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Originally posted by Horemheb:
I'd find someone else if I were you. There are exceptions to every rule but the cultural differences are a problem, even though they might not seem so now. Every case I have seen has turned out to be a nightmare. Is he anti american? That makes a difference and tells you a lot about what kind of guy he is. If he puts down the United states I'd tell him to hit the road.

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You don't know Jada ... neither do you know the boy she loves ... and without knowing either you have the gall to start by telling her to "find someone else"? Wow !! How presumptious of you??

Then you say "there are exceptions to every rule ... but, every case I have seen has turned out to be a nightmare" ... so where are the exceptions??? Are you married - or even old enough to be married ??

Many Americans are "anti-US policy" ... don't equate anti-american with anti-US policy ... I would put down the US any second of the day -- seven days a week (sorry snoozin ) but, I am not anti-american. There are good and bad apples in every barrel. The US Policy is what is making people "put down US" not the people ...

I am sorry to burst out like this ... but, attacking Islam I can take ... but, to possibly hurt an individual is not kosher in my books ...

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Originally posted by Jada:
I live in the us all my life, he is from egypt
We both love eachother very much.
People judge us but they dont know.I may have lived in nyc all my life but im vey open to his culture and religion...

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Originally posted by Jada:
I love the arabic culture and traditions ..Im interested in alot of cultures because i dont want to live in a box and not realize what world we live in.
Orginally i came here to get advice on how to marry and how to do it in both religions. But it turns out differently. Im sorry if some people feel its bad but its my life and i love him and he loves me.
Goodluck to u all!
Bye

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Jada, I believe you feel you are really in love. But being in love isn't the issue.

Where will you live?

How will you both live?

Are you willing to let your kids grow up to be Muslims?

Are you willing to end up with a man so unlike the men here in the US you have always known? (sometimes that's a good thing, but sometimes not)

Do you have plans for the future? Or do you just talk to each other about how blissful love is?

Have you any idea of his background and/or family?

How old are you?

How old is he?

Has he been married before?

Have you?

How long have you known him?

Don't get me wrong, I am marrying an Egyptian man as well and plan to live in Egypt but there are SOOOO many things I asked myself before finally deciding. You must be careful, the feeling you experience now will not last forever and after that what do you and he expect? What happens when the idea of the different cultures wears off and that attractiveness is gone and you have to get down to work and really put effort into your marriage? Is he a good Muslim? Are you a good Christian? Are you willing to see your children never be Catholic and raised up to believe Jesus never died on the cross and that he is not the son of God?

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Originally posted by Jada:
he doesnt put down america and he is very open he really wants to marry me...why is everyone telling me to end this? Is it bad to marry someone u love? I am not like most americans, i dont live in a box...Im against what america does and our president runs this country and other countries to the ground. Just because i live here doesnt mean i support this president and what he does. Nor do alot of americans support him. I love maged(my boyfriend? and he loves me. He repects my spanish culute as i respect his . He repects my religion(catholic) as i repect his. I agree with alot of people because i understand why some arabic people would be against the US because if i was i would be too. Thats why i want to move to egypt in the future and travel the world.
Yes i am a new yorker, but it also cause pain in my heart to know that there is a seperation between muslims and Americans. Like i said u cant judge everybody .
Love will last because we have triumphed so far. I am very open and extremely interested in his culture.

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Hi Jana, I was living in New York City for the last 7 years. I married an Egyptian man 2 years ago over there. We came to live in Egypt on January 2005. And, my culture also is Spanish. I think we have a lot in common.

Send me an e-mail anytime you feel like it. eaasalam@hotmail.com

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
I'd find someone else if I were you. There are exceptions to every rule but the cultural differences are a problem, even though they might not seem so now. Every case I have seen has turned out to be a nightmare. Is he anti american? That makes a difference and tells you a lot about what kind of guy he is. If he puts down the United states I'd tell him to hit the road.

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Originally posted by eaasalam:
Jada, there is a Mosque in 96th St and 3rd Av in Manhattan. You will find plenty of great people there willing to teach you about Islam. There are arabic classes on sundays morning also. I did my Shahada there. I was just the most wonderful thing ever happened to me

Maryam.

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It's watched by the FBI by the way...watch out...

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Originally posted by JOSHUA:
It's watched by the FBI by the way...watch out...

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
lets hope they are being watched by the FBI. I'm affraid, as the brits and dutch have discovered that many of those places are breeding grounds for violent goofballs.

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Hmmmmm, I don't think this is as prevalent as you think....many mosques have been kicking out men who seem extremist these days.

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Originally posted by JOSHUA:
It's watched by the FBI by the way...watch out...

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
lets hope they are being watched by the FBI. I'm affraid, as the brits and dutch have discovered that many of those places are breeding grounds for violent goofballs.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
eaasalam.... Did you have trouble understanding what i said? As you may know we have busted a number of Muslims involded in raising money that end up in the hands of terrorists...that's a no no. Most all of the criminals we have detained have been a menber of one Mosque or the other. As you may know the Brits have had a problem with clerics who have abused their hospitality.....we need to make sure that is not the case here.

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I definitely agree with you about the money part. But, "many of those places" I think it's not that "many", and those places are called Mosque. I don't mean to be rude at all; I apologize from now if it sounds like that. But, I think we are supposed to call everything by it's name and with respect.

In my opinion, what we have to do is keep together and be aware. Besides that there is not much more you can do about it. In fact, I will tell you something. I have suffered a lot from these generalizations.
My friend's husband is from Egypt, Muslim and his name is almost the same name as more than half Muslim guys around the whole world. One day he went to do some paperwork in the Immigration office. They kept him there and put him in Jail, for almost two months. For no reason...well the reason was... "Under Investigation". The FBI asked him a lot stuff he had not a clue about. Can you imagine? You have no idea how much we suffer because of it. We know many people that happened by similar situations. This is good people that work and pray and is totally against terrorism. Muslims abroad I think are very close to each other. If something is wrong, I believe they will take care of it.
However, we are not going to stop praying because of it.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Maryam, Sorry to hear about those kinds of peoblems. This is just the reason you need to stamp out these radicals everywhere you see them. When you run across a radical turn them into the FBI and help us get them out of here.
If we are hit again it is going to be terrible for people like you and your boyfriend here in America. Another attack and the American people will turn on Muslims all over the country. These radicals don't hurt me, they hurt people like you....badly. You and I know they cannot win, The United states is too powerful but they can make it very hard on you.

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I worked almost 4 years as Advisor in the Counseling Department in the biggest University in New York. I know what is to deal and care about people in need and really help them. I had a student who was in the USA for just one month before her father died on Sept 11 attacks and I took her to live with me without knowing her, just to help her until she got a place to stay after 3 months. I know what is to deal with people that got physical and emotional injured in those attacks, including Muslim people. I was working almost 24/7 because even when I got home to get some rest, my phone did not stop ringing until at least 3 weeks after Sep 11.
The USA cannot hurt me, my husband, or any Muslim at all. As I say before, some people can put a guy in jail for no reason, but they cannot take their faith away from them. We keep praying. Muslim still praying after Sep 11 and keep been Muslim. Alhmderullah.

The people that think that they can recognize a and feel the "need to stamp out these radicals everywhere you see them (as soon as you see them, like if they have a sign that says I AM A TERRORIST). When you run across a radical turn them into the FBI and help us get them out of here. " That is the people that are hurting us and everybody else in the world. People that think they have the right to judge and condemn just for religion, culture, nationality, skin color, etc.
I would like to ask you something...
How a person have to look like, in order to fit in your "ideal image" to be sent to the FBI?
In the other hand, you said, "The United states is too powerful but they can make it very hard on you."...Another attack and the American people will turn on Muslims all over the country"... Due all respect, he he he let me laugh at it. What else they can do? You make such a statements that anybody will believe you are the advisor of Mr. Bush and Mr. Power. Are you trying to scare me or any Muslim?

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Originally posted by eaasalam:
I definitely agree with you about the money part. But, "many of those places" I think it's not that "many", and those places are called Mosque. I don't mean to be rude at all; I apologize from now if it sounds like that. But, I think we are supposed to call everything by it's name and with respect.

In my opinion, what we have to do is keep together and be aware. Besides that there is not much more you can do about it. In fact, I will tell you something. I have suffered a lot from these generalizations.
My friend's husband is from Egypt, Muslim and his name is almost the same name as more than half Muslim guys around the whole world. One day he went to do some paperwork in the Immigration office. They kept him there and put him in Jail, for almost two months. For no reason...well the reason was... "Under Investigation". The FBI asked him a lot stuff he had not a clue about. Can you imagine? You have no idea how much we suffer because of it. We know many people that happened by similar situations. This is good people that work and pray and is totally against terrorism. Muslims abroad I think are very close to each other. If something is wrong, I believe they will take care of it.
However, we are not going to stop praying because of it.

Maryam

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Originally posted by eaasalam:
I forgot to tell you, this particular guy (the one in jail for two month for no reason) sued the Immigration Office and they are dealing now with his case. Probably, I will have a millionaire friend soon. Inshallah.

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TALKING TO URSELF PSYKO he will get nothing
u chose to be muslim lead by saytan u had it coming to u he-he- islamsekt moongod allah try to get time to read abaut it silly fath woman u will go to hell bey bey

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Originally posted by eaasalam:
Jada, there is a Mosque in 96th St and 3rd Av in Manhattan. You will find plenty of great people there willing to teach you about Islam. There are arabic classes on sundays morning also. I did my Shahada there. I was just the most wonderful thing ever happened to me

Maryam.

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Originally posted by Morgan:
TALKING TO URSELF PSYKO he will get nothing
u chose to be muslim lead by saytan u had it coming to u he-he- islamsekt moongod allah try to get time to read abaut it silly fath woman u will go to hell bey bey

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he he he horemheb is that you? morgan is always in the religion section. he he he did you see my pictures? I am not fat at all! ROFL

The Egyptian Muslim guy with typical Muslim name will be rich very soon, that will keep people like yourself shut, and people in the Immigration office will think twice before sending somebody to jail just for been Muslim again.

Bye Bye

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
I'm not trying to scare you maryam, you seem to be a nice person. What I am saying is that if we are hit again over here it will push many Americans over the edge. In those kinds of situations people do not always act fairly. Whatever problems Muslims had after 9/11 will be enhanced ten fold. you could easily see deportations on a large scale and even physical attacks.
If you hear 'hate' speech in your Mosque, tell the FBI. If you hear people agree with the terrorists, tell the FBI so we can begin the process of getting them out of here.
The Muslim community cannot stay in the middle on these issues. They must decide which side they are going to be on and act accordingly.

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"I'm not trying to scare you maryam"
he he he do not waste your time. Do not even try, not even close.

"you seem to be a nice person".
You seem to be a classist, sexist, chauvinist, racist, xenophobic, racially prejudiced, bigot, extremist, dogmatist, sick minded... something.

"What I am saying is that if we are hit again over here it will push many Americans over the edge. In those kinds of situations people do not always act fairly. Whatever problems Muslims had after 9/11 will be enhanced ten fold"
More Muslim will be rich soon, then.

"you could easily see deportations on a large scale and even physical attacks"
You are dreaming in your sick mind. Btw, there is something that is called LAW. Do you know about it?

"If you hear 'hate' speech in your Mosque, tell the FBI. If you hear people agree with the terrorists, tell the FBI so we can begin the process of getting them out of here."
If you see yourself one more time in the mirror, you will se somebody who is really sick minded and needs help. Go IMMEDIATELY to a Mental Health Institution for your own good.

"The Muslim community cannot stay in the middle on these issues. They must decide which side they are going to be on and act accordingly"
he he he Muslim will keep been Muslim and more and more people will convert to Muslim Inshallah no matter what.

La elaha ela Allah
Maryam

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Well Maryam, They may convert but it won't be in the United states. We are not going to allow you people to come over here and abuse our hospiatlity by promoting terror.
many of you manage to work very hard to amke yourself unwanted in every country you go to.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
I am not going speak in general terms about any group of people. I'm sure that there are many good Muslims...I've said that before. That said, I am one american and there are millions more who feel the same way. Many of us are fed up with the terror and the complaints. If they attack the United States again it will not be a pretty picture. After 9/11 two middle east governments were toppled in Afghanistan and Iraq. If it happens again all hell will break loose.

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I know already what are you fed up with...

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Jannah, The difference is that Tim McVey and Jim Jones were domestic criminals. There is a difference between that and a foreign individual who has an agenda damaging to the best interests of the people of the United States.

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Don't you think Timothy McVeigh with his anti-American government agenda was damaging the best interests of the people of the United States? I don't know much about Jim Jones, but I see very little difference between McVeigh and the 9/11 terrorists.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Snoozin, There is one distinction we can quickly between Mcvey and the 9/11 fellows, he was a United States citizen by birth. That at least puts him a different legal catagory. You would say he was in revolt aganist the government and in that respect he is just as undesirable as the 9/11 terrorists. So from a pragmatic point of view I agree with you.

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I agree with you.

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Originally posted by Paint Me As I Am:
why not a big thing when Timothy Mcvey did what he did thing in USA?? did we forget that ?? or what about Jim Jones..? let not Islam be the focus here,...

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Because when a Christian kills someone, even if the feud is between two religious groups like in the case of north Ireland, it is never inspired by religion itself. Nowhere in the Gospel it says kill the people of other faith. Quran is replete with such exhortations. For a Muslim all wars are religious wars. Christians do not go terrorizing people shouting Jesus is great, the Muslims always shout Allah u Akbar to get ready for killing.

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Originally posted by kafir4 ever:
Because when a Christian kills someone, even if the feud is between two religious groups like in the case of north Ireland, it is never inspired by religion itself. Nowhere in the Gospel it says kill the people of other faith. Quran is replete with such exhortations. For a Muslim all wars are religious wars. Christians do not go terrorizing people shouting Jesus is great, the Muslims always shout Allah u Akbar to get ready for killing.

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