't like that of the average African American male. Even he was surprised.
Posted by Child Of The KING (Member # 9422) on :
lamin: "That's just sheer fantasy--like the Santa Claus story that very young children are taught to believe in."
Santa Claus story is based on ancient Shaman entering the Chum(tipi with central stairway/smokehole/chimney), far more real than the racist speculation stuff.
Tundra = Sunland (no forest canopy there) Lots of UV there.
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Wayne Joseph looks Samoan/Tongan.
Narrow nose = low humidity climate Broad nose = high humidity climate
Posted by lamin (Member # 5777) on :
DD--
You don't understand my point. The Santa Claus story is nonsense because young children in the West are taught that some fat man slides down a chimney to hand lay gifts at the base of a fertility tree(Christmas tree). It is just NOT TRUE.
On nasal indices--again all wrong. There are many blacks in Africa with very narrow noses, and they live in the humid parts of Africa. The same with East Asia. Look at the nose of Japanese PM, Abe and compare with the flat noses or medium/flat noses the majority of Japanese.
Anthropologists have claimed that the Japanese noses don't have "nose bridges" hence the popularity of cosmetic surgery to insert plastic nose bridges on noses.
Again, I note that people are confusing haplogroup linkages with phenotype. The former are essentially about MRCA linkages while the latter are subject to the vagaries of natural selection, genetic drift assorted mating, bottlenecks, etc. The latter are shaped purely by the environment. The former by the random changes on the ACTG bases.
Both types genomic structures do no necessarily run concomitantly.
Posted by ausar (Member # 1797) on :
This CocaCola invented Sannie Claws is absurd. Th fuh outta here... ...some Euro goin roun the world giving when we all know Euros went roun the world taking Pure damage control.
But I say, shis, enjoy the frickin holiday, have big fun.
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
Lamin, you seem to be in a "I'm right, You're dumb" rut.
The Santaclaus/saintnicholas/tsintli coloa(Aztec) story is truly ancient oral history.
Ancient Egypt priests held a flying trance on a tekenu sledge just like Eskimo shaman held a flying trance on a dogsled and Siberian shaman held flying trance on a reindeer sled.
The fat Santa indicates happy healthy during the long winter/drought famine period.
note: Lu-Pan Other Names: Lupan. Description: God of carpenters and masons. Rules Over: Artistic abilities, fame
cf lupa(Philipino: soil)/Nuba/Fula relates to earth lodges eg. r/b/gr/mound structures such as Jomon, Navaho, Mandan; and further to mom's mound.
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Lamin: "DD--
You don't understand my point. The Santa Claus story is nonsense because young children in the West are taught that some fat man slides down a chimney to hand lay gifts at the base of a fertility tree(Christmas tree). It is just NOT TRUE. "
DD: it is modernized and adapted to local cultures. Fertility tree OR fire/pyre/hearth/birth
"On nasal indices--again all wrong. There are many blacks in Africa with very narrow noses, and they live in the humid parts of Africa. The same with East Asia. Look at the nose of Japanese PM, Abe and compare with the flat noses or medium/flat noses the majority of Japanese."
DD: Of course mixture & migration.
"Anthropologists have claimed that the Japanese noses don't have "nose bridges" hence the popularity of cosmetic surgery to insert plastic nose bridges on noses. "
DD: and Thailand, rhinoplasty... opposite occurs in Iran, nasalbone shaving
"Again, I note that people are confusing haplogroup linkages with phenotype. The former are essentially about MRCA linkages while the latter are subject to the vagaries of natural selection, genetic drift assorted mating, bottlenecks, etc. The latter are shaped purely by the environment. The former by the random changes on the ACTG bases. "
DD: Mutations followed by natural selection for advantageous traits, as always in nature.
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
Little doubt that Sami and San(dhwe) link to Santa/Shama. via Xyambua(tlaya). Both have conical dwellings called lavu(Lapp) and Sandu(tent/etxe-endu).
Note: Basque also have a Xmas/Xyamash/krystmas god. in Basque, house is etxe.
Note: Basque - Lamin. Common name of a spirit of human form, generally female, with the feet of an animal. Very frequent in the mythology, their name and characteristics vary according to regions. They are found mainly in Vizcaya, the South of Guipúzcoa, the mountains of from Navarre and in Laburdi, Benabarra and Zuberoa.
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The Sandhwe make cone huts like Bantus and Mongols, other KhoiSan make dome huts of grass.
New Year Symbol -> Annu.al god/Janus(Rome)=Oannes(Babel) linked to Shama.sh/Shema(Hebrew:sun prayer). ===
Olantzyaro(Basque santa-god) Kilimanjaro(Kenya) snow on high/sky/fly/tzi.oen Kinabalu(Borneo) snow on high/sky/fly/guru-gunung Xy.mba/nja.dwa ~ Sandwe(San)/Honai(Yali)/Coney ki(Jap) smo.key.wood(Hinoki incense cedar)
coil/coal/cuon/kong hi fatt choy(Cant: happy new year)
Posted by Snakepit1 (Member # 21736) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: So Dhoxie understands Napoleon, Hitler and other whites are depigmented Africans. Give it time. All the Euronuts will come around. Even haplogroup I is African. I remember I read a paper stating the San carry unique versions of hg-I. About 7 years ago. Can't get my hands on that old paper now.
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: Mindovermatter,
You don't what in the hell you are talking about. Check out Stormfront, they have a section for Spaniards, a section for Portuguese,a section for Greeks, & had a section for Italians til the Italian gov blocked the site. You are thinking about Nordicists, they believe everyone who isn't Nordic (Germanic) isn't White. BTW Ben Franklin wasn't an Anglo-Saxon either, he came from MTDna Haplo. V, a haplo. common in drum roll please SAMI people. BTW you can have Hitler as he wasn't White hehehe he was E1b1 a Haplo common in Berbers, Jews & Somalians Hehehehe he's all yours boys. Ohh and Napoleon is also yours he was a branch of E1b that is common in drum roll please ETHIOPIANS LOL ROTFLMBO!!!!
There's a shitload of people in Norway who carries Y-dna haplogroup I
Posted by DD'eDeN (Member # 21966) on :
Norway had tropical rainforests.
Posted by the lioness, (Member # 17353) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Even haplogroup I is African. I remember I read a paper stating the San carry unique versions of hg-I. About 7 years ago. Can't get my hands on that old paper now.
People don't waste money on DNA Testing, nor give your blood to a genetic company...We Are One
Regards
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
No, it's not him. He is from London, the guy in that documentary was from the States.
Posted by Ish Gebor (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
Lioness, every white nationalist agrees that Southern Europe is highly mixed and is the result of admixture between black/browns and whites. When you mix a black person with multiple whites, you get the skin tone described in the picture.
White nationalists are assholes, so why should one regard anything they say. Secondly they do not say tall darker skinned Southern Euroepans are all "highly mixed" with blacks And you have a new catagory "browns" you throw in to muddy the waters So does this mean brown South Americans are a mixture of blacks and whites? "white" is a social contruct, it's meaning is sheer opinon and changes. Look at all the variation in Africa. And what is the cause of it? Do all dark skinned Africans look the same? Hell no
That should teach you that there is variation in other parts of the world also
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
Also if Benjamin Franklin were referring to these people as the swarthy ones, why would he be being saying that GERMANS,SWEDES,RUSSIANS,FRENCH etc are swarthy, whom are all VERY WHITE to primarily WHITE groups today?
Benjamin Franklin was merely talking syit, trying to enhance people of English ancestry as the "true whites"
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
What you are saying doesn't make any sense, and there are murals and pictures in Italy and elsewhere that show that there were high populations of black/browns in Europe predating Benjamin Franklin!
"black/browns"
^^^ throw anything in there, now "brown" is a race
Look, it's like Mike says, if blacks were this large majority in Europe just several hundred years ago
^^ and these people with terrible eyesight came in as minority and took ove the blacks, then black people must be a bunch of weak ass punks
Therefore several years ago Europe was not majority black
I have this question for you, why is all europeans are being clusters together is one big happy family? I mean, genetically and in cranial metrics there is obvious differences, also historically. Let's say Nordics and Meds.
And secondly why are not all Italians as "dark" as that soccer player, from Napoli. What' up with that?
Posted by Child Of The KING (Member # 9422) on :
Yo Gebor,
There was a Documentary back inside 2003 called
Race: The Power of an Illusion PBS Documentary
they had 3 part series...Episode 1 possibly the Video...Gotta check PBS to see About Watching the Video...
Chapter One - The Difference Between Us
examines the contemporary science - including genetics -
that challenges our common sense assumptions that human beings can be bundled into three or four fundamentally different groups according to their physical traits.
Chapter Two - The Story We Tell
uncovers the roots of the race concept in North America, the 19th century science that legitimated it, and how it came to be holded onto so fiercely in the western imagination.
The episode is an eye-opening tale of how race served to rationalize, even justify, American social inequalities as "natural."
Chapter Three - The House We Live In
asks, If race is not biology, what is it? This episode uncovers how race resides not in nature but in politics, economics and culture.
It reveals how our social institutions "make" race by disproportionately channeling resources, power, status and wealth to white people.
Support PBS, from watching the video on the Television, get off the stupid computer....
People can crowd around a Television like fifty to hundred then a stupid computer monitor.
Support TV broadcasts and not the filthy computer/internet ...
A.D.D(attention deficit disorder) makes people impatient..and can't concentrate...Notice adults are developing ADULT A.D.D. because of the worthless computer CONvenience
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
Lioness, every white nationalist agrees that Southern Europe is highly mixed and is the result of admixture between black/browns and whites. When you mix a black person with multiple whites, you get the skin tone described in the picture.
White nationalists are assholes, so why should one regard anything they say. Secondly they do not say tall darker skinned Southern Euroepans are all "highly mixed" with blacks And you have a new catagory "browns" you throw in to muddy the waters So does this mean brown South Americans are a mixture of blacks and whites? "white" is a social contruct, it's meaning is sheer opinon and changes. Look at all the variation in Africa. And what is the cause of it? Do all dark skinned Africans look the same? Hell no
That should teach you that there is variation in other parts of the world also
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
Also if Benjamin Franklin were referring to these people as the swarthy ones, why would he be being saying that GERMANS,SWEDES,RUSSIANS,FRENCH etc are swarthy, whom are all VERY WHITE to primarily WHITE groups today?
Benjamin Franklin was merely talking syit, trying to enhance people of English ancestry as the "true whites"
quote:Originally posted by Mindovermatter:
What you are saying doesn't make any sense, and there are murals and pictures in Italy and elsewhere that show that there were high populations of black/browns in Europe predating Benjamin Franklin!
"black/browns"
^^^ throw anything in there, now "brown" is a race
Look, it's like Mike says, if blacks were this large majority in Europe just several hundred years ago
^^ and these people with terrible eyesight came in as minority and took ove the blacks, then black people must be a bunch of weak ass punks
Therefore several years ago Europe was not majority black
I have this question for you, why is all europeans are being clusters together is one big happy family? I mean, genetically and in cranial metrics there is obvious differences, also historically. Let's say Nordics and Meds.
And secondly why are not all Italians as "dark" as that soccer player, from Napoli. What' up with that?
By now it's pretty obvious how it happened and what happened, the evidence and the clues just add up.
Mediterraneans are not the same race as Northern Europeans and Europeans are not all one big family. The Basque and Western Europeans are different from Balts, and Eastern Europeans, and Southern Europeans are different from Northern Europeans.
However what is for certain is that ALL WHITE EUROPEANS ARE ALBINO'S OR ARE THE RESULT OF THE GENETIC DEFECT REFERRED TO AS ALBINISM!
The only issue is why people like Mike and Xyman have such a hard time grasping or accepting the fact that Black Europeans had their OWN albino's IN EUROPE, when they first SETTLED EUROPE! BEFORE the Germanic migration period into Europe and the Scythina/Sarmatian expansion.
The people of Ireland and Scandanavia and Germany, and Scotland/England are a result of Black African albino's mixing with Indian albino's from Central Asia.
This is explained by the almost virtual absence of haplogroup R1b in Eastern Europe, and the complete absence of Haplogroup R1a in Basque people and only little R1a in Western Europe; which is the opposite case for people in Eastern Europe.
However the reason why Mediterraneans are so dark and why Western Europeans are so pale can be explained by the following, the Blacks in the Mediterranean bred with the albino invaders from Central Asia.
However since Northern Europe was sparsely populated and isolated while being a historical backwater throughout history unlike the empires in the south, it was a place of refuge FOR BLACK EUROPEANS WITH ALBINISM AS LOGIC TELLS US!
So the BLACK EUROPEAN ALBINO'S BRED with the EURASIAN INDIAN ALBINO'S IN THE NORTH AND WEST WHEN THEY STARTED THEIR MASS MIGRATIONS INTO EUROPE FROM CENTRAL ASIA!
This resultant admixture produced people like Scandinavians and Germanics peoples, and also Irish/Scottish and Dutch people.
Again the genetic evidence indicates that indeed, the peoples I listed are hybrids or tri-racials of the product of mixing between Black European albino's and Indian Central Asian albino's, which is the REASON WHY THEY LOOK SO WHITE UNLIKE THEIR SOUTHERN EUROPEAN COUNTERPARTS WHILE CARRYING BLACK AFRICAN GENES AND HAPLOGROUPS!
The evidence keeps piling up! And I seem to be proved right time and time again. But I'm still puzzled why people like Xyman, Zaharan, and Mike have trouble accepting this scenario when historical and genetic evidence keeps proving my scenario time and time again!
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
when you mix this guy:
with this guy:
You get this guy:
or this guy:
Folks if you do not believe me, then take a look at this and figure it out yourself:
Why oh why is this hard for people to accept?
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
MOM,
Sorry White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist. When you breed an Albino Black & an Albino Indian you do NOT get a White person sorry dude you just don't. Your theory is not being proven true because there is NO evidence for it nor is there any for Mike's or Clyde's theories either.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: MOM,
Sorry White people hating, Black racist, Black supremacist. When you breed an Albino Black & an Albino Indian you do NOT get a White person sorry dude you just don't. Your theory is not being proven true because there is NO evidence for it....
Oh but Dox there is, this is the closest real life scenario I can think of in modern day times, pertaining to the scenario I have described:
Brazilian albino's:
These are Afro-Brazillian albino's, Afro-Brazillians are basically a mix of blacks and White Europeans, black Brazilians have lots of European DNA even if they do look very black as Brazilian genes tell us.
quote: on the other hand, there’s the persistent trend in the recent analyses which show that black Brazilians have a much higher load of European ancestry than black Americans, while white Brazilians have a much higher load of Amerindian and African, than white Americans.
So basically as you can see, these Brazillian albino's are 100% INDISTINGUISHABLE from ANY MODERN PERSON in central and northern Europe.
And black brazillians are hybrids of White Europeans and blacks.
So what happens when you mix a Black African albino or a Black African albino carrier with a Dravidian Indian European albino as in the case of these Brazilian albino's?
You get these people:
These albino's LOOK COMPLETELY LIKE WHITE EUROPEANS ESPECIALLY NORTHERN EUROPEANS! You are a liar if you say they are not white....
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
MOM,
Sorry dude but the boy in that second pic is NOT White & does not look like a European. Look at his sloped forehead, his low-set broad flat,round tipped nose, his heavy jawline, his lips. I even have doubts about the little girl, something in her nose says non-White. Another thing, children should not be used as their facial features are not fully developed, the same as a puppy should not be used to represent an adult dog. Sorry but albino Negros, Albino Dravidians, Albino Asians, etc are NOT White, never will be White, we won't accept them or your Albino mixed raced offspring either. They are NOT of my people and never will be.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: MOM,
Sorry dude but the boy in that second pic is NOT White & does not look like a European. Look at his sloped forehead, his low-set broad flat,round tipped nose, his heavy jawline, his lips. I even have doubts about the little girl, something in her nose says non-White. Another thing, children should not be used as their facial features are not fully developed, the same as a puppy should not be used to represent an adult dog. Sorry but albino Negros, Albino Dravidians, Albino Asians, etc are NOT White, never will be White, we won't accept them or your Albino mixed raced offspring either. They are NOT of my people and never will be.
Yeah right bullshit, how do you explain this?
You are a liar! I have seen and you can search it up, MANY MANY Whites with broad noses and sloping foreheads! A great example is the Baltid and Borreby phenotypes of Northern Europe!
Heavy jawline, and whether they are kids or not DOES NOT PROVE ANYTHING YOU IDIOT! I AM MAKING AN ARGUMENT OF GENETICS!
And MANY MANY WHITES DO NOT HAVE BLONDE OR BLUE EYES OR VERY PALE SKIN, INFACT I WOULD DESCRIBE THIS GUY AS THE AVERAGE WHITE EUROPEAN!
AND THESE ALBINO'S THAT I HAVE INCLUDED IN THE PICTURES IN MY LAST POSTS ARE ACTUALLY WHITER AND ARE MORE BLONDER THEN THESE ABOVE PEOPLE/AVERAGE WHITES AND HAVE BLUE EYES!
THEREFORE, to say these people are not white is completely ridicules and dumb, because in the presence of black skinned people in the U.S, or in anywhere in the U.S, THESE KIDS WOULD NOT BE THOUGHT OF AS ANYTHING OTHER THEN WHITE BECAUSE THEY LOOK SO WHITE ON THE OUTSIDE!
Infact MANY ACTUAL ALBINO'S IN AMERICA SAY THAT WHITE PEOPLE CONFUSE THEM FOR BEING WHITE PEOPLE!:
quote: Sean Gethers, "Black/African-American" seangethers "A lot of Caucasians think I'm White because they've never run into somebody that has albinism ... At the same time, I don't feel like I’m passing. I can't hide being Black. My nose, my eyes, my lips, my cheekbones. Come on, ain't no white part of me except my skin. You can't judge a book by its cover."
Destiny Birdsong, "African-American/Black" destinybirdsong ALBINO BLACK PERSON: "I've always had a fear of being mistaken for White because you have to deal with people's ignorance ... It's a way that someone can use language to really erase who you are and your own past."
Johanne Stewart, "African-American" joannestewart "Vitiligo is not something that changes you as a person. I may not be the color I used to be, but I am the same person. I don't try to pass myself off as somebody that I'm not. I'm still who I've always been -- a strong Black woman who is very proud to be a part of a race of people that have endured a lot."
How the **** do you explain that you moron? REAL WHITE PEOPLE CONFUSE BLACK ALBINO'S FOR AVERAGE WHITE PEOPLE IN AMERICA!
THEREFORE THESE ALBINO'S IN THE ABOVE PICTURES AND ALBINO'S ARE WHITE PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE ARE ALBINO'S!
And if you LOOK AT THE EUROPEAN GENETIC TABLE I POSTED, YOU SEE THAT EURO-MUTTS AND EUROPEANS HAVE BLACK AFRICAN GENES AND GENETIC HAPLOGROUPS LIKE BULGARIANS, GREEKS, IRISH, ALBANIANS YET THEY LOOK WHITE, ARE INCLUDED AS WHITES, AND ARE SEEN AS WHITE PEOPLE! HOW IS THAT SO?
AND THESE ALBINO'S ARE JUST AS WHITE AS THEM, HAVE THE EXACT SAME GENES AS EUROPEANS, AND GET MISTAKEN FOR REGULAR WHITE PEOPLE!
Hence only an idiot wouldn't realize these albino's are not White people!
Posted by CelticWarrioress (Member # 19701) on :
MOM,
Give it up. Sorry your Negros that are Albinos are NOT White, they are just as Black as you are. The only way they'd be mistaken for White is from a distance where all you see is their skin color. No you dumbass Albinos are not White people unless they are an Albino White person & Whites are not Albinos unless they are an actual Albino.
Posted by Mindovermatter (Member # 22317) on :
quote:Originally posted by CelticWarrioress: MOM,
Give it up. Sorry your Negros that are Albinos are NOT White, they are just as Black as you are. The only way they'd be mistaken for White is from a distance where all you see is their skin color. No you dumbass Albinos are not White people unless they are an Albino White person & Whites are not Albinos unless they are an actual Albino.
Good god you are such an idiot, it's unimaginable!
If Black Albino's are confused for white people IN AMERICA, HOW ARE THE BRAZILLIAN ALBINO'S NOT WHITE IF THEY DO NOT HAVE NEGROID FEATURES AND HOW ARE WHITE PEOPLE NOT ALBINO'S IF THEY CONFUSE BLACK ALBINO'S FOR WHITE PEOPLE IN AMERICA?
How are White people not albino's if white people share the exact same Caucasian features as South Asians and Middle Eastern people AND THEIR ALBINO'S LOOK LIKE EACH OTHER?
How are White people NOT ALBINO'S IF WHITE RACISTS SEPARATE SOUTH ASIANS AND MIDDLE EASTERNERS AS BEING RACIALLY CAUCASOID AND NOT BLACK WITH HAVING CAUCASIAN FEATURES AND THEIR ALBINO'S ARE SEEN AS WHITES BY THEIR OWN PEOPLES AND HAVE SKIN/HAIR TONES SIMILAR TO WHITE EUROPEAN PEOPLES?
quote: The only way they'd be mistaken for White is from a distance where all you see is their skin color.
Good you have admitted that albinism results in white skin, that to the untrained eye, looks like the skin color features of regular White Europeans. Therefore WHITE EUROPEANS HAVE TO BE ALBINO'S IF THAT IS THE CASE!
And HOW ARE THESE ALBINO'S NOT WHITE IF WHITES SUPPOSEDLY PRODUCE THEIR OWN ALBINO'S THAT HAVE SIMILAR SKIN TONES AND LOOK THE EXACT SAME AS INDIAN ALBINO'S AND INDIAN ALBINO'S HAVE THEIR OWN ALBINO'S THAT LOOK LIKE REGULAR WHITE PEOPLE?
Logic idiot, logic! Use it even though it's a challenge for mental retards like yourself!
The evidence has already been provided, and these albino's look and pass off as white to any sane regular intelligent person that has seen them IRL. Indian albino's look like regular white people as has been shown and posted here many times.
Therefore it's a FACT that whites people ARE ALBINO'S! I don't care if you accept this fact or not at this point since it's not my problem if you don't!
Posted by Child Of The KING (Member # 9422) on :
The Computer Pond Scum.
People So Obsessed with posting selfies(selfish) and babbling about stupidness that there brain get smaller and smaller.
Brainwashed People even Post When there Family member dies and cry about some ting called crowd funding ......
People Try and support Support News Papers and Television, at least reading Stories from Reporters on paper and Ink hard to delete and Guess What,
The Reporters Newspaper articles Word Counts Way Higher then 18 words Bahaha twitter a stupid website.
Never looked at the website twitter, yet searching for pictures you see these dumb 10 word posts and then you see they from a sewer called twitter
Adults developing A.D.D attention deficit disorder when Brainwashed People afraid to write words bigger then 3 letters
you see tings like "ey u 8" WHATS THE BABBLER YAPPING ABOUT???
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