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and should be replaced by women. the middle east is mired in a seemingly endless poverty. Much of it is occupied by foreign armies. The men have obviously failed to do their job. They should be required to wear burks from head to toe. The roles need to be reversed....
The girls could not do any worse.
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Yes Horemheb haven't you heard? Nothing is ever wrong with muslims and their societies if it weren't for the polluting and damaging effects of those devil foreigners...
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It was a sand flea infested, poverty stricken region long before we got there. Until they get their religion out of the government they will remain poor. Obviously Muslim men have failed, the women could produce much more.
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"Yes Horemheb haven't you heard? Nothing is ever wrong with muslims and their societies if it weren't for the polluting and damaging effects of those devil foreigners... "
the opposire is not neccesarly the right answer, the world is not black and white... maybe you lack understadning in this.... but sitck around you can learn inshaAllah
"It was a sand flea infested, poverty stricken region long before we got there. Until they get their religion out of the government they will remain poor. Obviously Muslim men have failed, the women could produce much more. "
No hore.... europe was infested with plague, and dieases, people did not know how to live, or eat, or do anything really, people were just,,,, i dont know liveing like animals back in the dark ages....
it was when they say the islamic empire across the sea, they were inspired by the modernity, and vast developement!!!
europeans being greedy as they are, hence capitism, they saw this vast richness of culture, and wealth, and thought "we can capitlise all this"
hence the british empire, the italins french etc... having seen the vast empire of Islam, european must have undergone a very speaclised plan to disseble the Ummah (the empire)
hence the saying "if you cant beat them join them" some say Islam was broken within, cos it was too strong from the outside...
from the final defeat of the islamic empire, about early 1900s....this plan is still going on.. foreigh army occupy theses land to make sure islam is always broken from within...they put stuid leader that deprive muslim of education, hence why these muslim dont even know whats going on...
as time goes muslim are waking up, and realsing he importance of unity....
then its game-over
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western, if we are the cause of your problems then you are stupid for letting us out smart you. All the more reason for having women take over in Muslim nations.
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Hore: "western, if we are the cause of your problems then you are stupid for letting us out smart you. All the more reason for having women take over in Muslim nations. "
indeed we are and have been stupid!
Ant: "So how come muslims themselves are not inspired by the modernity? " I have already explain or should i say Hore has... muslim are being deprived, and are being "split up from within" they are not smart aenough to realsise this...and its not jsut foriegn force...its the western ideolgy they are spreading across the Ummah, that muslim are not smart anought to realise what is happening! ....
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only your women can save you western. Better put on that burqua and hand it over to them or all is lost. You guys are just too dumb to solve the problems.
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Thats the wierdest Claim I ever heared, but its simply reflect the ignorence. Just to Ignore a 1000 civilization. the Civilization that established the foundation of all modern science ( Medicine, Surgery, Anatomy, Algebra ...) and the Binary system that base on the "Zero". which all of the elctronic and microchips, computers based on now simply because of the Muslim Scientist.
And learn from the western who apriciate the Islamic contribution to Humanit like:
George Sarton's Tribute to Muslim Scientists in the "Introduction to the History of Science," I
"It will suffice here to evoke a few glorious names without contemporary equivalents in the West: Jabir ibn Haiyan, al-Kindi, al-Khwarizmi, al-Fargani, al-Razi, Thabit ibn Qurra, al-Battani, Hunain ibn Ishaq, al-Farabi, Ibrahim ibn Sinan, al-Masudi, al-Tabari, Abul Wafa, 'Ali ibn Abbas, Abul Qasim, Ibn al-Jazzar, al-Biruni, Ibn Sina, Ibn Yunus, al-Kashi, Ibn al-Haitham, 'Ali Ibn 'Isa al-Ghazali, al-zarqab, Omar Khayyam. A magnificent array of names which it would not be difficult to extend. If anyone tells you that the Middle Ages were scientifically sterile, just quote these men to him, all of whom flourished within a short period, 750 to 1100 A.D."
John William Draper in the "Intellectual Development of Europe"
"I have to deplore the systematic manner in which the literature of Europe has continued to put out of sight our obligations to the Muhammadans. Surely they cannot be much longer hidden. Injustice founded on religious rancour and national conceit cannot be perpetuated forever. The Arab has left his intellectual impress on Europe. He has indelibly written it on the heavens as any one may see who reads the names of the stars on a common celestial globe."
Arnold and Guillaume in "Lagacy of Islam" on Islamic science and medicine
"Looking back we may say that Islamic medicine and science reflected the light of the Hellenic sun, when its day had fled, and that they shone like a moon, illuminating the darkest night of the European middle Ages; that some bright stars lent their own light, and that moon and stars alike faded at the dawn of a new day - the Renaissance. Since they had their share in the direction and introduction of that great movement, it may reasonably be claimed that they are with us yet."
Robert Briffault in the "Making of Humanity"
"It was under the influence of the arabs and Moorish revival of culture and not in the 15th century, that a real renaissance took place. Spain, not Italy, was the cradle of the rebirth of Europe. After steadily sinking lower and lower into barbarism, it had reached the darkest depths of ignorance and degradation when cities of the Saracenic world, Baghdad, Cairo, Cordova, and Toledo, were growing centers of civilization and intellectual activity. It was there that the new life arose which was to grow into new phase of human evolution. From the time when the influence of their culture made itself felt, began the stirring of new life. "It was under their successors at Oxford School (that is, successors to the Muslims of Spain) that Roger Bacon learned Arabic and Arabic Sciences. Neither Roger Bacon nor later namesake has any title to be credited with having introduced the experimental method. Roger Bacon was no more than one of apostles of Muslim Science and Method to Christian Europe; and he never wearied of declaring that knowledge of Arabic and Arabic Sciences was for his contemporaries the only way to true knowledge. Discussion as to who was the originator of the experimental method....are part of the colossal misinterpretation of the origins of European civilization. The experimental method of Arabs was by Bacon's time widespread and eagerly cultivated throughout Europe.
"Science is the most momentous contribution of Arab civilization to the modern world; but its fruits were slow in ripening. Not until long after Moorish culture had sunk back into darkness did the giant, which it had given birth to, rise in his might. It was not science only which brought Europe back to life. Other and manifold influence from the civilization of Islam communicated its first glow to European Life.
"For Although there is not a single aspect of European growth in which the decisive influence of Islamic Culture is not traceable, nowhere is it so clear and momentous as in the genesis of that power which constitutes the permanent distinctive force of the modern world, and the supreme source of its victory, natural science and the scientific spirit.
"The debt of our science to that of the Arabs does not consist in startling discoveries or revolutionary theories, science owes a great deal more to Arab culture, it owes its existence. The Astronomy and Mathematics of the Greeks were a foreign importation never thoroughly acclimatized in Greek culture. The Greeks systematized, generalized and theorized, but the patient ways of investigation, the accumulation of positive knowledge, the minute method of science, detailed and prolonged observation and experimental inquiry were altogether alien to the Greek temperament. Only in Hellenistic Alexandria was any approach to scientific work conducted in the ancient classical world. What we call science arose in Europe as a result of new spirit of enquiry, of new methods of experiment, observation, measurement, of the development of mathematics, in a form unknown to the Greeks. That spirit and those methods were introduced into the European world by the Arabs.
"It is highly probable that but for the Arabs, modern European civilization would never have arisen at all; it is absolutely certain that but for them, it would not have assumed that character which has enabled it to transcend all previous phases of evolution."
These are the Muslims. My advice to you, is to stop reading or hearing for people who just hate and down grade Islam. There is a lot resources, unbiased, rational who you can get realistic and logical and accurate informations.
BTW, tell me, whats wrong with all of these poor chrestian countries in Africa, Latin America, Eastern Europe?
And from you posts, do you think that women produce less than man ?
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The math system you speak of elkadi was developed in India. we did get the system from Islamic scholars but they did not originate it. Besides, that was cenyuries ago....Muslim men have failed to adjust their society to the modern world. The women simply could not do worse.
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I would not call it a debt western. Islam was responsible for transmitting an advanced mathmatical system from India and for preserving the writings of the ancient Greeks. Even so, that was a thousand years ago, you guys have turned into goofballs who cannot even defend yourself. Seriously, I think arab women are smarter than you guys. In the modern world they will make much better rulers.
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It was not Islam that “preserved” the works of Socrates, Plato or Aristotle. If anything the works of these philosophers were studied by Middle Eastern thinkers who happened to have Islamic names. Al Ghazali who was a true Muslim believer did not want to have anything to do with these philosophers. Those great luminaries, mostly Persians, who were the authors of great achievement in these sciences were not believers in Islam. They were heretics. They ridiculed Islam and the foolish belief of the masses of Muslims.
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Yes, and the Islamic clerics began to crack down on thes once it became clear that ideas such as 'reason' were involved in these texts. Good points xx.
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Muslim science was borrowed at first from others. Quoting Turkish writer Turgut Özal on an official Turkish government website: The scholars of Islam contented themselves initially with translating and interpreting the works of the Hellenistic period, hence their philosophy was at first scarcely original. Later, however, the numerous translations under- taken at the beginning of the Abbasid period (ninth century) provoked an expansion of thought...
When Muslims began to learn of the real world and science via the Greeks, Hindus, etc. something very close to Deism began to emerge as many began to place reason over revelation. When Jewish, Christian, and Persian works became well known, serious questions on the Quran were asked. When Islamic countries were glorious there was an unrepeated level of secularism and tolerance among the(Abbasid) rulers. This allowed the great minds like ArRazi, In Sina, Ib Rushd, Khayyam and others to be critical of Islam. These luminaries were harassed yet there was enough freedom of thoughts that they could denounce Islam and not be executed. If it conflicts with Islam, it will not be tolerated. When Islam went fundamentalist in the 12-13th centuries, Islamic science died. That is why the Muslim world today is the most backward in the world. Even with Muslims attending Western universities, they still fall behind because Islam (or any other revealed religion) destroys the ability to think freely and innovate. The want the weapons, technology and wealth the West has, they don't want the culture that makes it possible. Freedom and reason are death to mindless fundamentalist' religion. This alwasy happens when fundamentalism come back. Look at Turkey... Ata Turk secularized Turkey, but today the fundamentalists are trying to reverse his reforms. Reza Shah of Iran 70 years ago also curtailed Islam, but 50 years later the fundamentalism destroyed that land.
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Zakariya ar Razi (865-925) for example, perhaps the greatest mind of the Islamic golden age was not sympathetic towards Islam at all. Here are his audacious thoughts on religion:
“All men are by nature equal and equally endowed with the faculty of reason that must not be disparaged in favour of blind faith; reason further enables men to perceive scientific truths in an immediate way. The prophets—these billy goats with long beards, as Ar Razi disdainfully describes them—cannot claim any intellectual or spiritual superiority. These billy goats pretend to come with a message from God, all the while exhausting themselves in spouting their lies, and imposing on the masses blind obedience to the "words of the master." The miracles of the prophets are impostures, based on trickery, or the stories regarding them are lies. The falseness of what all the prophets say is evident in the fact that they contradict one another: one affirms what the other denies, and yet each claims to be the sole depository of the truth; thus the New Testament contradicts the Torah, the Koran the New Testament. As for the Koran, it is but an assorted mixture of ‘absurd and inconsistent fables,’ which has ridiculously been judged inimitable, when, in fact, its language, style, and its much-vaunted ‘eloquence’ are far from being faultless. Custom, tradition, and intellectual laziness lead men to follow their religious leaders blindly. Religions have been the sole cause of the bloody wars that have ravaged mankind. Religions have also been resolutely hostile to philosophical speculation and to scientific research. The so-called holy scriptures are worthless and have done more harm than good, whereas the writings of the ancients like Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, and Hippocrates have rendered much greater service to humanity.”
“The people who gather round the religious leaders are either feeble-minded, or they are women and adolescents. Religion stifles truth and fosters enmity. If a book in itself constitutes a demonstration that it is true revelation, the treatises of geometry, astronomy, medicine and logic can justify such a claim much better than the Quran”
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Rumi had the discernment to discard the evil teachings of Islam and select what he though to be good. He wrote:
From the Quran we picked the meat For the donkeys left the shell to eat
By shell he meant all the violence of the Quran. But not everyone has the discernment of Rumi to distinguish what part of the Quran is meat and what part is shell.. Some pick the violent teachings of the Quran and become terrorists. This disqualifies the Quran as a book of guidance. Paradoxically, Rumi did more harm to humanity than good by sustaining the lie of Islam.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: only your women can save you western. Better put on that burqua and hand it over to them or all is lost. You guys are just too dumb to solve the problems.
i agree 100 percent
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They have even lost their military ability. Their armies get run over everytime someone shows up. This is a culture that is out of gas and only the women will revive it.
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This has nothing to do with Islam. Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Confucian, Atheist and Animist men have all had their turn to run socieites and all failed miserably. What's the common denominator... MEN. If women had power, there would be 90% less crime, fewer (maybe no) wars and much more humane societies.
Horemheb, time to reverse roles...please stay at home, shut up and let your wife do the talking!
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: only your women can save you western. Better put on that burqua and hand it over to them or all is lost. You guys are just too dumb to solve the problems.
i agree 100 percent
you would woulnt you....you didnt even have to type "u agree"
just making ur mere presence here shows that u agree
or better, if hore writes it, you agree ! save ur energy else where...ike googling keywords article for XX Posts: 2457 | From: U | Registered: Jun 2005
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The fact is that we have to judge what we see with no excuses. The mideast is mired in poverety, thats just a fact and muslim men are running things...this cannot be denied. Obviously they lack in ability to defend themselves from a military standpoint, that is clear, they lose everytime they fight. It is time to turn there societies over to the women, they simply cannot do any worse.
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The new law should require ALL men to work in the home, women run both the government and military and hold all important religious positions. We'll see how it works.
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can we discuss further on the muslim women thread?
sorry Hore.... thought the link might be usefull! here... have your thread back now!!!
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