I dont know what science you are talking about. lets see one example about that science
Isaiah 11:12 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH . (KJV)
Revelation 7:1 1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH , holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13 13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH , that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19 19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH , and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11 11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH : (KJV)
Matthew 4:8 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from any place. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
The flat Earth is established and can never move?! The Sun hurries back to where it rises?!
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"
Well, I don't think there is any need for much explanation to the nonsense above! Since when the Earth is flat and can never move?! We all know that the Earth and the other planets rotate and move in space around the Sun.
Is that the science you are talking about?
the planets in space rotate and move according to the Quran, read the following Noble Verse:
"It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its orbit with its own motion. (The Noble Quran, 21:33)"
The Earth has pillars?!
"He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)"
The Earth has Edges?!
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"
"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"
"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"
"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"
Here is excellent proof that the author of the bible thought that the earth was a flat one.
1. Job 37:33 He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.
Lighting doesn't travel around the earth the biblical god thought his earth was a small, flat one.
2. Job 38:44 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
If the author of the bible thought of a globe earth then the last question in job 38: 44 should of read "Who stretched a measuring line around it?"
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
Does a sphere have ends, and how can you grab the ends of a sphere? Only a flat disc or square could be grabbed and shaken in this way.
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Children often play a game where they sit in a circle. One whispers something to his neighbor, who then whispers that information to the next child, and so on, around the circle. By the time the last child whispers the information to the first, it is totally different from what was originally said.
Something like that seems to have happened within Islam. The Prophet of Islam, Muhammad, brought one – and only one – religion. Yet today we have perhaps a thousand religions that all claim to be Islam.
Divided by their different interpretations, Muslims do not play the role they once did in the world; instead, they are weakened and victimized. The Shia/Sunni schism is so deep that each side condemns followers of the other as apostates, kafir. The belief that the other’s religion is not Islam, and its followers not Muslim, has underpinned internecine wars in which millions have died – and continue to die.
Even among the Sunnis and Shias there are further divisions. The Sunnis have four imams and the Shias have twelve; their teachings all differ. Then there are other divisions, including the Druze, the Alawites, and the Wahabis.
We are also taught by our ulamas (religious instructors) that their teachings must not be questioned. Islam is a faith. It must be believed. Logic and reason play no part in it. But what is it that we must believe when each branch of Islam thinks the other one is wrong? The Koran, after all, is one book, not two or three, or a thousand.
According to the Koran, a Muslim is anyone who bears witness that “there is no God (Allah) but Allah, and that Muhammad is his Rasul (Messenger).” If no other qualification is added, then all those who subscribe to these precepts must be regarded as Muslims. But because we Muslims like to add qualifications that often derive from sources other than the Koran, our religion’s unity has been broken.
But perhaps the greatest problem is the progressive isolation of Islamic scholarship – and much of Islamic life – from the rest of the modern world. We live in an age of science in which people can see around corners, hear and see things happening in outer space, and clone animals. And all of these things seem to contradict our belief in the Koran.
This is so because those who interpret the Koran are learned only in religion, in its laws and practices, and thus are usually unable to understand today’s scientific miracles. The fatwas (legal opinions concerning Islamic law) that they issue appear unreasonable and cannot be accepted by those with scientific knowledge.
One learned religious teacher, for example, refused to believe that a man had landed on the moon. Others assert that the world was created 2,000 years ago. The age of the universe and its size measured in light years – these are things that the purely religiously trained ulamas cannot comprehend.
This failure is largely responsible for the sad plight of so many Muslims. Today’s oppression, the killings and the humiliations of Muslims, occurs because we are weak, unlike the Muslims of the past. We can feel victimized and criticize the oppressors, but to stop them we need to look at ourselves. We must change for our own good. We cannot ask our detractors to change, so that Muslims benefit.
So what do we need to do? In the past, Muslims were strong because they were learned. Muhammad’s injunction was to read, but the Koran does not say what to read. Indeed, there was no “Muslim scholarship” at the time, so to read meant to read whatever was available. The early Muslims read the works of the great Greek scientists, mathematicians, and philosophers. They also studied the works of the Persians, the Indians, and the Chinese.
The result was a flowering of science and mathematics. Muslim scholars added to the body of knowledge and developed new disciplines, such as astronomy, geography, and new branches of mathematics. They introduced numerals, enabling simple and limitless calculations.
But around the fifteenth century, the learned in Islam began to curb scientific study. They began to study religion alone, insisting that only those who study religion – particularly Islamic jurisprudence – gain merit in the afterlife. The result was intellectual regression at the very moment that Europe began embracing scientific and mathematical knowledge.
And so, as Muslims were intellectually regressing, Europeans began their renaissance, developing improved ways of meeting their needs, including the manufacture of weapons that eventually allowed them to dominate the world.
By contrast, Muslims fatally weakened their ability to defend themselves by neglecting, even rejecting, the study of allegedly secular science and mathematics, and this myopia remains a fundamental source of the oppression suffered by Muslims today. Many Muslims still condemn the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kamal, because he tried to modernize his country. But would Turkey be Muslim today without Ataturk? Mustafa Kamal’s clear-sightedness saved Islam in Turkey and saved Turkey for Islam.
Failure to understand and interpret the true and fundamental message of the Koran has brought only misfortune to Muslims. By limiting our reading to religious works and neglecting modern science, we destroyed Islamic civilization and lost our way in the world.
The Koran says that “Allah will not change our unfortunate situation unless we make the effort to change it.” Many Muslims continue to ignore this and, instead, merely pray to Allah to save us, to bring back our lost glory. But the Koran is not a talisman to be hung around the neck for protection against evil. Allah helps those who improve their minds.
Mahathir bin Mohamad was Prime Minister of Malaysia from 1981-2003.
quote:as long as you never read the Quran then how possible you could know what the Quran said about Medicine , Algebra etc
how did i forget that, the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran....
Fran:
quote: How Christianity (and Capitalism) Led to Science
christain and capitalism which one? i know they both begin with C, but that no reason to embed Capitalism into Christainty, and give all its benefit to Christainailty!!
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what is going on here?? Mr Egypt... what, if anything are you trying to prove? you continually post links to a very well known website.... do you think that you have found these faults? are you trying to prove the quran to be holier than the bible or more scientific? in the 600 odd years between the two there were huge advances in cosmology.... however didnt we all learn about this in school when we were about 12? the quran was written around the time of copernicus right? the bible about 100 odd years before ptolemy. even ptolemy had geocentric views until copernicus's heliocentric theories. and before ptolemy.... plenty! the point is the bible was not written as a scientific text book. the general level of awareness of the worlds populace would not have had any understanding of its message. it is written in story form as a guide for good living. even simple messages are again compared to things in nature... this is what was understood. in the 1400s the understanding of the educated populace was too great to write a holy book with the same lack of understanding of the universe as the bible. advances in maths, geography, astronomy and cosmology were too provident to ignore in order to convey its message with any authority. the opposite was true of the bible... the greeks knew the earth wasnt flat long before jesus graced it with his presence! however the bible was not a scientific research paper intended to be read to and by scholars.
perhaps you should read the passages you have posted above (you know, the ones youve copied and pasted from the same website you are getting all this stuff from) and imagine yourself as an uneducated person hearing these highly mentally visual stories and being as frightened of gods wrath as they were intended to make you!!!
you know... it was a good idea, if we were all god fearing the world might be a better place.... however, as you keep pointing out, science just cant be explained by religion.
i have studied this and i always end up with the same thought. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THE CREATOR WITHIN THE UNIVERSE. to be within it he must be a product of it. to be placed outside trashes genesis. you wont pass GCSE physics revising with the bible!!!
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I have read the bible more than a time, and I have one at home, even my christian friends knows it, so I am aware of what it contains and I dont need to search for faults and errors in it, nor the pornography in it. any child rather than an adult would find out the errors and the contradictions within it. it is true that I copy and paste from some sites, nothing wrong with it , dont know what's your problem nor dalia's problem about it, doesnt it support what I am saying? and I have recently posted a topic called my last offending topic, I have asked christians to post what they object about women in Islam and I will post for them the worst from their bible , which means I already have the bible and I know where to get things out of it. what dalia posted above is a copy and paste from a site, unless I am wrong. everyone have to copy and paste.
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it's rude when people talk about errors in bible!!
But it's free to talk about Quran while copying whatever from anti-islamic or shiiti , Moatazelite , Baha'i ..etc websites and start accusing Islam and all muslims of backwardness.
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ok ichigo... thanks for the permission! (?)
Mr Egypt..... its actually illegal to copy and paste info in that site to this forum. it also contravenes the rules of this board.
my point (as you asked) is i dont want to read that site.. if i did i'd go there. by all means you can read and digest it and then in your own words post your thoughts on it here... but please save us all the looooooooooooooong posts that are actually someone elses thoughts and work.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr Egypt: what dalia posted above is a copy and paste from a site, unless I am wrong. everyone have to copy and paste.
I'd say more than 70% of your posts are copy and pastes. Now please take a look at my number of posts and tell me how many of them I've written myself and how many are just copy and pastes ...
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