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Fopican, The same kinds of questions could be asked about islam. Some guy goes into a cave, comes home and tells his wife he was talking to an angel. thats all pure nonsense.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: Fopican, The same kinds of questions could be asked about islam. Some guy goes into a cave, comes home and tells his wife he was talking to an angel. thats all pure nonsense.
no this isnot non sense. prophet muhammed quran is a miracle. prophet muhammed was telling a scentific facts that is discovered now. no comparison. the quran did never changed and no once could change a letter in it. ALSO PROPHET MUHAMMED BELIEVES IN ALL PROPHETS INCLUDING JESUS AND BELIEVE IN ALL SACRED BOOKS. AND MUSLIMS DO AS PROPHET MUHAMMED
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I don't care what he says he believes...he was not talking to an angel. He was problably out partying around and came up with a wild story to pacify his wife....it happends all the time.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: I don't care what he says he believes...he was not talking to an angel. He was problably out partying around and came up with a wild story to pacify his wife....it happends all the time.
how did you know that?? are you making up stories and then believe in it?? do u have evidences or just you are writing anything.
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quote:how did you know that jesus is god or a son of god??
In John 8:58, Jesus said in answer to a question from the Jewis leaders of His day, “Most assuredly, I tell you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” This is one of the most powerful statements ever recorded of Jesus. Not only does He claim to be eternal (by claiming to have existed before a man born 2,000 years earlier), this is also a direct claim of deity. This is, in the original Greek, the same term God applied to Himself when speaking to Moses in Exodus 3:14.
If the linguistic evidence is not sufficient for you, consider that John goes on to describe in verse 59 that the Jewish leaders tried to stone Jesus for His statement. The only crime which the leaders could stone Jesus for would have been blasphemy. They certainly believed that Jesus’ statement was a claim of deity.
In John 17:5 Jesus is in the middle of a prayer to God the Father. He said, “Now, Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world existed.” Here, Jesus claims to have existed, with God the Father, before the world was even made.
In John 20:28, Thomas calls Jesus, “my Lord and my God!” In Matthew 22:43-45, Jesus quotes King David from the Old Testament calling Him Lord. In Revelation 19:16, Jesus is described as having the name King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
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quote:how did you knew that god is dividerd into 3??
The Trinity is one God, not 3 Gods. Augustine suggested an illustration of how God is both three and one at the same time. The Bible informs us that "God is love" (1 John 4:16). Love involves a lover, a beloved, and a spirit of love between lover and loved. The Father might be likened to the Lover; the Son to the One love, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of love. Yet love does not exist unless these three are united as one. This illustration has the advantage of being personal, since it involves love, a characteristic that flows only from persons."
The scriptures speak of God the Father who is the co-Creator with God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit; who blesses (Ephesians 1:3-4), initiates (John 17:2-9) and sends (John 17:3,18).
The scriptures also speak about God the Son, who speaks-out the creation (John 1:1), and acts into history, both during the time of the prophets (Genesis 32:25-30; Exodus 3:2-5; 13:21; 33:9-11; Judge 2:1), and later when He was physically incarnated as the saviour, the historical Jesus Christ (John 1:14).
And finally, the scriptures speak of God the Holy Spirit, who is resident within the disciple of Jesus Christ, who guides, instructs and empowers him (John 14:16-17), and who mediates Jesus Christ and His atoning work (John 15:26).
Jesus referred to this `Trinity in Unity' when He commanded His apostles to go everywhere and to persuade men to become His disciples, and to baptize believers "...in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19).
It is important that God as "Father" must not be viewed within a biological context. God as "Father" refers, rather, to a relationship; a description of the covenant and fellowship relationship between God and humanity.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: Fopican, The same kinds of questions could be asked about islam. Some guy goes into a cave, comes home and tells his wife he was talking to an angel. thats all pure nonsense.
no this isnot non sense. prophet muhammed quran is a miracle. prophet muhammed was telling a scentific facts that is discovered now. no comparison. the quran did never changed and no once could change a letter in it. ALSO PROPHET MUHAMMED BELIEVES IN ALL PROPHETS INCLUDING JESUS AND BELIEVE IN ALL SACRED BOOKS. AND MUSLIMS DO AS PROPHET MUHAMMED
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Take for instance prayer. Every time we worship and pray we experience the trinity. Paul says in Ephesians 2:18 that "through him [Jesus] we both have access to the Father by one Spirit". Through the mediation of the Son who died for us, by the one indwelling spirit who introduces us, we come in to the father's presence.
Even more important, every time we say the prayer we are Trinitarian. In Matthew 6:11-13 we read: "Our Father...give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts...but deliver us from the evil one". It is the Father who gives us our daily bread, yet the forgiveness of sins (or debt) is due to the work of Jesus Christ, while our deliverance from evil can only come about by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us. So we address all three when we pray this prayer. Our daily sustenance (our physical needs) comes from the Father. The forgiveness of our sins (our spiritual needs) is due to the work of Jesus on our behalf, and our deliverance from evil (our moral needs) is carried on by the continuing work of the Holy Spirit in our lives today.
Muslims state emphatically that Jesus was merely a human. The fact that God the Son, who is fully God, became a human being, and lived in all the limitations and restrictions of human life, finally dying a human death, in all the pain and suffering associated with crucifixion is too much for them to comprehend. How would the almighty God allow such a thing to happen?
This is not so much a question about Jesus, but about the very nature of God himself. Christians believe that God is totally free, All-powerful, and able to do anything He wants to do. The only thing impossible for God to do is to sin, because He has chosen a sinless nature. It is not, however, sinful to be a human being. For God to be a human being He must accept the limitations of human life, but He does not have to stop being God. When God the Son became a human being, according to Philippians 2, He changed from being in the form ("shape") of God and took the form ("shape") of a servant (i.e. a human being). One of the basic Christian teachings is that the greatest action a person can do is to serve others, even to the point of dying for them. This selflessness, humility and self-sacrificial love is at the very heart of the God who is trinity. God is so great that He humbled Himself and became a servant, washing the feet of His disciples. The Creator of the Universe showed His greatness in humility, service and love.
While that may sound threatening to a sceptic, the implications of that act alone are life-changing and eternal.
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quote:Originally posted by Horemheb: I don't care what he says he believes...he was not talking to an angel. He was problably out partying around and came up with a wild story to pacify his wife....it happends all the time.
if he ever existed in the first place.....
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quote:Originally posted by Fopcian: from which version are these verses ??
to what extent are these verses authetic??
authentically writen by MEN who thought another MAN was the son of god!
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Here is one that is good for the internet. It is believed by some scholars that the Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, got the entire Quran from an old Jewish sage that lived in a cave. He took the stories home and his wife wrote them up for him. Hmmm.....
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quote: who is updaing the bible?? how many version of bible is present??
Let's compare some other old documents. Most people have heard of Plato even if they have not read his writings. He lived and wrote around 400 B.C. The oldest copy of his work dates from 900 A.D. which is a 1300 year gap after the original. Secondly only about 7 copies exist from this early period. The Annals of Tacitus were written between 55-120 A.D. and the earliest copy in existence was copied around 1100 A.D. which yeilds a gap of 1000 years. There are, more or less, 20 ancient copies of his work.
Most ancient writings have similar figures—anywhere from a 750-1500 year gap between the life of the author and the nearest copy and usually only 5-20 copies of the oldest manuscripts.
Now let's compare these to the Bible. The New Testament which records the life of Christ, was written between 50 and 90 A.D. Fragments of the New Testament writings exist from as early as 114 A.D., entire books from 200 A.D., near complete New Testaments from 250 A.D., and copies of the entire New Testament from 350 A.D. This gap of time is only from 30 to 225 years. But the remarkable thing is that we have over 5,300 copies of these ancient manuscripts. Comparing these ancient manuscripts with our translations today we discover that the Bible is 99.9% accurate. The .1% discrepancies are variations in spelling, grammar, or word order. The amount of ancient data supporting the reliability of the Bible is vastly greater than any other ancient book.
Another interesting point is this. Even if we had no early manuscripts of the Bible we could reassemble its contents from the writings of Christian teachers from the first four centuries. In the writings of the early "church fathers" such as Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and others we have direct quotes of every verse in the New Testament (over 36,000) except 11. For example, Eusbius, a Christian historian from the third century quotes 3,258 verses from the gospels in his writings. He quotes 1,592 verses from Paul's letters. You can be assured that what we are reading in the Bible today is identical in content to that which was written and completed over 2000 years ago.
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Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Is Jesus actually teaching people not to praise him more than a human being deserves to be praised? Well, let us see what Jesus actually says:
"For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, in order that all may honor the Son, EVEN AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him." John 5:22-23
Jesus doesn't say to honor him as a great religious figure or prophet. Rather, he demands to be given the very same honor that the Father receives. The way believers honor the Father is to both worship him and make supplications to him. Amazingly, we find Jesus requesting that prayers be made directly to him:
"And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask ME anything in My name, I will do it." John 14:13-14
For Jesus to be able to hear and grant the request of prayers offered directly to him implies that he is both omniscient and omnipotent. Since these are qualities that are true only of God, this indicates that Jesus is God.
Furthermore, Jesus does not say "I am not good, only God is good." Rather, he asks the rich man, "Why do you call me good?" The purpose behind this was to make the rich man aware of the implications of calling Jesus good. To call Jesus good is to make him God since only God is absolutely good. If the rich man really believed this, he should be willing to abandon everything, including his riches, for Jesus. This is precisely what Jesus goes on to say:
"And looking at him, Jesus felt love for him, and said to him, `One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, FOLLOW ME." Mark 10:21
Jesus demands a devotion that is to be given solely to God. It should be stated that this request from Jesus was made right after the man had indicated his total devotion to the Mosaic law. For Jesus to then come back and demand that the man should abandon all he has and follow him is either blasphemous, or affirms that Jesus believed that he was God.
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