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Quran, in Arabic, could only have been written by ONE of 3 possible sources:
1 the Arabs
2 Mohammad (peace be upon him)
3 Allah (GOD)
(NOTE: The first part is not meant to be a rigorous proof. It is something to ponder upon. However, the second part, about Mohammad [pbuh] wrote it' contains more extensive proof.)
Besides the above mentioned sources, Quran couldn't possibly have been written by ANYONE else.
No other source is possible, because Quran is written in pure, rich, and poetic Arabic, which was not known to anyone other than the above mentioned sources, at that time. The Arabic language was at its peak in expression, richness, vocabulary, artistic, and poetic value during the time the Quran was being revealed. Anyone speaking the classical Arabic ( the Arabic of Quran at the time it was revealed) would argue that a non-Arab entity couldn't possibly have written such an extensive and brilliant piece of literature in the Arabic language. Quran could only have been written by an Arabic speaking entity. An entity, who's knowledge, style, vocabulary, grammar, and way of expression was so powerful that it impacted the entire Arabian peninsula, the east, the west, and continues to impact people all over the globe today!
At no other time, in the history of Arabic language, had it ever achieved its peak in expression, literature, and development, than the time of Arabia during the 6th Century, the time when Quran was being revealed. At no other time in the history of Arabic language had the language ever achieved its highest potential than the time of Arabia during the 6th Century, the time when Quran was being revealed. The language reached its peak in richness, artistic value, and poetry, during that time. With the Arabic language at its peak, and the best of Arabic writers, poets present in Arabia, it is impossible that a non-Arabic speaking entity would write a book like Quran and have such a dynamite impact on the Arabs!
So only an Arabic speaking entity could have write Quran. With that in mind, we're left with three choies:
1 - the Arabs wrote it
2 - Mohammad (pbuh) wrote it
3 - Allah (swt) wrote it
Lets examine the three choces one by one.
(1) Arabs Wrote it ? ---------------------
What Quran teaches goes DIRECTLY against the pagan Arab culture, religion, and gods, that existed before the Quran was revealed. Quran condemns idol worshipping, but the Arabs, loved their idol gods, and worshipped them regularly. Quran raised the status of women; the Arabs treated women next to animals. The Arabs would never write something that goes against their most important belief of idol worshipping. Quran goes against most of the social habbits (such as backbiting, slandering, name calling, etc) which the Arabs were heavily indulged into. For example, the Arabs would call insulting nicknames such as Abu Jahal (the father of ignorance). Quran condemns and prohibits taking interest on money, whereas, the Arabs freely levied heavy interest rates in loans and businesses. Quran condemns and prohibits Alcohol drinking, whereas, the Arabs consumed alcohol freely. The Quran condemns and prohibits gambling, whereas, the Arabs were some of the worst gamblers. The Arabs would never write something so comprehensively against just about all of their customs and culture and religious beliefs, as the Quran is.
During the time of the Holy Prophet (pbuh), the Arabs would indulge in all the social habbits that the Quran condemns and prohibits. How can Arabs then write something that would negate their entire society's norms and ideologies ?
Did a group of Arabs or an individual Arab write Quran? Perhaps a rebel Arab beduoin, or a society's misfit, or someone with different ideals and norms decided one day to write Quran? The answer to those questions are also 'no'. Because, if we read Quran, we notice that there is no author ! No individual has his/her name written on the cover of Quran! Anytime an individual writes a book, he/she writes his/her name on the cover. The author's name always appears on his/her book, and there is always an author who is credited for writing that book. No one in the history of the world has EVER claimed to have written the Quran, nor anyone's name ever appeared in front of the Quran as bein the 'author'. This is the only book in the world without an author. No one in the world has ever been accused of writing the Holy Quran, except the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), by non-muslims.
Quran has no author, and no group or individual in Arabia ever claimed to have written it, nor any group or an indvidual recited, taught, and explained Quran except the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and his followers. The Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) was the only Arabian who first practiced, explained, and preached Quran, and ended up making a lot of Arab tribes enemies. Any historian, Muslim or non-Muslim would argue that the only possible source of Quran can be the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), the man responsible to recite it, teach it, and expalin it to the people of Arabia. In fact, many historians today still think that only Mohammad (pbuh) could possibly have written it.
This leads one to conclude that the Prophet (pbuh) must have written it !
(2) Mohammad (pbuh) wrote it ? ------------------------------
First, he was illiterate !! How can an illiterate person come up with such a rich, poetic, intellectual, and inspiring text that it rocked the entire Arabia ?
Mohammad (pbuh) never went to school ! No one taught him. He had no teacher of any kind in any subjects. How can he have the knowledge of all the science, astronomy, oceanography, etc that is contained in the Quran ? ( For example, the mention of ocean currents, stars, earth, moon, sun and their fixed paths in Soorah Rahman; and many other scientific statements that are found in Quran, that I cannot state in this short article)
When Quran was revealed, the Arabic language was at its peak in richness, poetic value, literature, etc. Quran came and challenged the best literature in Arabic, the best poetry in Arabic of the time. Mohammad (pbuh) being illiterate couldnt possibly have come up with something so immaculate that it even exceded the best of poetry, and literature in Arabic at the time of the language's PEAK development. Arabic language had never been so rich in expression, poetic value, vocabulary, and variety in literature, as it was in the time of Quran. At a time like this, Quran came and exceeded the best of Arabic in all aspects of the language: poetry, literature, expression, etc. Any classical Arabic speaker would appreciate the unbeatten, unchallenged, and unmatched beauty of the language of Quran.
An illiterate man is simply not capable of writing such a book.
Mohammad (pbuh) had no reason to come up with something like Quran, and cause the entire society of Arabia to become his enemy. Why would he do something like that? Why would he write something going against almost all of the norms of the society, and lose his family, relatives, friends, and other loved ones , and not to mention all the wealth he lost ?
Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years ! A very long time! Is it possible for someone to maintain the same exact style of Arabic speech , as demonstrated in Quran, for over 23 years ?
Also, what the prophet Mohammad (saaw) used to say is recorded in what we call his hadeeth (sunnah). If we look at the Arabic style of the hadeeth, and compare it with the style of Quran, we can clearly see that they are clearly DIFFERENT, and DISTINGUISHABLE Arabic styles. The prophet (saaw) spoke in public. It does not make sense that a man has two UNIQUE, Distinguishable, and completely different styles of speech in public. Yet another reason why Mohammad (saaw) couldn't possibly have written Quran.
Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years ! A very long time! Is it possible for someone to maintain the same exact style of Arabic speech , as demonstrated in Quran over 23 years ?
WAS QURAN WRITTEN OR INSPIRED? "Behold! The angels said: "O Mary! God has chosen you and purified you - Chosen you above the women of all nations." Qur'an-3:42
THE SOURCE OF HIS MESSAGE
"Chosen you above the women of all nations." Such an honour is not to be found given to Mary even in the Christian Bible! ........... Knowing full-well, and believing as we do, that the whole Quran is the veritable Word of God, we will nevertheless agree, for the sake of argument, with the enemies of Muhammed (pbuh) for a moment, that he wrote it. We can now expect some cooperation from the unbeliever.
Ask him, "Have you any qualms in agreeing that Muhammed (pbuh) was an Arab?" Only an opinionated fool will hesitate to agree. In that case there is no sense in pursuing any discussion. Cut short the talk. Close the book!
With the man of reason, we proceed. "That this Arab, in the first instance, was addressing other Arabs. He was not talking to Indian Muslims, Chinese Muslims, or Nigerian Muslims. He was addressing his own people - the Arabs. Whether they agreed with him or not, he told them in the most sublime form - words that were seared into the hearts and minds of his listeners that Mary the mother of Jesus -A JEWESS- was chosen above the women of all nations. Not his own mother, nor his wife nor his daughter, nor any other Arab woman, but a Jewess! Can one explain this? Because to everyone his own mother or wife, or daughter would come before other women.
Why would the Prophet of Islam honour a woman from his opposition! and a Jewess at that! belonging to a race which had been looking down upon his people for three thousand years? Just as they still look down upon their Arab brethren today.
SARAH AND HAGAR
The Jews get their cock-eyed racism from their Holy Bible, where they are told their father, Abraham, had two wives -Sarah and Hagar. They say that they are the children of Abraham through Sarah, his legitimate wife; that their Arab brethren have descended through Hagar, a "bondwoman", and that as such, the Arabs are inferior breed.
Will anyone please explain the anomaly as to why Muhammed (pbuh) (if he is the author) chose this Jewess for such honour? The answer is simple - HE HAD NO CHOICE - he had no right to speak of his own desire. "IT IS NO LESS THAN AN INSPIRATION SENT DOWN TO HIM." (Qur'an, 53:4).
SURA MARYAM
There is a Chapter in the Holy Quran, named Sura Maryam "Chapter Mary" (XIX) named in honour of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ (pbuh); again, such an honour is not to be found given to Mary in the Christian Bible. Out of the 66 books of the Protestants and 73 of the Roman Catholics, not one is named after Mary or her son. You will find books named after Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul and two score more obscure names, but not a single one is that of Jesus or Mary!
If Muhammed (pbuh) was the author of the Holy Quran, then he would not have failed to include in it with MARYAM, the mother of Jesus, his own mother - AMINA, his dear wife - KHADIJA, or his beloved daughter - FATIMA. But No! No! this can never be. The Quran is not his handiwork
I was reading about the charge that the prophet, Mohammed (pbuh), has written the Quran himself. Before you go any further in reading this post, please ask yourself whether you are a honest truth seeker or just another argumentative person, if the former, continue, otherwise, save your time and jump to the next post.
Islam is based on faith that is supported by a number of strong miracles such as knowing what events to take place ahead of time or coming up with supernatural deeds in front of people. The holy Quran has these signs and much more. First, The holy Quran predicted many events to take place ahead of the time of the revelation of that verse; for example, predicting the destruction of Persian empire at a time where the later had a monumental victory over Rome. If the prophet, as some people claim, has written the Quran, then he would have put his future in real jeopardy (50% chance) since neither satellite photos nor on-ground intelligence personnel were available to him at the revelation time. Further, numerous details about many natural phenomena were detailed in the Quran and, until recently, they were proven by experts to be amazingly accurate. For example of the physical development of the fetus inside the womb along with timing given by many verses matches exactly what leading authorities in Embryology are claiming to be recent discoveries. Moreover, verses that gives descriptions about the creation of the universe and the function of mountains in balancing earth and many other descriptions/explanations are available to be read and to be understood. If the prophet was the author, wouldn't he be prone to make weak inferences similar to those who claim that earth is square and whoever says otherwise should be killed?
The prophet also has demonstrated many supernatural miracles not by his own power, but by the power of the creator. He went to Jerasalem back in one night and gave a detailed description of the carnival that was traveling on that route and also specific accedint happend to them at that noght (in those days, it takes a month or so for a round-trip). In another ocasion, he provided water for an entire army from a small plate between his hands. There are many other miracles that require serious truth seeker to read about and to think about it.
From the above, it reasonable to conclude that the Quran is not the PROPHET CREATION. HE HAD NO WAY TO PREDICT ALL THESE EVENTS AND TO BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN KNOWING THAT THE PROPHET HIMSELFE WAS ILLITERATE !!! -----------------------------
"The Qur'an describes not only the development of external form but emphasizes also the internal stages -- the stages inside the embryo of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.... If I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I know today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described. I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Mohammed had to be developing this information from some place, so I see nothing in conflict with the concept that Divine Intervention was involved...."
That leaves us to our third option: God wrote it !
May Allah Guide Us All to Straight Path. Ameen.
QURAN: Chapter 4, Verse 82:
"Do they not consider (ponder) on the Quran? If it had been from anyone except Allah, they would surely have found in it much discrepency (contradictions)."
ALLAH CHALLENGES:
Still unsure or doubtful ? Quran is the word of Allah. Allah challenges to His creations:
Chapter 2, Verses 23 & 24
2: 23. "And if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to our servant, Then produce a Chapter like thereunto; And call your witnesses or helpers besides Allah, If you are true."
2: 24. "But if you cannot, and surely you cannot, Then fear the fire Whose fuel is men and stones, Which is prepared for those who reject."
Try reading and understanding the meaning with explanation of the following verses also !
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its took me all day to read parts and look in there and in other scriptures can any one have answers to some of this whats ur theory
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Chimps I found the most wonderful website. 2 in fact. All the doubts and questions I was asking and never seemed to find an answer for were on these 2 sites. It worked for me. It is a different form of islam, it is radical, it is intelligent, and it has the ability to appeal to people of other faiths. It can bring islam back to power. It can revolutionise the faith. It is what moslems have been searching for , but were either to stupid, or too scared to search out. If Islam is to survive, and become great again, then the scholars must heed this message. But they wont!! and thats a fact and that is so sad. Many scholars cannot question themselves or their faith. Many have their own agendas. Many enjoy the power. These imams, and scholars will find it impossible to get through the gates. Educated moslems have formulated a plan, in plain english they explain what is wrong with Islam. Their aim is to restore it to what it used to be in the time of Mohammed pbuh. I dont mean by hadith!!!!! I mean by quran and nothing else. God/Allah sent a complete book. The moslems themselves have distorted the meanings. All the evidence is irrefutable, it has been sourced and fully researched. It just needs now for moslems to unlock the chains around their necks, and brains. It is particularly appealing to women. It is the way forward. It is the only way Islam can survive. It tells me what Mr egypt, and lazeez could not, and will certainly save them from the hell which awaits them, if only they had the intelligence to take it on board.
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8. ok, it was me. cant believe you all fell for it.
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Really Charm? Did you think it would become the best-seller that it is?? But can you get any royalties from it?
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no.. no royalties, but i did have the presence of mind to buy a large amount of brazilian rainforest before it went to press!
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quote:Originally posted by tootifrooti: ...and will certainly save them from the hell which awaits them, if only they had the intelligence to take it on board.
**** how do I get the ROFL smilies??? ****
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Well it looks like you have been doing a lot of research since you last posted on this part of the forum. Although it does seem that many people are becoming convinced by these new anti-hadith movements, as a non-Muslim who is still trying to learn the basics about Islam, can I suggest that at this stage, at the very beginning of your journey, you keep an open mind and don’t disregard and disrespect 1400 years of Islamic scholarship. Maybe they weren’t all wrong.
You say the evidence on the 2 sites you read is irrefutable...can I suggest that to maintain the academic quality of your research into Islamic thought that you should also read some of the refutations before you make that claim? I don’t mean refutations by us ES members, as we are just ordinary Muslims with a little knowledge, but refutations from a few of the Muslim scholars. I have found a few links to get you started.
You also said that the sites answered all your questions that people on ES couldn’t...did they tell you what happened on the day Jesus was said to have been crucified?
Btw. no one can predict whether any individual will be going to Hell or what will happen to them on Judgement Day...that is up to Allah alone to decide!
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1) Those who reject hadith only do so cause they are lazy and don't want to perform (insert random ritual/rule here)
I've found that most of us who do reject hadith only do so after years of reflection and sincere research/study to find the true deen. Not because we want to duck out of our duties but rather because we genuinely want to know what God wants of us. Far from taking the easy way out, this journey takes far more time/study/thought/reflection. Further, since we don't blindly imitate the scholars of the past, we have to "start fresh" for lack of a better phrase. For most of us, this takes a large paradigmatic shift in worldview and is anything but easy. We take nothing for granted and question everything. Again, none of this is easy or "lazy."
2) Those who reject hadith hate/disrespect the Prophet
You hear this quite often. If you reject hadith which are attributed to the Prophet, you hate him. You don't only hear it with the Prophet; they'll say things like, "Aisha related this hadith, do you hate Aisha too? Do you think Aisha was lying?" This is all besides the point. Quite simply, we say that these accounts were later created and attributed to the Prophet. This is simple history. This is human nature. Far from disrespecting the Prophet, we believe we are bringing the deen back to the way Muhammad/Abraham/Moses/Jesus/etc. practiced it. We believe following these man-made accounts that were related in his name is what disrespects the Prophet and paints him in a negative light.
3) Those who reject hadith simply don't know the real rules of Islam or have misunderstood what Islam is all about
I hear this a lot. Sunnis will assume those of us who reject hadith havent studied or simply speak from ignorance. They proudly show you verses like "Obey God and obey the Messenger" as if it's something we've never noticed.
4) Those who reject hadith are trying to imitate Western culture
This idea manifests itself in different ways and is a variation of the 1st point I made. They think you are trying to be lazy and take the easy way out, which they see as Western ideals. To them, its not possible that you may interpret the Qur'an differently after much study. To them, it MUST be that you're someone who is lazy and who is not pious/faithful enough to follow the myriad rules/rituals of the true Islam.
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Yet, because of their late dates, there is a growing concern in the West that much of the data which we possess on the life of Muhammad is perhaps erroneous, or has at least been embellished (Cook 1983:63). There simply are no documents which were written from the period of the prophet himself with which we can corroborate the historicity of the classical compilations. In fact the "oldest texts we have concerning the life of the Prophet go back to about 125 years after his death" (Rodinson 1996:xi). Consequently, the new research into Muhammad is focusing towards a more critical approach as researchers apply much the same historical/critical criteria earlier employed on the Bible. The resultant reaction from those in Islam has been understandably vociferous in its condemnation. A.L. Tabawi is probably symptomatic of this position, when he postulates that only those who are believers themselves have the right to critique a book of faith. Anyone else should, due to their bias, leave it alone (see Tabawi's "Second Critique" pp.5-8). Armstrong, Karen, Muhammad, A Western Attempt to Understand Islam, London, Victor Gollanca Ltd., 1992 Cook, Michael, Muhammad, Oxford, Oxford University Press, 1983 Rodinson, Maxine, Muhammad (2nd English Edition), London, Penguin Books, (1961) 1996
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quote:Originally posted by tootifrooti: Chimps I found the most wonderful website. 2 in fact. All the doubts and questions I was asking and never seemed to find an answer for were on these 2 sites. It worked for me. It is a different form of islam, it is radical, it is intelligent, and it has the ability to appeal to people of other faiths. It can bring islam back to power. It can revolutionise the faith. It is what moslems have been searching for , but were either to stupid, or too scared to search out.
With all my respect tooti few days ago you didn't believe in Quran to be the word of God. then you were looking for answeres to a specific question and you accepted no answer for it , though you are christian and the answer to your question doesn't exist in the Bible.
Then you found your way to accept/understand the Quran. Don't you think it's still too early for you to judge Islam as it is today? Then you called all Muslims when you said : but were either to stupid, or too scared to search out !! Only because YOU read a website?
quote: If Islam is to survive, and become great again, then the scholars must heed this message. But they wont!! and thats a fact and that is so sad. Many scholars cannot question themselves or their faith. Many have their own agendas. Many enjoy the power. These imams, and scholars will find it impossible to get through the gates. Educated moslems have formulated a plan, in plain english they explain what is wrong with Islam. Their aim is to restore it to what it used to be in the time of Mohammed pbuh. I dont mean by hadith!!!!! I mean by quran and nothing else. God/Allah sent a complete book. The moslems themselves have distorted the meanings. All the evidence is irrefutable, it has been sourced and fully researched. It just needs now for moslems to unlock the chains around their necks, and brains. It is particularly appealing to women. It is the way forward. It is the only way Islam can survive. It tells me what Mr egypt, and lazeez could not, and will certainly save them from the hell which awaits them, if only they had the intelligence to take it on board.
Assume a potential that is continuous everywhere. Classically, in a conservative system, if the energy of your particle is less than the potential energy, the particle will never be found there. It's a "classically forbidden" area.
In quantum mechanics, for various mathematical as well as physical reasons, the wave function for a particle must be continuous for such potentials, and therefore you get a particle that "leaks" into the classically forbidden area. In fact, if you have an INFINITE potential of finite length separating two areas (experimentally this would be approximated by, for example, an enormous electric field that is confined spacially), there is a nonzero chance that the particle will pop through that potential and end up on the other side. In the case of free particles with a potential, the decay is exponential, so as the distances grow large the probability drops, but tunneling is perfectly accounted for in conventional quantum mechanics.
I know that talking about Quantum Tunneling Mechanics has nothing to do with your post. but if you don't know quantum mechanics then how can you verify if what i'm telling is true or false? not to mention that you can't add or change scientific theories Only because you got excited after reading a very nice website ( similar and in regard to your claims against The prophet pbuh and hadith )
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then if your so passionate in what you have said instead of dissing her EDUCATE HER !!!!!you seem to across intelligent enough instead of the biggoty -------------------------------------- My advice for you is to read more and try to understand before you think about "revolutionise the faith" theory of yours.
there it is in black and white teach her....dont preach ...
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quote:Originally posted by PaReCeToMaL_SPEED2: then if your so passionate in what you have said instead of dissing her EDUCATE HER !!!!!you seem to across intelligent enough instead of the biggoty
i'm not against tooti in anyway. i'm just a reminder that you have to learn and read enough before you conclude
Forums are for discussing not for educating nor preaching.
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well then let me correct it then discuss it you was preaching read again to remind is to preach the question or the answer again ..you reach your limit with me ..how you answer that has an answer or preach cause you are actually doing it in a context thats is preachable we all do it actually ..doesnt have to be of THE MAN !!!!!now do i confuse you ,
reading threads these days feels like running down an alley littered with canine land mines.
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quote:Originally posted by tootifrooti: Chimps I found the most wonderful website. 2 in fact. All the doubts and questions I was asking and never seemed to find an answer for were on these 2 sites. It worked for me. It is a different form of islam, it is radical, it is intelligent, and it has the ability to appeal to people of other faiths. It can bring islam back to power. It can revolutionise the faith. It is what moslems have been searching for , but were either to stupid, or too scared to search out. If Islam is to survive, and become great again, then the scholars must heed this message. But they wont!! and thats a fact and that is so sad. Many scholars cannot question themselves or their faith. Many have their own agendas. Many enjoy the power. These imams, and scholars will find it impossible to get through the gates. Educated moslems have formulated a plan, in plain english they explain what is wrong with Islam. Their aim is to restore it to what it used to be in the time of Mohammed pbuh. I dont mean by hadith!!!!! I mean by quran and nothing else. God/Allah sent a complete book. The moslems themselves have distorted the meanings. All the evidence is irrefutable, it has been sourced and fully researched. It just needs now for moslems to unlock the chains around their necks, and brains. It is particularly appealing to women. It is the way forward. It is the only way Islam can survive. It tells me what Mr egypt, and lazeez could not, and will certainly save them from the hell which awaits them, if only they had the intelligence to take it on board.
Was it only me and Mr Egypt you rejected their answers? or was it every single Muslim on this board and every single answer you were given? it was the answer coming from your husband only that you accepted despite your earlier admission that it was similar to what some muslims already told you! but out of the sudden he found away to make his answer more convincing to you but you couldn't tell anyone about this way! must be very intimate ways!
Now why should we waste our time over you when the answer is their in your husband's bed only?. Today is thrusday in Egypt, tomorrow is a day off, you gonna have a long night and if your husband is so into Sunnah and does you a good job tonight you will probably be a sunni Muslim by tomorrow, or you may even wear Niqab as well pretty soon if he does the job perfectly! hopefully he's good and wont turn you back to Christianity. an erection problem - God forbid - might even send you long way back to atheism!
This seems to work better with you than having endless arguments with people around here when none of them can give you any oral explanation. I already told you, Muslims need more women who can think for themselves not through their husbands.
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Btw. no one can predict whether any individual will be going to Hell or what will happen to them on Judgement Day...that is up to Allah alone to decide!
may Allah bless you, you said what I wanted to say exactly
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