After posting to tL promising to comply with any demands when shown specifically where meant I would erase or delete any occurancea, in response to an 4 hr window ultimatum (hoping it would be missed upon such short notice not allowing for the possibility of sleep or living a human life offline.
The vital info will be reposted here.
Subbing Archie for the long write-out Archeopterix (however it's spelled) seems to be a capital offense but Archie's black baiting was fair play.
The unreconstructed faces of men certified to be Philistine
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An actual Philistine portrayed as a captive on a tile from Medinet Habu, Palace of Ramesses III.
Boston Museum used to sell it as a bookmark. I received a set of three as a spousal gift back in the 1980's.
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Previous post offers standard Eurocentric hypocrisy and supremacist paternalism.
Art is no good unless Archie posts it and then modern reconstructions are best?
An attitude that places a poster above and beyond replying to the regular long standing membership and chides the whole forum as if chasting children.
"Trying our best to indoctrinate the ignorant savages to the standards of white civilization. Colonizing the brain works. Colonizing the land doesn't."
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The very title itself announces inauthenticity. On the right is 'Lost Faces of the Bible: Delilah'. Reminds me of a Euro-Dominican lady I know. She agrees. Hidalgo 'tude and all.
Why should two oversized faces be the last and final word of the original locked down Earliest Picture of an Israelite thread? They are modern, look nothing like any of the ancient art presented throughout that thread. In fact anyone wanting to keep the discussion rolling can cut/copy from there and go on and make a reply or brand new post right here. Posted by HotepBoy (Member # 23417) on :
Closest people to ancient Israelites :
So overall close to modern samaritans and christian minorities.
Posted by -Just Call Me Jari- (Member # 14451) on :
I feel like the Samaratans and Yemeni Jews are the closest to what the ancient Israelites looked like...
Personally, I lean towards the original Israelites and other Bronze Age Palestinians resembling the yellow-brown "Asiatic" immigrants depicted in the Middle Kingdom tomb of Beni Hassan: The darker Asiatics (e.g. the Shashu Tukuler posted earlier), on the other hand, might represent a gradient between the former population and Nile Valley Africans.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
^ Imaginative personal feelings are fine for fantasy art & yarns, and fireside chit chat. For even rudimentary academic discussion we rely on artifacts and primary documentation. Shasu were north Sinai, south Israel and south Jordan inhabitants.
The well known colour gradient is indeed dark to light as one travels the Rift Valley north from Kush to Phoenicia via Red Sea, Gulf of Aqaba, Jordan River, and on up to the Rock (Taurus Zagros Caucasus). Here's why ( https://www.google.com/search?q=site:egyptsearch.com+daryal )
Arvad is just past where the Rift ends. For whatever it's worth Massey (1881) records AE using a colour epithet "pale degraded race of Arvad". If vetted, it describes the colour cline's north norm where are also certain Retjenu (pale w/fire beards) Aamw discussed last season. Why doesn't corresponding "vile Kush" mention colour? Something's up.
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In search of pre-"Israelites"?
Seek men wearing the forerunner of the Jewish ssiyssith. They'll have precisely four of them dangling from a four cornered garment wrapped around from navel almost to knee. They appear to be the under class of their fellow Canaanites. Kinda backs up the Israelite origins as once lowland K*na'ani disgruntled with Egyptian hegemony over Canaan's rulers and their consequential subservience to both.
Six ssiyssiyth wearers are uniformly beige. One of the two dark ones is of higher class. The other struggles to balance and carry a huge ornate jar with a gold wrought animal head 'cork'.
The Seti Book of Gates Aamw fly ssiyssiyth
Can only see two of his four ssissiyth
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quote:Originally posted by HotepBoy: Closest people to ancient Israelites :
So overall close to modern samaritans and christian minorities.
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Hmm, Levant Hazor MLBA Levant Megiddo IBA Levant Megiddo IA Levant Abel IA Levant Ashkelon IA2 as ancient Judah and Israel
Confirmation of people leaving the Rock to enter the Levant and Mesopotamia in [url= https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2020.04.024 Agranat-Tamir et al (2020)[/url]
Posted by Ebony Allen (Member # 12771) on :
Israelites were and still are black. End of story.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
@ Ebony
Epilogue:
Do some Jewish populations harbor absorbed Israelite genes?
Would that afford them Israelite identity?
Posted by xyyman (Member # 13597) on :
Not sure this is on point and may lend to this thread.
But doing some research I came across a Documentary on Botswana about it being one of the fastest growing economy in the world(not only in Africa) and how it has transformed itself over the last 50years from a very poor country. During the documentary it was compared to other African countries at the time. It showed the flag of Nigeria/Biafra from 1900’s to the 1960s. I was shocked to see this flag as the Nigerian flag up to the 1960’s.
I did a somewhat deep dive and learned that Judaism is a big part of West Africans in general. This Flag was flown in Nigeria BEFORE it was part of the Isreali flag.
Posted by Tukuler (Member # 19944) on :
Could it be British Israelite from the colonizer?
I tink Rwanda, among others, had/has a 6 pt star(s), which ain't even particularly Hebrew and Jews only started using it like 1000 yrs ago. While before this millennium's Ashkenazification, the Seven Branched Menorah was the universal logo of `Am Yisra'el.
Posted by Big O (Member # 23467) on :
quote:Originally posted by BrandonP: Personally, I lean towards the original Israelites and other Bronze Age Palestinians resembling the yellow-brown "Asiatic" immigrants depicted in the Middle Kingdom tomb of Beni Hassan: The darker Asiatics (e.g. the Shashu Tukuler posted earlier), on the other hand, might represent a gradient between the former population and Nile Valley Africans.
The Isrealites were nothing more than Egyptian migrants who moved into the Levant. They held their own basal state in proximity to Kemet. That being said I wouldn't see the Isrealites as anything different than Black Egyptians of the time.
I personally believe that these Isrealites/Egyptian migrants fled to the Americas and West Africa to escape persecution once the Dynasty's collapsed.
I really don't get the obsession with trying to insert mixed race individuals into the picture. Especially given the attitudes that Egyptians had towards non African people. They were considered savages worthy of nothing more than a concubine position. Non Blacks NEVER held the title of pharaoh during the native period. It would be like how Black people today would always reject Eminem being considered any sort of king of our hiphop culture that we created.
Posted by Big O (Member # 23467) on :
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Not sure this is on point and may lend to this thread.
But doing some research I came across a Documentary on Botswana about it being one of the fastest growing economy in the world(not only in Africa) and how it has transformed itself over the last 50years from a very poor country. During the documentary it was compared to other African countries at the time. It showed the flag of Nigeria/Biafra from 1900’s to the 1960s. I was shocked to see this flag as the Nigerian flag up to the 1960’s.
I did a somewhat deep dive and learned that Judaism is a big part of West Africans in general. This Flag was flown in Nigeria BEFORE it was part of the Isreali flag.
WOOOW just I like said, they fled into parts of West Africa as well.
Posted by Ish Geber (Member # 18264) on :
quote:Originally posted by HotepBoy: Closest people to ancient Israelites :
So overall close to modern samaritans and christian minorities.
These results are not shocking, since we know that small component of 3% introgression of a certain component in them migrated to these other places.
quote:For a more scientific take on the Jewish origin debate, recent DNA analysis of Ashkenazic Jews – a Jewish ethnic group – revealed that their maternal line is European. It has also been found that their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry which links them with the Eastern Mediterranean (also known as the Middle East) – namely Israel, Lebanon, parts of Syria, and western Jordan. This is the part of the world Jewish people are said to have originally come from – according to the Old Testament. But 3% is a minuscule amount, and similar to what modern Europeans as a whole share with Neanderthals. So given that the genetic ancestry link is so low, Ashkenazic Jews’ most recent ancestors must be from elsewhere.
(Eran Elhaik, September 5, 2018 7.25am EDT, theconversation.com)
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