quote:Originally posted by MohdAnwar: i will talk about beating the woman as u saying. when we talk about the problems with womans and men in marriage life islam gives us many different tools
-advise and talk to her -show your annoying in her action by give her your back in the bed [Wink] -beat her
Muslim women are beaten, provided they are “disrespectful” and “irresponsible”. Women are not allowed to do the same i.e. beat their husband if they are being 'disrespectful' or 'irresponsible'.
That's because women are deficient in intelligent.
Who can determine if someone is disrespectful and irresponsible? Who should be the judge? The husband. who should apply the punishment? also the husband. And of course the husband is also the plaintiff. Doesn’t this seem a little unjust? How this system can guarantee that women will not be beaten wantonly? Moreover, does beating really work? Is it right to treat "disrespectful" women like animals? In this day and age you can’t even beat an animal but Muslims insist the there is nothing wrong in beating the wife. Isn’t divorce better than violence?
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What if a husband wants to have sex with his maid and his wife 'rebels'?
In this hadith a woman tries to trick her husband so he stop sleeping with their maid. But Umar tells him to beat his wife and to go to his slave-girl.
• Sunaan Abu Dawud: Umar told a man to beat his wife for suckling a slave-girl with whom he used to have sex…30.2.13
A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife...11.2142
A woman who complains about the beatings she receives from her husband is not the best woman...11.2141
Abdur Rahman I Doi, the recognized authority on Sharia, in his book, ‘Women in Society’writes:
A refractory wife has no legal right to object to her husband exercising his disciplinary authority. Islamic law, in common with most other systems of law, recognizes the husband's right to discipline his wife for disobedience. (Prof. Abdur Rahman I. Doi Professor and Director, Center for Islamic Legal Studies)
To uphold the right of a husband to have four wives at any time and any number of sex-slaves for all times; in case of objection by any wife the husband can beat her
• The Qur’an: For men four free women wives (some say nine) at a time and any number of slave girls is permitted...4:3
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quote:Originally posted by MohdAnwar: Dear Dalia I don't want to annoy u but as i feel it normal thing in any home that someone must be a leader. matters can't be loose. in (ISLAM) god give the man this leadership with all its responsiablities and its problems and he will be asked what he did with it.and i think also in christainity. mohamed
I don't buy this thing about leadership. If I look around me the best and longest-lasting relationships are those where both partners treat each other with respect and none claims to be the "leader". If I look at the Qur'an I see that men and women are "garments for each other", that they should treat each other with love and respect – a husband "disciplining" his wife (what a horrible expression, btw!) or the concept of leadership is a contradiction to that.
O mankind! Be conscious of your Sustainer, who has created you out of one living entity (nafs) ... (4:1)
... go in to your wives; they are a garment for you and you are a garment for them ... (2:187)
And among his wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kind, so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you: in this, behold there are messages indeed for people who think. (30:21)
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quote:Originally posted by Dalia: I don't buy this thing about leadership. If I look around me the best and longest-lasting relationships are those where both partners treat each other with respect and none claims to be the "leader".
Very respectable view.
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Lobo says, nothing like a wifebeater who makes excuses and hides behind idealogy ...and think its their God given right ... and if you think women are dogs, that is what you you will end up with, and treat women with suspicioun, and humiliation ... and hopefully she will wise up, dump your ass and kick it to the curb ...
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quote:Originally posted by MohdAnwar: i will talk about beating the woman as u saying. when we talk about the problems with womans and men in marriage life islam gives us many different tools
-advise and talk to her -show your annoying in her action by give her your back in the bed [Wink] -beat her
Muslim women are beaten, provided they are “disrespectful” and “irresponsible”. Women are not allowed to do the same i.e. beat their husband if they are being 'disrespectful' or 'irresponsible'.
That's because women are deficient in intelligent.
Who can determine if someone is disrespectful and irresponsible? Who should be the judge? The husband. who should apply the punishment? also the husband. And of course the husband is also the plaintiff. Doesn’t this seem a little unjust? How this system can guarantee that women will not be beaten wantonly? Moreover, does beating really work? Is it right to treat "disrespectful" women like animals? In this day and age you can’t even beat an animal but Muslims insist the there is nothing wrong in beating the wife. Isn’t divorce better than violence?
Hello Fran Man and woman are both equal no one is better than any one else with his deeds that what QUran really saying. it is just different roles for man and woman. execuse me if i am not writing so much this day but i am really busy with a lot of things. if u really like to discus anything about islam i like to do that with u but not to contest u or anyone else. I just discus the subject with logic cause we are not in a fight. i prfer chatting cause i am not always logging to Egyptseach this days. send me mail to confirm when u want to chat and we can arrange it is an invitation for anyone want to know more about islam. and by the way i am really open mind my mail is mohd_a_mohd@yahoo.com
Best Regards Mohamed
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quote:Originally posted by MohdAnwar: Dear Dalia I don't want to annoy u but as i feel it normal thing in any home that someone must be a leader. matters can't be loose. in (ISLAM) god give the man this leadership with all its responsiablities and its problems and he will be asked what he did with it.and i think also in christainity. mohamed
I don't buy this thing about leadership. If I look around me the best and longest-lasting relationships are those where both partners treat each other with respect and none claims to be the "leader". If I look at the Qur'an I see that men and women are "garments for each other", that they should treat each other with love and respect – a husband "disciplining" his wife (what a horrible expression, btw!) or the concept of leadership is a contradiction to that.
O mankind! Be conscious of your Sustainer, who has created you out of one living entity (nafs) ... (4:1)
... go in to your wives; they are a garment for you and you are a garment for them ... (2:187)
And among his wonders is this: He creates for you mates out of your own kind, so that you might incline towards them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you: in this, behold there are messages indeed for people who think. (30:21)
And do not covet that whereby God has exalted some of you above others; for men is a share of what they earn, and for women is a share of what they earn; and ask God of His bounty; God surely knows everything. (4:32)
Dear Dalia both partner must respect each other but as in any company there is must be a chairman also as your country there is must be president. but it must be someone. he ask ppl around him his consultants when he want to have a decision but the final decision is with him and that decide if the ppl will elect him again or not depend in what good things he did in country. this president or chairman could be folish and bring a lot of problems to his country or his company. and that proves that i am sure there is a lot of folish men but god will ask them about what they have done with their families.
and again u could choose a president that he give the authority to his counsulant to take this leadship but it is again his choise to do so and god will ask him with what he did.
Please ppl. if u go deep in the spirit of islam. u will know that the real muslium don't care so much about this life. cause it is a test and he know he will feel a lot of pain in it. or someone answer me in this questions.
-why we died? why god create us like that? -why someone his son died and he seeing that? -why some ppl are poor and other are rich? -why some ppl can have babies and other can't? -why any man is a man and not a woman? -why any woman is a woman and not a man? -why womans feel pain when they borning a baby ? -why we feel pain and why we have illness ? -why u always have a lot of choise in your life?
if u could answer this questions i am sure u can answer anything u not accepting in islam
quote:Originally posted by MohdAnwar: as in any company there is must be a chairman also as your country there is must be president. but it must be someone. he ask ppl around him his consultants when he want to have a decision but the final decision is with him and that decide if the ppl will elect him again or not depend in what good things he did in country.
I was expecting you to bring on the example of the ship with the two captains but this one's just as bad.
A relationship is not a company and works in different ways thus it doesn't make sense to compare the two. The president of a company is being hired for having particular qualifications, specialisations etc., he or she has an education in the field necessary for doing the job.
There is no "qualification" for being the "leader" in a relationship; a man is not automatically more qualified than a woman to take decisisons that concern both of them (or the children if any). Plus – a good relationship is about communication, compromise and personal strengths and weaknesses which can vary from person to person. If one person is a "leader" the relationship becomes unbalanced, meaning the opinion of one person counts more than the other and that's simply unjust.
I repeat – I've never, ever seen a successful relationship where one of the partners was more dominant than the other.
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Mohammad,you say that man and woman are with equal rights in islam,and are you sure in what ure saying exactly? Are you sure that the men are not more prous and always underline their previledges tha the woman!They always do this,and i mean they REALLY DO! They begin with ......who`s the head of the family?Who must handle the financial needs of the home??Who is the firs human that God create,the MAN or the Woman???Somehow from thousand centuries the Man is feeling himself as the dominant one,the Leader...isnt it true???IT IS!Look around yourself...!!!!They still accept the women as second class!The woman should stay home cooking,taking care the home,and bring babies,lolllll! Sure i dont mind to be housewife,to take care my kids,but if i make it doesnt mean that its a MUST!Its because i insist my kids to be rised and learned by their MOMY!Today still the bosses use the women as sex slaves,ya3ny......if you dont sleep with me i will kick your @ss outa here!Disgusting! Anyway from many points its not true that man and woman are equal in their eyes!When a woman try to defend this what they do???They laugh idiotically,calling her feministic bitch!Fact! The least example.....look that in Egypt there are still cafees,for men only,where woman is not allowed to step,especially with man,not her husband! Isnt it true?
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