1. Morocco
2. Algeria
3. Malta
4. Tunisia
5. Libya
6. Egypt
7. Palestine
8. Israel
9. Lebanon
10. Syria
11. Turkey
12. Cyprus
13. Crete
14. Greece
15. Albania
16. Italy
17. Sicily
18. Sardinia
19. Corsica
20. France
21. Spain

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Originally posted by alTakruri:


So, outside of geography or climate, what do the aboriginal
cultures of the twenty one Mediterranean littoral countries...

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Those who use it, generally justify with the flimsy idea that it is a general reference to regions bordering the Mediterranean sea, and/or the idea that these cultural complexes in the past, had "traded" amongst themselves within relative geographical proximity. In some cases like that of ancient Egypt, the advocates seemingly prefer this term over "Red Sea civilization", which is also an application based on the same level of flimsiness. For those [particularly non-Africans], who don't get amusement from the idea that "ancient Egypt" is African based, the term incites a sense of relief of not having to refer to this complex in an African context, but rather, lump it with non-African territories under the generalized "Mediterranean" moniker, and in effect, distance its relationship with the rest of Africa and simultaneously increase its relationship with non-African entities lumped into the same construct.
 

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Posted by Mystery Solver (Member # 9033) on :
 
Interestingly, coming from someone who frequents this board, UP Man/Achillobator/Tyrannosaurus wrote elsewhere:

Well, why did you choose to use "Semite"? Besides, the consensus seems to be that the Ancient Egyptians were a multi-chromatic society, with blacks predominanting in Upper Egypt and more Mediterranean people in the north.


What is "more Mediterranean" supposed to be? Goes back to my point that:

For those [particularly non-Africans], who don't get amusement from the idea that "ancient Egypt" is African based, the term incites a sense of relief of not having to refer to this complex in an African context, but rather, lump it with non-African territories under the generalized "Mediterranean" moniker, and in effect, distance its relationship with the rest of Africa and simultaneously increase its relationship with non-African entities lumped into the same construct.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^Strictly speaking, 'Mediterranean' is the sea that bounds southern Europe, Southwest Asia, and Northern Africa. Of course the Eurocents have really done a number on the term. To use the Mediterranean as some focal point of the "caucasian race". Especially anthropologist Sergei, who came up with his "Mediterranean race" which was a subgroup of the "caucasian race". What's funny is that many peoples who are not even close to the Mediterranean like Indians and Southeast Asians were classified as such.
 

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 
Sergi never classified all his Mediterraneans as
members of a caucasian race. If you insist that
he did, please provide a citatin from him (not
from somebody reviewing him who can't tell the
difference between Sergi and those who Sergi
quotes in disagreement). Nor did Sergi class
Levantines within his Mediterranean race.
 

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Posted by Djehuti (Member # 6698) on :
 
^Well if not Sergei than Coon. One or the other (I can't keep track of all these debunked Eurocent scholars).
 

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Posted by alTakruri (Member # 10195) on :
 
Well dayyum pahdnuh, that's a like saying
if not Djehuti tththen Jaime (Salsasin, etc.)

And if anything Sergi was Medicentric and
I doubt he's debunked. His science is now
outdated, his separating African Meds from
Africsn non-Meds is disproved, yet in his
day independent minded black history scholars
used Sergi's Med Race book to the best of
their interest for all it and he were worth.
 

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Posted by King_Scorpion (Member # 4818) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mystery Solver:

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Originally posted by alTakruri:


So, outside of geography or climate, what do the aboriginal
cultures of the twenty one Mediterranean littoral countries...

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Those who use it, generally justify with the flimsy idea that it is a general reference to regions bordering the Mediterranean sea, and/or the idea that these cultural complexes in the past, had "traded" amongst themselves within relative geographical proximity. In some cases like that of ancient Egypt, the advocates seemingly prefer this term over "Red Sea civilization", which is also an application based on the same level of flimsiness. For those [particularly non-Africans], who don't get amusement from the idea that "ancient Egypt" is African based, the term incites a sense of relief of not having to refer to this complex in an African context, but rather, lump it with non-African territories under the generalized "Mediterranean" moniker, and in effect, distance its relationship with the rest of Africa and simultaneously increase its relationship with non-African entities lumped into the same construct.

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Originally posted by alTakruri:
Well dayyum pahdnuh, that's a like saying
if not Djehuti tththen Jaime (Salsasin, etc.)

And if anything Sergi was Medicentric and
I doubt he's debunked. His science is now
outdated, his separating African Meds from
Africsn non-Meds is disproved, yet in his
day independent minded black history scholars
used Sergi's Med Race book to the best of
their interest for all it and he were worth.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:

^^Of course, Mysterysolver is only repeating what is long been known about the use of the phrase "Mediterranean" when it comes to ancient cultures.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
Takruri, I take it that you are a fan of Sergi's work(?)

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Originally posted by Mystery Solver:

"only repeating what is long been known about the use of the phrase "Mediterranean" when it comes to ancient cultures"[/i]...after whom, and specifically where...

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Originally posted by alTakruri:

No, I'm not a fan nor have I any heroes.

I must have seen Sergi on the local public library shelves in my youth. My first truly conscious allusion to it was when I entered college and found it in the broadside Black Manhood by an author only known as Ta(r)harqa, who quoted Sergi's famous anti-Eurocentric rebuttal to his colleagues' "dark whites" doublespeak in reference to Ethiopians, "If they are blackthen how can they be white?"

Then I recalled Rogers' use of Sergi. I didn't know it at the time, but DuBois quoted passages from Sergi as did Parker.

Just as Diop is not debunked though on certain issues is outdated today, so is Sergi who hails from a much earlier time than Diop, so we would quite naturally not expect late 1800's anthropology to know or use the tools at our disposal in this the 21st century.

Yet, what Sergi saw in osteo measurements we see in NRY, specifically E3b. We're on much surer ground than Sergi was because he was wrong about some of the peoples he excluded as well as though he mistakenly included. He was right about the East African origins and spread to North Africa and the northern Mediterranean shores.

And despite the title of his book and its postulations, there's no such thing as a Mediterranean race or stock.


http://phpbb-host.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=61&start=35&mforum=thenile

http://phpbb-host.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=17&start=20&mforum=thenile

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=004444;p=1#000004

Somewhere where I can't find it is a recent discussion involving Sergi where Rasol made a good point about Sergi in very astute verbiage such that I got an understanding of Sergi that before then I couldn't see :that he separated his black Eurafrican subgroup from the rest of the black Africans. Anybody who can dig up that thread?

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