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If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
I am just curious. What ladies in Egypt overall think of American men?
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
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Hell no!
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
Do you think egyptian muslim woman?
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
I know an Egyptian woman (Muslim) who married an American guy from here in Michigan. She married him in Egypt. From the pics I've seen her family seemed cool with it. Everyone looked happy and she was an absolutely gorgeous bride. They are a very happy, beautiful couple..mash'allah.
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
I think egyptian muslim women prefer to marry muslim man,not just because of the family,but also because they think he's gonna be better husband, because he's a muslim,but it's not ordinance as you can see Madame M.'s story.
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
The American man converted in order to marry this woman but they aren't very religious. Muslim women MUST marry Muslim men. Otherwise it's considered adultery.
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
I know about that,why do you think is it like that?I mean why muslim can marry another girls with other religion and muslim girl have to marry only muslim man?
Posted by karla (Member # 5472) on :
Because is write into Holy Qu'ran.
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
Sure,I know,but the REASON is....? The problem is that muslims,know Quran but not meaning and answers when someone asks.So why is it like that?
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
The main reason is...according to Islam the child has the religion of his father. Therefore, if a Muslim woman has a child with a Christian or Jewish man the child would be Christian or Jewish. As Muslims we should follow what the Quran (and Sunnah)says. We believe the Quran is the word of God.
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
Unfair!!!Just unfair.Woman is lessful and everything is about the man.Why should have my child be a muslim just because Quran says so?The child has right to choose later what or who is going to be.There is something more important that Quran never said and it is human feelings!So let's give freedom to our kids untill they will be old enough and they will be decide what is a good for them!
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
Calm down, Marcella. When it comes to your own children whatever you do is between you, your hubby, and God. We can't change Islam to please everyone. You gotta take it or leave it. Sorry.
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
Yeah I know,how can you agree with all this?
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
It just seems natural to me. It's my chosen religion not one that my parents or anyone else chose for me. It's not for everyone though.
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
I'm Muslim and I don't agree with it Marce
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
What's wrong with christianity?
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
Nothing is wrong with Christianity. It's one of the 3 monotheistic faiths. I just didn't agree with it so I reverted to Islam.
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lazeez: I'm Muslim and I don't agree with it Marce
What is it?
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
quote:Originally posted by Madame M.: Nothing is wrong with Christianity. It's one of the 3 monotheistic faiths. I just didn't agree with it so I reverted to Islam.
So are you taking ALL islam with everything? You haven't found anything you dont agree with?
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
"it" the claim that Muslim woman can't marry Christian man. In Sudan, a month back, a Muslim woman married a christian man by Fatwa from one of Sudan famous scholars.
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
I think we all have things within our respective religions that we wonder about. But between Islam and Christianity..I find FAR more things I believe in and agree with in Islam. The biggies being..I don't believe Jesus is the son of God nor do I believe he is God in the flesh.
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
quote:Originally posted by Madame M.: I think we all have things within our respective religions that we wonder about. But between Islam and Christianity..I find FAR more things I believe in and agree with in Islam. The biggies being..I don't believe Jesus is the son of God nor do I believe he is God in the flesh.
But no one say Jesus is a real son of God.If you was a christian you should have understand that.
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lazeez: "it" the claim that Muslim woman can't marry Christian man. In Sudan, a month back, a Muslim woman married a christian man by Fatwa from one of Sudan famous scholars.
What is your point?That women in islamic countries are absolutely free to marry whoever thay want to?
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
My point is, not all Muslims believe that Islam prevents Muslim women from marrying Christian men
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
I was Catholic for 20 yrs of my life. I was baptized, took first communion, made confirmation, did confession, took 10 yrs of catechism...I think I understood what they were teaching me. If I had a dime for everytime I heard about Jesus being the son of God I'd be rich. Yeah I understand that God didn't physically impregnate Mary, istafirallah.
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lazeez: My point is, not all Muslims believe that Islam prevents Muslim women from marrying Christian men
Sure but this is not what Islam and Quran says.
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
Marce, you're not the Qur'an, are you?
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lazeez: Marce, you're not the Qur'an, are you?
You are not the one who knows Quran and you know I'm right.And don't be rude.Just try explain why is there such a thing?
Posted by yazid904 (Member # 7708) on :
The Islam of the Prophet (pbuh) is one of equanimity to all Christian and Muslim alike. The problem is the narrowmindedness of many who claim they have divine revelation to destroy but not to educate the women and children of society.
That definately is not Islam. He who speaks against this will figuratively and methaphorically lose his head in the matter!!!
Posted by Marcella (Member # 10978) on :
Posted by newcomer (Member # 1056) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marcella:
quote:Originally posted by Lazeez: Marce, you're not the Qur'an, are you?
You are not the one who knows Quran and you know I'm right.And don't be rude.Just try explain why is there such a thing?
Actually Marcella, Lazeez is correct in what he says, there are some Muslim scholars who do believe that a Muslim woman is not prohibited from marrying a non-Muslim man. It is a minority opinion, based on their interpretation of the Qur'an, and you will find most Muslim scholars disagreeing with it, but this opinion does exist.
There are some things in Islam that are black and white, but there are a lot of areas that are open to interpretation. What you learn as you study the subject more, is whose opinions are the most reliable and based on the most reliable sources.
Posted by With a name like Smuckers (Member # 10289) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
I am just curious. What ladies in Egypt overall think of American men?
Maybe it happens but I never heard of an American man going for an Egyptian girl... you put it in the context of would an egyptian girl like an american guy, I think the biggest question is the other way around. I can't see it happening easily that an american man would be into an egyptian girl, just different and from what I have seen of our american men, they like different things in women, and egyptian women (generally) don't have it.
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
You have a point, Smuckers. Some American men may dig the exotic looks of Egyptian women (kinda like how we dig the men ) but I don't know if they would deal with some of their behaviors.
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
And what exactly about the American men that makes them unable to communicate with non American women? less communication skills than American women?
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
I am just curious. What ladies in Egypt overall think of American men?
Well, decent Egyptian families don't like to give their girls out to Non Egyptians, it's a protective beaviour. As for the ladies, for most of them I bet marrying non Egyptian isn't something that corsses their minds unlike many Egyptian men who think of marrying Non Egyptian particulary western women usually for a reason related to the difficulty of marrying an Egyptian woman.
Egyptian men are traditionally discribed in a way that makes the choice of non Egyptian man usually a last resort except for women who have a good contact with non Egyptians and can find something different than what they grew up on.
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
By less communication skills does that mean we don't yell and screech like banshees and have a voices like snakes?
quote:Originally posted by Lazeez: And what exactly about the American men that makes them unable to communicate with non American women? less communication skills than American women?
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
American men voices didn't sound to me like snake talk. Is that how they sound like to American women?
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
No..American mens' voices vary. I was talking about the Egy women when I referred to the snake like voices.
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
Stupid remarks worth no comment ...
Posted by charm el feikh? (Member # 10243) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lazeez: Stupid remarks worth no comment ...
yet you couldnt resist commenting huh?!
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
I haven't had my morning coffee yet, ya reis. Forgive me for my stupidity. Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
reis? I'm not your cab driver ya set
No problem. I changed my mind, wont be sneding that post to your MIL
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
My MIL has a cute voice actually. I was referring to women I heard on the street.
I didn't mean you're a cab driver
Ah well ya know what I meant Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
quote:Originally posted by Madame M.: My MIL has a cute voice actually.
Ah! Aren't you just a good ass kisser?
You see, pleasing the MIL and winning her to your side is very important to Egyptian women. That makes you Egyptian in away.
Work on your voice as well to get full Egyptian profile.
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
I have a sleepy voice not sure if I could get more pitch or hiss into it. Posted by Dalia* (Member # 10593) on :
quote:Originally posted by Madame M.: I didn't mean you're a cab driver
You did, but probably not intentionally.
Ya rais is being used to address cab drivers, bauwabs etc., for an educated person you would use different expressions.
Posted by Dalia* (Member # 10593) on :
quote:Originally posted by With a name like Smuckers: Maybe it happens but I never heard of an American man going for an Egyptian girl...
I have. And I've also seen men of German and other nationalities falling in love with Egyptian women and eventually marrying them.
Posted by _Masrawi_ (Member # 9597) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dalia*: Ya rais is being used to address cab drivers, bauwabs etc., for an educated person you would use different expressions.
not true.
Posted by Dalia* (Member # 10593) on :
I wouldn't address my doctor with ya rais maybe you would. Posted by _Masrawi_ (Member # 9597) on :
bad example dalia.
u wouldnt address your doctor in egypt with anything BUT "ya doctoor" ... unless u wanna risk losing a kidney in that operation u had scheduled.
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
I was told that the term "ya rais" meant my teacher or something like that. So that's what I was meaning.
Posted by gypsyprincess1 (Member # 11312) on :
As for Jesus being the son of God...and God in flesh..in the bible as Christians we believe in the the one in three concept. Therein lies the main diffence between the Muslim and Christian faith who for sure are led to believe that jesus is the son of God, and infact is three in one. But, all of this is open for interpretation after all..it has been transcribed by men...and we must choose to believe it if we call ourselves Christian. Just as muslims prefer to believe he was a phrophet and they do believe he will return again..just as we do. If you ask me...I say, religion is a label...and it is a very personal and sacred thing to be spiritually connected to God. Why must we all label one another????? Too bad for the segretation of the girls who are muslim..but most probably as has been the comments...they aren't missing something they wouldn't think of in the first place.
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
quote:Originally posted by Madame M.: I was told that the term "ya rais" meant my teacher or something like that. So that's what I was meaning.
Teacher is ostaz. Rais is the boss. The biggest boss in Egypt is Mubarak. So people and ministers call on Mubarak by the word "ya rais" too.
I was only joking because I thought it was you who said that your husband use the word with cab drivers.
It seems like Egyptians have twisted alot of titles and used them with people who are not qualified to the title to flatter them, like the word Basha, Beh or Bash Muhandis.
Posted by With a name like Smuckers (Member # 10289) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lazeez: And what exactly about the American men that makes them unable to communicate with non American women? less communication skills than American women?
I know what you mean, maybe we American women understand them more because it is primariy women raising the men anyway....but their communication skills to me are very evident
Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
Wont this make them your only match because Egyptian men or any men from other countries were not raised by you American women? By your reasoning, none should marry from another country!
I don't see where this thinking is coming from when there are uncountable number of American men marrying Asian, African and Latin American women! I know three of them in Egypt married to Egyptian women, so, all I can say is that you're stereotyping for some reasons I'm not interested to think of.
Posted by With a name like Smuckers (Member # 10289) on :
No i never implied that because non american men were primarily raised by women that they should be the only match for American women only, you seem quite defensive. Also if you notice i said MAYBE, as if I am putting out a hypothosis and not that it is MY reasoning. You seem to have some personal stake in this and I don't know why that is. I think there are lots of reasons why foreigners hook up with other foreigners, i was simply throwing one possibility out for the sake of american men. If you're not interested then why reply?? Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
Have you forgotten that you were the one who said earlier "I can't see it happening easily that an american man would be into an egyptian girl, just different and from what I have seen of our american men, they like different things in women, and egyptian women (generally) don't have it." and when asked about the REASON for this claim your answer was "maybe we American women understand them more because it is primariy women raising the men anyway."
I asked for the reason behind your claim, what am I suppose to expect other than what YOU think is the reason! but then this REASON you gave makes women in general unqalified to any man from other countries as I explained before. Now you say that was not necessary your reasoning. Whose reasoning is it? Is there Smuckers1 and Smuckers 2, I should know of?
quote:No i never implied that because non american men were primarily raised by women that they should be the only match for American women only
I didn't say you did!
quote:I think there are lots of reasons why foreigners hook up with other foreigners, i was simply throwing one possibility out for the sake of american men.
Sharon asked about whether Egyptian women would like the idea of marrying American man. She could have simply asked for what American men think of this idea if she wanted to know and she didn't imply anything about what American men think of this idea!For no reason you got defensive by your admission and wanted to put another possibility for American man sake which I wouldn't have any problem with except that you extended your defense to a negative remark about Egyptian women by saying that the biggest question is not if Egyptian women will take an American man or not. This is like saying Egyptian women will accept any American man and now we should realize that American men wont like Egyptian women for many reasons , so it doesn't matter what Egyptian women think about this.
quote: f you're not interested then why reply??
I said I'm not interested in the reasons behind your negative remarks not the argument you gave here. The reasons could be a bad experince on ES, or in life, or you have Egyptian co-wife you hate or MIL. Loads of possibilities and I'm not interested to know which is which.
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari (Member # 8356) on :
quote:Originally posted by With a name like Smuckers:
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
I am just curious. What ladies in Egypt overall think of American men?
Maybe it happens but I never heard of an American man going for an Egyptian girl... I can't see it happening easily that an american man would be into an egyptian girl, just different and from what I have seen of our american men, they like different things in women, and egyptian women (generally) don't have it.
We might be not as fat as American women, but I sure had some American men chasing my butt for some time.
But you would never meet those men because they would never come near Shebin elKoom!
Take D., a professor at the AUC, who was crying when I told him I did not want to marry him, or J., an American diplomat who had a svere crush on me but it wasn't mutual, or B., a manager in an international consulting company who was dying to have me but I'm not that kind..
Yeah it happens Smuck..
But hey that was not your first dumb post!
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari (Member # 8356) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
I am just curious. What ladies in Egypt overall think of American men?
Yes I would.
But then again, you can't ask someone what they think of a whole nation of men!
Most of the American men I met were doctors, professors or diplomats, which makes me very positive about my experience with the way they are..
But I married and a German and "I'm lovin' it".
Posted by fbi3 (Member # 11413) on :
hello, i agree with you madam M, you are absolutely right
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
quote:Originally posted by With a name like Smuckers:
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
I am just curious. What ladies in Egypt overall think of American men?
Maybe it happens but I never heard of an American man going for an Egyptian girl... you put it in the context of would an egyptian girl like an american guy, I think the biggest question is the other way around. I can't see it happening easily that an american man would be into an egyptian girl, just different and from what I have seen of our american men, they like different things in women, and egyptian women (generally) don't have it.
oh really? i was actually asked out by a very presistent american man. and when i said no because he is not muslim, he became very angry and wouln't leave me alone for two weeks.
i also have two other friends married to american men
Posted by Ngeg (Member # 1271) on :
quote:Originally posted by With a name like Smuckers:
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
Maybe it happens but I never heard of an American man going for an Egyptian girl... you put it in the context of would an egyptian girl like an american guy, I think the biggest question is the other way around. I can't see it happening easily that an american man would be into an egyptian girl, just different and from what I have seen of our american men, they like different things in women, and egyptian women (generally) don't have it.
Now that's the first time i ever hear such a thing. In the past 5 yrs i have witnessed not less than 6 marriages between Egy women and American men. (Plus at least another 5 canadian) From what i see, American men not only find egyptian women exotic, but also good wives and mothers. Not a single marriage of these ended up in divorce or even any disagreements.
Really, there's always a first time!!!
Posted by Ngeg (Member # 1271) on :
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *:
quote:Originally posted by With a name like Smuckers:
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
Maybe it happens but I never heard of an American man going for an Egyptian girl...
oh really? i was actually asked out by a very presistent american man.
7ayat, were have u been all that time??? Updates please!!!
Posted by Ngeg (Member # 1271) on :
quote:Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
quote:Originally posted by With a name like Smuckers:
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
I am just curious. What ladies in Egypt overall think of American men?
Maybe it happens but I never heard of an American man going for an Egyptian girl...
We might be not as fat as American women, but I sure had some American men chasing my butt for some time.
Hahahahahaaaaaaaaa Bas bas kefaya im chocking on my lunch now!!!!
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ngeg:
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *:
quote:Originally posted by With a name like Smuckers:
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': If you are an Egyptian woman would you ever date/engage/marry an American?
Maybe it happens but I never heard of an American man going for an Egyptian girl...
oh really? i was actually asked out by a very presistent american man.
7ayat, were have u been all that time??? Updates please!!!
mawgooda fel donia nothing new under the sun. how about you? still in dubai?
Posted by Ngeg (Member # 1271) on :
Is it cold in sydney now? How's the job search going?
I'm still in Dubai. Almost sent all my valuable suff back home. So it's a matter of time now.
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
ahh it's freezing, and raining all the time! i never saw so much rain in my life! but the good thing is, sydney has great summers so i'm looking forward to that!
as for work, well i found a part time job elhamdullelah. but i'm still looking for something better
Posted by Ngeg (Member # 1271) on :
quote:Originally posted by * 7ayat *: as for work, well i found a part time job elhamdullelah. but i'm still looking for something better
Hey! Mabrook...this is gr8 news begad. EnshaAllah, u ll find a good full time job. But like we used to say in Egypt: it's always easier to jump between jobs than to start from scratch. Yaani u r almost there.
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
i hope so inshallah.did you decide what you want to do, when you move to egypt?
Posted by Ngeg (Member # 1271) on :
Not yet. But by the time I get home it will be Ramadan, so i will relaaaaaax and enjoy. Then take things as they come.
Uffffff how can we edit our posts now..i wrote choking with a c before the k and want to correct eh! Eh el sakhafa dih?
Posted by QueenBee (Member # 9378) on :
Errr, can't speak for the egyptian ladies, as I ain't one, but... I think in a lot of poor countries you can see women marry for $$$ - they got their mind on their money and their money on their mind. So the prohibition about marrying non-moslem men probably helps to keep them from marrying all kinds of guys for the uh "lifestyle" he will provide (gack). But don't forget that there are PLENTY of American moslems, and the number is ever-growing. So Egy girl could marry converted brotha from the US.
Posted by * 7ayat * (Member # 7043) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ngeg: Not yet. But by the time I get home it will be Ramadan, so i will relaaaaaax and enjoy. Then take things as they come.
Uffffff how can we edit our posts now..i wrote choking with a c before the k and want to correct eh! Eh el sakhafa dih?
ahhha matfakareneesh be ramadan! ana mesh 3arfa ha3mal eh men gheir ahly fel shahr dah begad
Posted by Ngeg (Member # 1271) on :
Żou will survive. And it will be fun. It's yr first year with yr hubby..faragih 3alkonafa wel2atayef shaklohom eh feramadan You'll be fine akeed.
Posted by Micia (Member # 2907) on :
I have dated an american man for 2 years and he was the "LOVE of my life"...
What's wrong with any nationality if he feels. understands u?
Posted by mike rozier (Member # 10852) on :
nothing is wrong with it, I myself have had many egyption female women throw themselfs at me..
but being a moral man I have allways talked to them about being a lil less flirtaious, not just rushing into some kinda orgy love thing with me..
I've allways told them that if our love is true we must act responsibly...
of course in their burning desire for me, they begin to hate me for being an achor of morality..
but it's the price I feel I must pay..
Posted by With a name like Smuckers (Member # 10289) on :
jees I give an opinion of what I have witnessed and the egyptian women FREAK OUT. also when I said egyptian women have qualities american men wouldn't like, I meant good things. I have the highest respect for egyptian women and think american men wouldn't be as intrested in them because they aren't so easy. but if anyone else wants to get defensive and assume things, go ahead.
Posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari (Member # 8356) on :
quote:Originally posted by mike rozier: I have allways
For a better night of good sleep I suggest you switch to tampons.
Posted by mike rozier (Member # 10852) on :
quote:Originally posted by MyKingdomForATaba2Koshari:
quote:Originally posted by mike rozier: I have allways
For a better night of good sleep I suggest you switch to tampons.
don't hate me because Im beutiful..
Posted by cairobug (Member # 10571) on :
With a name like Smuckers
quote: I have the highest respect for egyptian women and think american men wouldn't be as intrested in them because they aren't so easy.
I agree with u smuckers, I always figured if the guy was looking to eventually get some and egyptian girls aren't like that then what's the point of pursuing. But they do, for reasons beyond me?
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because he's a muslim,but it's not ordinance as you can see Madame M.'s story.
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) but I don't know if they would deal with some of their behaviors.
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