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Cobalt glass beads found in Scandinavian Bronze Age tombs reveal trade connections between Egyptians and Mesopotamia 3,400 years ago — and similar religious rituals. Stunning glass beads found in Danish Bronze Age burials dating to 3400 years ago turn out to have come from ancient Egypt – in fact, from the workshop that made the blue beads buried with the famous boy-king Tutankhamun. The discovery proves that there were established trade routes between the far north and Levant as early as the 13th century BCE. Twenty-three of the glass beads found in Danish Bronze Age burials by the team of Danish and French archaeologists were blue, a rare color in ancient times. “Lapis lazuli was the most precious gemstone in Nordic Late Bronze Age. Blue glass was the next best thing," Jeanette Varberg, who is associated with the research, told Haaretz. "In the north it must have been almost magic. A piece of heaven." (Lapis lazuli is a deep blue semi-precious gemstone.) The blue beads aren't the only evidence of trade between ancient Denmark and the region. Altogether 271 glass beads have been found at 51 burials sites in Denmark, the majority of which originated from Nippur, Mesopotamia, about 50 km southeast of today's Baghdad in Iraq. Buried with beads One of the blue glass beads was found with a Bronze Age woman buried in Olby, Denmark, in a hollowed oak coffin wearing a sun disc, a smart string skirt decorated with tinkling, small bronze tubes (a decoration on the cords, placed at the front of the skirt), and an overarm bracelet made of amber beads. She had evidently been quite well to do.
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Not surprising. African Neolithics reached Scandinavia also
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Excellent thread, Brada-Anansi, thanks. Interesting how the blue of the glass and the blue-green metal tinkling matches, and the amber/embers, must have been a beautiful outfit when worn, perhaps dancing around a fire or maybe to welcome the sunrise. The beltbuckle resembles a solar shield, perhaps shows linkage between umbo(of shield)/wombelle/tummy-belt/xyambuatl(sun-bowl/bound) and Jambo(meet/greet) and Mbo(mother) context.
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Interesting in light of ancestor Yuya bearing autosomal nDNA D2S1338 = 27 Swedish and NW Spain per popSTR.
quote:Glass beads were a luxury adornment in ancient Egypt. They were not especially prevalent, except in the graves of the elite where the selection was choice but limited in quantity. It may seem inexplicable how cobalt beads fit for kings could end up in Nordic burials.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Interesting in light of ancestor Yuya bearing autosomal nDNA D2S1338 = 27 Swedish and NW Spain per popSTR.
quote:Glass beads were a luxury adornment in ancient Egypt. They were not especially prevalent, except in the graves of the elite where the selection was choice but limited in quantity. It may seem inexplicable how cobalt beads fit for kings could end up in Nordic burials.
Hmm so that would mean that Tut did carry some N W European genetic stuff apart from his African genes.
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Not Tut but Yuya his maternal great grandfather. Tut's miniFiler profile alleles are all found in Africa. His 'exclusive' marker CSF1PO 6 is San.
Speculative long shot on my part linking elite Egyptian beads found in Denmark to an Egyptian guy with what today is a Swedish Nordic Scandinavian marker.
But Yuya has an 'exclusive' African marker too. The Biaka D7S820 =6.
Here's my old world chart for Yuya
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Illustration of STR in global populations. All humans carry the same STRs. The difference is in the frequency/repeats
eg. look at TPOX. All Europeans carry the same repeats at TPOX, below. Including Chinese.
BUT!!
If you include a second STR(eg TH01) then the differences between populations becomes apparent.
No computer is needed
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That is why populations differentiates at only TWO STR.
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Point? Don't project you modern beliefs and concepts into the past....3400ya....in Scandinavia.
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Who said Yuya was a Nordic?
Look at that chart. Do the forensics. Forensics looks for locus matches, allele matches, and missing loci. Only Africa matches all 8 loci. What kind of logic turns that into Yuya was Scandinavian?
It doesn't matter what they looked like 8k, 3.4k (the correct timeframe) or tomorrow.
It's about the STRs. Napoleon's naSTR profile is found worldwide. Do you really think Africans or Asians of his haplotype look like Napoleon? Ridiculous.
Take your own medicine.
Leave your bias and prejudice so as to examine facts objectively. And recall your writing on that Shorty marker. Your logic was special pleading because now it suddenly doesn't apply when the affinity is non-African.
Yuya's D2S1338 27 either comes from his mother or father or else it's a mutation (state vs descent).
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I am talking to the novices to clarify the question posed by Brada.
I agree , what they "look like" is circumspect.
Oh! And you do understand that the distribution of "repeats" is a Bell Curve . Ie a range and not one fixed value within a population?
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BTW _ the data/table you presented clearly showed AEIANS "drifted" towards shorty ie, the south.
In my example above just taking, two, TPOX and TH01 we can see differences between Chinese and Europeans already. This is not rocket science .
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They are embarrassed by King Tut western European DNA claim,which was an impossibility.Now they are making up another LIE to create a link between ancient Egyptians and Europeans.Maybe later claim a norde man came and impregnated Tut's mama and gave birth to a mullato Tut.white people are degenerate liers,right now they are cooking another bullshit. That is why racism can never die.The only Europeans that came close to ancient Kemet were the Ionians Greeks.Ancient Egypt traded MOSTLY with other African kingdoms and middle eastern kingdoms of their time.Those middle eastern Kingdoms of ancient times, look nothing like today's middle East.
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But really what does having a San and Biaka marker really mean? That Ancient Egyptians are related to older people or better yet an older civilization.
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It means DNATribes was correct in showing AEians were most closely related to current populations in southern Africa, Great Lakes and West Africa. Modern Europeans are not even in the discussion.
It means they cane from South and Central Africa.
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Yes, any population is related to older ones. Simply put it means some ancient naSTRs are found in today's peoples and some of those ancieny naSTR values are either ethnicity or geography specific today and maybe even remained so over the last 6000 years (or more).
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But really what does having a San and Biaka marker really mean? That Ancient Egyptians are related to older people or better yet an older civilization.
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Yes, any population is related to older ones. Simply put it means some ancient naSTRs are found in today's peoples and some of those ancieny naSTR values are either ethnicity or geography specific today and maybe even remained so over the last 6000 years (or more).
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But really what does having a San and Biaka marker really mean? That Ancient Egyptians are related to older people or better yet an older civilization.
But why Biaka and San? Is it because they are more likely to have exclusive markers (always different colors on admixture maps)? Or is a matter of prevalence?
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When I used popSTR to look up the value it only appeared in the given ethny or region. That's how without bias I specifically assign such as * San * Biaka * SW Spain / Sweden * etc objectively as possible I can.
The same when I use any database or table in a genetic report or book.
See the next post for a table of African specific MiniFiler STRs per popSTR's database and in conjunction with two studies, one on Sudan and one on Egypt.
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Here're my preliminary on unique (only one pop) or semi-specific (two pops only) MinFiler 8 STR locus alleles. The semi specifics were to show "links".
You can see, where exclusive, these markers are useful African geo-lingual-ethnic identifiers.
I was thinking language groupings.
Shorties speak non-Shorty languages but are easily distinguishable. Sudan data is a language pool.
Note Bantu can be identified separate from other Niger-Congo due possibly to west vs 'south-east' geography or ethnicity.
Please follow the link in the first line for more, don't want to hi jack my good Brada's thread.
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