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Some years ago the then doctoral student Sayaka Osanami Törngren made an investigation into the racial and ethnic preferences among the inhabitants of the Swedish town Malmoe. She found a sort of hierarchy regarding who was most attractive as a partner.
This is how many of the respondents answered "Yes" on the question, "Would you have a relationship with a person of following group?"
The majority of the respondents were ethnic Swedes.
Swedes 97% Scandinavians 89% Western Europeans 89% South Europeans 85% Adopted Latin Americans 76% Central/East Europeans 74% Latin Americans 73% Adopted East Asians 68% Adopted Africans 66% South/East Asians 64% Africans 60% Middle Easterners 59%
She found that both cultural factors and looks decided who the respondents preferred. Adopted people share the same culture as the majority population, but still some groups were deemed not so desirable because of their looks.
The list is from a lecture with Sayaka Osanami Törngren. She also wrote a doctoral dissertation about the same subject
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^ Objectively beauty is based on ratio and proportions, but other than that there is a personal psychological preference involved. Most persons tend to have in-group preference for mates based on simple familiarity while others may develop exotic affinity.
That said, while interracial or inter-ethnic pairings are definitely based on the personal choices of individuals involved, I can't help but notice that it is being pushed as an agenda in mass media. In order or an ethnic or even a perceived 'racial' group to persist it must have some sort of integrity involved. For example, the majority of Swedes intermarried with say Greeks, would their descendants be equally Swedish?? The answer is obviously no, but intermixture even on a mass scale as happened before.-- modern Europeans being descended from a mixture of aboriginal hunter-gatherers with Neolithic immigrants from Southwest Asia and North Africa. It seems such migrations are happening again albeit engineered by powerful people.
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It seems ideologies and trends regarding interracial relations are shifting. Not long ago countries like USA, South Africa and Australia had anti-miscegenation laws, and in many other countries interracial relations were not encouraged, even if it was not directly forbidden. For example in the 1920s Sweden had even a governmental institute for racial biology which conducted race research and which tried to keep the Swedish race "pure". In the policy to keep the race pure sterilisations was one of the methods.
But nowadays mixed relations are more or less encouraged, if not by the state directly but indirectly through commercials, media and other means. Maybe there is a thought behind that if everyone mix with each other it will be the end of racism.
Otherwise as you said people have always mixed. Even the first groups who immigrated after the ice age mixed. WHG mixed with EHG and the result was the Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers (SHG). 6000 years ago the first farmers with roots in the Middle East arrived and c 5000 years ago people with roots in the Eastern steppes arrived partly replacing earlier peoples. In Northern Scandinavia the old hunter gatherers mixed with peoples with their roots in Ural and Siberia some time during the late bronze age.
After that there has now and then arrived smaller groups of people. Today we have an immigration which is the highest since the stone age. Interracial marriages and mixing is perhaps seen as a way to integrate all these new people into society.
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^ That cover issue from Time is a perfect example of what I mean-- Time magazine being one of several media fronts for the CIA. Miscegenation is a campaign by elite groups to be imposed on the masses. In the past, miscegenation between peoples was done on a more natural basis usually as alliances between neighboring populations or trying to achieve higher status by intermarrying with newer more technologically dominant groups such as Middle Eastern agriculturalist in the Neolithic or Indo-European speakers during the Chalcolithic. More importantly miscegenation was/is done first and foremost at an individual level with partners choosing their spouses unless forced into marriage.
What is happening today is an attempt at social engineering with the dissolution of the integrity of ethnicities and not jus by 'race'. So-called people of color are just being used as pawns to do so. By the way, my mother is married to a white man so I'm not against interracial marriage or miscegenation per say, but I am against blatant social conditioning from the top by those who think themselves controllers.
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^^^ Are you partially white...or is he your step dad?
BTW I don't think that Magazine cover is talking about Race Mixing or Miscegenation as you call it but the Influx of Immigrats to the US, where the average American will be either brown or mixed similar to Brazil
I honestly think the magazine's prediction is reflecting reality
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^ He's my stepfather and I have a younger half-sister who is half-white. And yes I know there is a difference between mass migration and miscegenation, but both are being engineered.
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Especially in Europe they want foreigners to integrate, or rather assimilate into the local culture. And an effective way to do that is through marriage with locals. They probably hope that the children of these mixed marriages would be more integrated, and even more the next generation. In that way the minorities will more or less disappear in a few generations.
Maybe the thoughts are somewhat similar in USA. Interracial marriages maybe could be an antidote against segregation.
People in some European countries are sometimes a bit surprised that minorities in USA continue to live side by side for many generations without so much mixing.
Few European countries had regular anti-miscegenation laws as the one parts of USA had until 1967. Hitlers Germany was one of those who had, and in some British colonies there were at least social hindrances for mixed relations. In Europe itself people seldom were thrown in jail for interracial dating and marriage.
But today both in USA and some European countries racial mixing is perhaps seen as a tool for assimilating minorities into the majority society.
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I don't think people loving who they want or moving where they want is bad at all, but all these people in the Global South feeling that they have to leave their homes to get a better life cannot be a good thing. Ideally, their native countries would have the chance to develop stronger economies so that their citizens wouldn't feel the need to leave, but the neo-colonialists who profit off exploiting those countries have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.
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^ As I said, this pressure on the so-called 'global southern' nations is being engineered by the same controllers. They want them to flee their own nations en masse so the controllers can move in and take over their resources which the 'global south' is actually richest in.
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A curious historical example of trying to assimilate people (in this case the Romani people) through racial mixing was Austrian empress Maria Theresias decree from 1773 which
quote:...prohibited marriages between the Roma. Mixed marriages were encouraged by subsidies. Permission to get married, however, was bound to an attestation of “a proper way of life and knowledge of the Catholic religious doctrine”. Since the empress and her counsellors were of the opinion that the “civilisation” of the “Gypsies” was the basis for a successful “domiciliation”, she ordered that all children over the age of five should be taken away from their parents and be handed over to Hungarian farmers’ families who were supposed to take charge of their Christian upbringing against payment. The children should grow up isolated from their parents in different comitatuses, go to school and later learn a trade or become farmers.
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: Especially in Europe they want foreigners to integrate, or rather assimilate into the local culture. And an effective way to do that is through marriage with locals. They probably hope that the children of these mixed marriages would be more integrated, and even more the next generation. In that way the minorities will more or less disappear in a few generations.
Are you sure about that? When I was in Sweden, most mixed couples I saw was with whites males and Asian women, a demographic group with presumably little integration problems. And I could be wrong, but walking around peeping the night life, as well as during the day, there seemed to be a widespread/general distrust for foreigners on the streets (although mostly expressed in subtle ways).
Maybe Lioness can chime in, she had her location as Sweden in the past. (*chortled chuckle*).
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ As I said, this pressure on the so-called 'global southern' nations is being engineered by the same controllers. They want them to flee their own nations en masse so the controllers can move in and take over their resources which the 'global south' is actually richest in.
If you look at what the French did in West Africa (ie the bs that nobody is talking about and that the coups all over French speaking WA former colonies are a reaction to), it wouldn't surprise me if people in power with that level of predatory thinking still exist.
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I see what you did there, with the deflection.
The Netherlands is very low on my list of countries I want to stay in.
In Sweden, I didn't know if I felt welcome or if there was some racial context/baggage I was walking into, that everyone knew about, but I didn't (maybe the gangs/bombings have ppl on edge? Your location was Sweden, do let me know ). It felt like I was alternating between those two experiences while I was there (ppl were often distant or surprisingly friendly).
So, not Swedenet, and not Nethernet.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet Are you sure about that? When I was in Sweden, most mixed couples I saw was with whites males and Asian women, a demographic group with presumably little integration problems. And I could be wrong, but walking around peeping the night life, as well as during the day, there seemed to be a widespread/general distrust for foreigners on the streets (although mostly expressed in subtle ways).
The people that is considered most hard to integrate here are muslims from both the Middle East and Africa (especially from Somalia). If you see the commercials it more often shows Africans or Middle Easterners in relations with Swedes. This can be a way to reach new customers, but some also see it as an ideologically motivated trend. Also some politicians have expressed the idea that maybe marriages, could be a way to integrate immigrants. But there are no official governmental policy regarding mixed marriages. But there is a desire to integrate them.
People in general also want to integrate the muslims and Africans, but not necessarily through marriage. Many Swedes instead feel that the immigration from non European countries must stop, or decrease. When it concern Asian (especially South East Asian) immigrants they are rather few and many of them are as you said women in relationships with Swedish men.
Swedes overall do not often overtly express any hostility towards the immigrants (at least not when they -the Swedes- are sober), they do not want to be called racist, but many are suspicious of them. But instead of confrontation many people try to avoid them or not let them into their social circles (which affects the immigrants chances to get jobs, or to get into relationships, or friendship, with Swedes). In return many muslim immigrants seem hostile against the Swedish society, both because they feel excluded and also because of cultural reasons. Overall a larger amount of non European immigrants is a relatively new phenomena here (it is just a few decades old) so Swedes have not yet come to grips with it.
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When concern interracial dating in Sweden some East Asian and South East Asian men have written articles in magazines and newspapers that they feel undesired by Swedish women. Also adopted Asian men are undesired despite they growing up within the Swedish culture. And the worst, according to them, is that they also feel undesired by Asian women in Sweden. As a contrast Asian women are rather popular and wanted as romantic partners. I have seen videos and read articles from East/South East Asian men in USA too who express the same feelings.
quote:Originally posted by Swenet Are you sure about that? When I was in Sweden, most mixed couples I saw was with whites males and Asian women, a demographic group with presumably little integration problems. And I could be wrong, but walking around peeping the night life, as well as during the day, there seemed to be a widespread/general distrust for foreigners on the streets (although mostly expressed in subtle ways).
The people that is considered most hard to integrate here are muslims from both the Middle East and Africa (especially from Somalia). If you see the commercials it more often shows Africans or Middle Easterners in relations with Swedes. This can be a way to reach new customers, but some also see it as an ideologically motivated trend. Also some politicians have expressed the idea that maybe marriages, could be a way to integrate immigrants. But there are no official governmental policy regarding mixed marriages. But there is a desire to integrate them.
People in general also want to integrate the muslims and Africans, but not necessarily through marriage. Many Swedes instead feel that the immigration from non European countries must stop, or decrease. When it concern Asian (especially South East Asian) immigrants they are rather few and many of them are as you said women in relationships with Swedish men.
Swedes overall do not often overtly express any hostility towards the immigrants (at least not when they -the Swedes- are sober), they do not want to be called racist, but many are suspicious of them. But instead of confrontation many people try to avoid them or not let them into their social circles (which affects the immigrants chances to get jobs, or to get into relationships, or friendship, with Swedes). In return many muslim immigrants seem hostile against the Swedish society, both because they feel excluded and also because of cultural reasons. Overall a larger amount of non European immigrants is a relatively new phenomena here (it is just a few decades old) so Swedes have not yet come to grips with it.
I see. Thanks for clarifying.
quote:Originally posted by Archeopteryx: When concern interracial dating in Sweden some East Asian and South East Asian men have written articles in magazines and newspapers that they feel undesired by Swedish women. Also adopted Asian men are undesired despite they growing up within the Swedish culture. And the worst, according to them, is that they also feel undesired by Asian women in Sweden. As a contrast Asian women are rather popular and wanted as romantic partners. I have seen videos and read articles from East/South East Asian men in USA too who express the same feelings.
Damn, i didn't know that. Is there a type of Asian phenotype within the Asian population that would do well with Swedish women? Maybe someone who looks like Jason Scott Lee or someone like Mark Dacascos. I would be surprised if they'd have a hard time.
I'm assuming Polynesians would have different experiences? From what little I've seen, they do well dating outside of their race in western societies where they're represented like Australia. One example is Jason Momoa, who dated cosby actress Lisa Bonet.
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Watched the first half of that vid, and right away I can say, he seems way too negative about things boiling down to "biological facts".
I'm not sure about his comment that a number of white women have told him their reasons for dating black men is purely sexual. I've never heard or seen women admitting freely that their reasons for dating black males is because of that reason (even if it's true, which it is in some cases, as we know from sex tourism, I doubt many of them would admit that to him). A more typical response of white woman who is asked about her interest in black men is to deflect (e.g. say she's also dated other races), than to volunteer all that info to someone they barely know. When he said that I knew he's mixing facts with his own opinions and insecurities.
I do get his point overall, but he's not helping himself by resigning to his "biological facts".
EDIT At the end he lost me when he blamed black men for why white males like Asian women. But still interesting watch as far the experiences of different ppl.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Damn, i didn't know that. Is there a type of Asian phenotype within the Asian population that would do well with Swedish women? Maybe someone who looks like Jason Scott Lee or someone like Mark Dacascos. I would be surprised if they'd have a hard time.
I'm assuming Polynesians would have different experiences? From what little I've seen, they do well dating outside of their race in western societies where they're represented like Australia. One example is Jason Momoa, who dated cosby actress Lisa Bonet.
Those Asian men here in Sweden who has written about it claims that height is one factor, many Swedish women seem to think Asian men are too short. But they also blame media who often have portraid Asian men as a bit weak and not so manly, maybe a bit nerdy. Why Asian women in the west often prefer white men can have something to do with that some of them having internalized old racial and colonialist thinking which holds up the white man as the pinnacle of evolution. When it concerns adopted Asian women here they are raised by white Swedish families, went to Swedish schools and overall adopted Swedish values including dating preferences. And they are usually well accepted as partners by Swedish men.
When comes to film stars I presume they are usually more sought after than ordinary men. Fame and status do their things.
There are few Polynesians here so I do not know how popular they are among Swedish women. But I think that for example Jason Momoa is seen as an attractive guy.
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^Makes sense. Swedes are among the tallest ppl in the world. And I can vouch that height is good thing to have while dating. I'm not tall in the Netherlands where my height (1.80m+) is common for males, but in other countries I may benefit.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: I see what you did there, with the deflection.
The Netherlands is very low on my list of countries I want to stay in.
In Sweden, I didn't know if I felt welcome or if there was some racial context/baggage I was walking into, that everyone knew about, but I didn't (maybe the gangs/bombings have ppl on edge? Your location was Sweden, do let me know ). It felt like I was alternating between those two experiences while I was there (ppl were often distant or surprisingly friendly).
So, not Swedenet, and not Nethernet.
I've never been to Sweden. You have lived in both places but are currently in neither one?
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